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On a side note, I am working on a CD for my friend and HE500 isn't worth a damn when used for mixing and mastering.  Every mix, every mastering preset I have thrown at it, all sound decent.  Then the same mix sounds half - a** somewhere else.  This darn headphones have built in auto mastering/mixing or something.  It's really forgiving and makes things sound better than they are sometimes.  :D I got to whip out my Q701 to dial in these initial mixes.

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On a side note, I am working on a CD for my friend and HE500 isn't worth a damn when used for mixing and mastering.  Every mix, every mastering preset I have thrown at it, all sound decent.  Then the same mix sounds half - a** somewhere else.  This darn headphones have built in auto mastering/mixing or something.  It's really forgiving and makes things sound better than they are sometimes.  :D I got to whip out my Q701 to dial in these initial mixes.

 

LOL yeah. I had to find that out for myself. Soundscaping is hard with HE-500. Although I find headphones in general are not suited for mixing and mastering. For monitoring purposes, headphones are great though. I find the Audeze's to be better suited for studio use over HE-500.

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Does anyone have any info on how many different versions of the he-500 there are? What are the differences between them and how can you distinguish one from another?

 

i don't think there have been any official changes to the HE-500 itself. At one point, I think they did add more cushion to the headband but that's about it from my experience from the 2 HE-500 I owned. I don't think you'll be able to distinguish any difference between the HE-500's over the years. I have followed HE-500 since 2011 and I don't remember anything serious that a current prospect buyer should have to worry about. Don't know if that helps...

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

Amperex Orange globes are 50 dollar tubes, they sound decent, but far from "premium tubes".  I would call them an upgraded tube.

I loved my orange globes on the wa2, i wished i compared them to better tubes. But they where similar in sound quality as the bugle boys.

They had transparancy, warmth, prat, well balance and extension in both directions. Only downside to them could be that the treble could be a little smoother, though they very well balanced overall

Not premium but better than just decent. They beat the reflector 6n23p and the jan sylvania 7308 (by a little bit)
Edited by Dubstep Girl - 10/18/13 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

LOL yeah. I had to find that out for myself. Soundscaping is hard with HE-500. Although I find headphones in general are not suited for mixing and mastering. For monitoring purposes, headphones are great though. I find the Audeze's to be better suited for studio use over HE-500.
in my humble opinion: the hd800 is the most ruthless phone i know..and in so very suitable for monitoring and editing as it shows u everything..good second place is the older k701..with the fixed cables.. Thats an open window to music..and once considered one of the best heahphones money could buy..
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/18/13 at 4:44am
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i don't think there have been any official changes to the HE-500 itself. At one point, I think they did add more cushion to the headband but that's about it from my experience from the 2 HE-500 I owned. I don't think you'll be able to distinguish any difference between the HE-500's over the years. I have followed HE-500 since 2011 and I don't remember anything serious that a current prospect buyer should have to worry about. Don't know if that helps...

only differences i know of is the box in which its delivered..first luxury box then travelling box and now again luxury box.. WTF??? Lolz and the velourspads (once black) has been changed to a more stiffer and deeper (more greyish)fabric.. i preferred the first version though..soundwise..but latter is more confortable..for the rest no cganges as far i know.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/18/13 at 4:45am
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Are you two sure the 500 and lcd2 weren't kicked out of summit-fi because of the he6 and lcd3 coming out? I don't see anything wrong with people buying less expensive amps if they sound great especially since I've read countless times how some of them "sound better than $1000+ amps"

But if summit-fi is only about dollars spent and not sound, then yeah these threads don't belong there. I just don't like the idea of elitists needing their own section where only TOTL amps and DACs can be discussed.
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post

Are you two sure the 500 and lcd2 weren't kicked out of summit-fi because of the he6 and lcd3 coming out? I don't see anything wrong with people buying less expensive amps if they sound great especially since I've read countless times how some of them "sound better than $1000+ amps"

But if summit-fi is only about dollars spent and not sound, then yeah these threads don't belong there. I just don't like the idea of elitists needing their own section where only TOTL amps and DACs can be discussed.
the he500 was actually introduced later then the he6..and priced 899usd..many sold their he6 in favor of the new he500 in the beginning of the he500.thats why its rumored hifiman lowered the price of the be500 to 699usd...that he6 is almost a dinosaurus in headphone years.. lolz

but i agree..summit hifi should have been bout soundquality and not price.. But unfortunately thats life here on headfi redface.gif i consider the he500 for sure under the summit fi headphones soundwise when paired with the right components..i have a feeling lots of us dont have a clue how good the he500 really is until u get ur hands on THAT special amp that makes te he500 shine... Of Those who have even prefer the he500 OVER the he6 or lcd 2.2.. As its just so balanced..Just saying
About people saying budget amps sounds better then their budget ones..well..its not about money what counts..if u have a multi thousand amp that just dont pair well with ur can then a budget version will maybe sound better then that expensive one...but dont forget also..some people just lie about it to make it as if their amp is actually their endgame amp... But most times its because people only look at prices and not at the synergy between the headphone and ur amp..and dont forget ur dac! As that one can severely damage ur soundquality if it doesnt pair well with the rest of ur rig... For example..if u have a very detaily dac ( like the mytek DSG has) and u pair it to a very bright also very detaily amp andpair that to a bright detaily phone..it could be to much! If u only have darksounding components in ur rig it will maybe be to muc to the other side also... Sometimes u canlevel it out a bit with ur choose of cabling..silver tends to be abit brghter then ur average copper cable for insance...etc.etc... Its all about the synergy in ur rig what makes or breaks ur sound quality... Find the right balance..heaven.. If not.. No matter how much money u spenh..it still will sound not on its best! Imho ofcourse
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/18/13 at 4:56am
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U dont need to spend more then1000usd on an amp to make the he500 sing...a few posts back i posted a short list..and am sure some of them are far under 1000usd...

 

 I noticed you did not list the HiFiMAN EF-5 there.

 Have you had the chance to audition it? What do you tihink about it? It is priced well lower than the amps in your list.

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 I noticed you did not list the HiFiMAN EF-5 there.
 Have you had the chance to audition it? What do you tihink about it? It is priced well lower than the amps in your list.
As i stated..there are more amps able to drive the he500.. I only stated the ones i auditioned/owned and loved with the he500...otherwise it would be not fair...imho

No am sorry but i didnt had the chance to audition it..some say it does well..others it dont.. Officially hifiman made that amp to drive the he500 if i recall it correctly..

Funny is that when i was shopping to upgrade from my mstage last year i was looking for a ef5 to be honest..i loved the dual case config..and a friend of mine had one and loved (and still does!!) his EF5 with the he500 he has...

But when i by accident stumbled upon the unknown (and seen rarely in the wild.lolz) and in so a bit unloved 337.. Well we all know what happened next.. wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/18/13 at 4:40am
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As i stated..there are more amps able to drive the he500.. And No am sorry but i didnt had the chance to audition it..some say it does well..others it dont.. Officially hifiman made that amp to drive the he500 if i recall it correctly..

Funny is that when i was shopping to upgrade from my mstage last year i was looking for a ef5 to be honest..i loved the dual case config..and a friend of mine had one and loved (and still does!!) his EF5 with the he500 he has...

But when i by accident stumbled upon the unknown and in so a bit unloved 337.. Well we all know what happened next.. wink.gif

 

Thanks for your considerations!

 

Well, I bought a EF-5 and sounds amazing to me when paired with the HE-500.But I have not heard any of the amps in your list, unfortunately.

 

When deciding which amp to buy I was between the WooAudio WA6, WA7, Burson HA160 and the HiFiMAN EF-5. So, I read reviews and contacted several resellers from WooAudio, Burson and HiFiMAN. Funny thing is two or three said: "For driving the HE-500 properly we recommend you get the EF-5. These models from Woo Audio and Burson are lower performers than the HiFiMAN one".

 

I also have a Matrix Cube and even though it also drives the HE-500 (quite louder than the EF-5 to be honest), sound quality is simply not comparable.

I have done A/B testing using the HE-500 and a Earsonics SM64 v2 and in both cases the sound from the EF-5 was MUCH more detailed in mid and high frequencies. Instrument separation and soundstage are also on another, higher, level.

When using the Matrix Cube the bass is stronger but much less defined, somewhat blurry/muddy. Sounds like big undefined "booms" as in cheap closed headphones. (ok, not that bad but you get the idea...)

 

Considering you can quite easily find the EF-5 priced at US$399, I think it is a pretty good option!

 

But if you plan on buying more demanding headphones, I would stick to your list of amps recommended. I must turn the volume knob to around 40%-50% to reach a very good volume level on the HE-500s.

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Originally Posted by themad View Post

Thanks for your considerations!

Well, I bought a EF-5 and sounds amazing to me when paired with the HE-500.But I have not heard any of the amps in your list, unfortunately.

When deciding which amp to buy I was between the WooAudio WA6, WA7, Burson HA160 and the HiFiMAN EF-5. So, I read reviews and contacted several resellers from WooAudio, Burson and HiFiMAN. Funny thing is two or three said: "For driving the HE-500 properly we recommend you get the EF-5. These models from Woo Audio and Burson are lower performers than the HiFiMAN one".

I also have a Matrix Cube and even though it also drives the HE-500 (quite louder than the EF-5 to be honest), sound quality is simply not comparable.
I have done A/B testing using the HE-500 and a Earsonics SM64 v2 and in both cases the sound from the EF-5 was MUCH more detailed in mid and high frequencies. Instrument separation and soundstage are also on another, higher, level.
When using the Matrix Cube the bass is stronger but much less defined, somewhat blurry/muddy. Sounds like big undefined "booms" as in cheap closed headphones. (ok, not that bad but you get the idea...)

Considering you can quite easily find the EF-5 priced at US$399, I think it is a pretty good option!

But if you plan on buying more demanding headphones, I would stick to your list of amps recommended. I must turn the volume knob to around 40%-50% to reach a very good volume level on the HE-500s.
I listened to the wa6 and most of bursons models (a audio friend is dealer for them in holland)..including the ha160.. And i didnt like the pairing with the he500.. I am guessing its because of the lack in power.. Cant explain it otherwise as both come from good brands..in in that light the ef5 comes on top soundwise..

..the 'new' square blocked wa7 is a questionmark... With many pro and contra camps...Never listened to one..but i understand wooaudio upgraded it very recently with a tube psu!..maybe to make it more compatible with planars?
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I listened to the wa6 and most of bursons models (a audio friend is dealer for them in holland)..including the ha160.. And i didnt like the pairing with the he500.. I am guessing its because of the lack in power.. Cant explain it otherwise as both come from good brands..in in that light the ef5 comes on top soundwise..

..the 'new' square blocked wa7 is a questionmark... With many pro and contra camps...Never listened to one..but i understand wooaudio upgraded it very recently with a tube psu!..maybe to make it more compatible with planars?

What didn't you like about the Soloist driving the HE-500?
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What didn't you like about the Soloist driving the HE-500?
Midrange was lacking compared to my 337 and i found the treble a bit on the raw side....it was not about power orcontrol..as he has that in abundant..and bass was very good and powerful.. But as i stated.. I didnt say i hated it with the he500... I just didnt find it the right pair..some will like the soundsignature...like u do.. Its personal..as always..
But it looks very sexy..all metal with the brushed look front..very classy
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/18/13 at 5:35am
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Midrange was lacking compared to my 337 and i found the treble a bit on the raw side....it was not about power orcontrol..as he has that in abundant..and bass was very good and powerful.. But as i stated.. I didnt say i hated it with the he500... I just didnt find it the right pair..some will like the soundsignature...like u do.. Its personal..as always..
But it looks very sexy..all metal with the brushed look front..very classy

I've read conflicting reports. Some say that the Soloist is the best with the HE-500 while others say it's good but not great. I'm wondering if they're the kind of cans that benefit from some coloration from the amp. I'll report my findings once mine are delivered.

A lot of people don't like the Soloist with LCD-2 but I couldn't fault it at all.
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