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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

Have you tried the T-amps? If not you cannot knock them. Just because they have over blown their specs doesn't mean the amps don't have sufficient power or finess to drive the orthos. In fact IMO, they work so well they beat the pants off most dedicated headphone amps under $1k. You know in this hobby specs mean crap so why even state them.

Not necessarily.

post #8522 of 18030

The importance of specs are overrated but when a manufacturer admits THD numbers like those of the TD-2020 it makes me wonder what they really are.

 

I actually recommend a t-amp to my brother for his PC set-up a long time before they became fashionable.  I cant recall what model it is but its a well built and functional unit, similar in stature to the Topping and SMSL models.  Needless to say it sounds good at low volumes but when you ask it for some balls it gets weak at the knees.

 

I will ask him if i can borrow it for a couple of days and give my impressions.  For the benefit of the thread can we try to draw a distinction between good value for money and good at the job. :)

post #8523 of 18030
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

He's not wrong though. It's just that the T amps and new, small class D amps like the TDA7498E offer a lot of performance, in a small enclosure, for very cheap compared to most of what else is out there.  The Mini-X at $169 is a great deal too.

So if the T-amp has such a high THD at the claimed wattage, it can't sound good?

post #8524 of 18030
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

So if the T-amp has such a high THD at the claimed wattage, it can't sound good?

If it's mostly second harmonic it could still sound good i imagine.

post #8525 of 18030
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Originally Posted by DanPluck View Post
 

The importance of specs are overrated but when a manufacturer admits THD numbers like those of the TD-2020 it makes me wonder what they really are.

 

I actually recommend a t-amp to my brother for his PC set-up a long time before they became fashionable.  I cant recall what model it is but its a well built and functional unit, similar in stature to the Topping and SMSL models.  Needless to say it sounds good at low volumes but when you ask it for some balls it gets weak at the knees.

 

I will ask him if i can borrow it for a couple of days and give my impressions.  For the benefit of the thread can we try to draw a distinction between good value for money and good at the job. :)

OK I agree, they are good value. They are also good at driving high efficient speakers also

post #8526 of 18030
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Originally Posted by DanPluck View Post

I know numbers arent everything but the specifications of the TA-2020 chip are pretty horrible, cost aside.  To get a decent THD level at 38ohms you are only going to have about 1.5watts available to the HE500.  Granted its still a cheap way to get 1.5 watt.

My observations have been that you need at least 5 watts of clean, controlled power to get the best out of the HE500.
sorry my friend..but thats absolutely not true... power is not holy with the he500... i heard lots of amps expensive and more budget m9dels with my he500 and most drove the he500 well if they were around the 1watt into 50ohm..BUT that doesnt mean they all sound good wi5h the he500.. on contrary.. only a few i heard i would consider right pair with the he500... and most of them are above 1000usd..but as some of u know..i want best that the he500 can provide..am not looking in how cheap a he500 CAN be driven... i want best sound..period... and so should u if ur willing to spend 699usd/699eur/699gbp.. i always learned a amp has to be at least same price as ur speakers/headphones at least..but i know i am of a dying race here on headfi..reading bout using 20usd worth of amps on such a wonderful headphone.believe me i also started with a budget amp..but found out investing in ur amp does improve ur overal satisfsction in listening....but as i said..lately i only hear bout how u can drive ur cans with the cheapest amps u can get ur hands on... back in the days it was normal to drive a 900 headphone with a 2000usd amp..nowadays people who do that are afraid to post thst with the fear being cruzified by peeps here who swear on budget speakeramps... no respect sometimes.. oh well..everyone is allowed to their own opinion..am so glad that in a few months am not active on this thread anymore..lolz
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/16/13 at 3:16pm
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Edited by nicholars - 10/16/13 at 2:57pm
post #8528 of 18030
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Both.

When given the same EQ boost down low, the Lepai does have more impact over the same EQ boost on the Magni. I can assume that it comes from the extra power, maybe not, but its there. "Impact", the word, is subjective, as is any adjective you would use in describing audio.

My individual preference is for the low end EQ boost and a slight cut at 9k-10k. The HE-500 gets a little too bright at times for me driven directly with no EQ on either amp. The Magni also seems to make things slightly brighter, and it is not as appealing to me.

If people have issues with what I'm subjectively hearing on my audio chain, why not compare them for yourself and offer useful information instead of thread crapping and offering no experience of your own?
Ok I will, LINK ME TO THE LEPAI AND CABLE I NEED PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!!
post #8529 of 18030
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


Ok I will, LINK ME TO THE LEPAI AND CABLE I NEED PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!!

The "catch" to the cheap class-T amp like the Lepai is unless you can make your own custom cable or have someone do it for you, you'll end up spending at least $100-200 for recabling to 4 pin XLR from a commercial dealer. Or you would have to snip off the stock cable TRS plug and just connect the ends directly. That's because class-T amp cannot have a shared ground, and TRS plug means shared ground. At that price of recabling you might as well get the Emotiva ($169 right now) and spend another $10-20 for conversion cables from TRS-female to banana plugs.

 

Of course the whole shared ground thing not working with class-T is just literature I've read. I have not heard anyone doing it first-hand and reporting that their amp got fried (just what people say will happen). If you're willing to be a guinea pig, go ahead with the TRS-female to banana plugs cable conversion, but please do report back the results so we all have first-hand reference. :veryevil: 

post #8530 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

The "catch" to the cheap class-T amp like the Lepai is unless you can make your own custom cable or have someone do it for you, you'll end up spending at least $100-200 for recabling to 4 pin XLR from a commercial dealer. Or you would have to snip off the stock cable TRS plug and just connect the ends directly. That's because class-T amp cannot have a shared ground, and TRS plug means shared ground. At that price of recabling you might as well get the Emotiva ($169 right now) and spend another $10-20 for conversion cables from TRS-female to banana plugs.

 

Of course the whole shared ground thing not working with class-T is just literature I've read. I have not heard anyone doing it first-hand and reporting that their amp got fried (just what people say will happen). If you're willing to be a guinea pig, go ahead with the TRS-female to banana plugs cable conversion, but please do report back the results so we all have first-hand reference. :veryevil: 

post #8531 of 18030

One middle ground between spending $100-200 and snipping off your only cable is buy a replacement cable and snip the end off it. That way you still have your cable with TRS plug and a cable that works with Lepai. Still the cheapest replacement cable I could find runs $69:

 

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=163

 

Honestly though, spending more than 3 times the price on cables than your amp sounds retarded.

 

Edit: Found this to be more reasonable: http://btg-audio.com/webstore.htm#!/~/product/category=2609074&id=11498572

 

You could ask them to customize to 4 pin XLR. That way you got flexibility in the future (ie. use with HE-Adapter to connect to tube speaker amps).


Edited by Sonido - 10/16/13 at 5:55pm
post #8532 of 18030

I will just buy a Viablue or Cardas TRS 6.3mm connector on the day I get tired of using speaker amps and resolder the wires. It should be tons better than the stock 3.5mm jack. I had a Silver Poison Toxic Cable on order, but I got seriously tired of waiting for my cable after 5 months and had some small debts to settle so I got a refund on my cable I had on order. Hope I don't regret it, but the chance that I will use another amp other than the Emotiva has rapidly diminished during that waiting period.


Edited by daerron - 10/16/13 at 11:25pm
post #8533 of 18030

What is the cheapest method of getting a cable to hook the HE500 to speaker amp such as the Emotiva miniX? What I have read so far is a cable costs around £100? This sort of messes up the value of the Emotiva... Is it possible to get something cheaper?

post #8534 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


sorry my friend..but thats absolutely not true... power is not holy with the he500... i heard lots of amps expensive and more budget m9dels with my he500 and most drove the he500 well if they were around the 1watt into 50ohm..BUT that doesnt mean they all sound good wi5h the he500.. on contrary.. only a few i heard i would consider right pair with the he500... and most of them are above 1000usd..but as some of u know..i want best that the he500 can provide..am not looking in how cheap a he500 CAN be driven... i want best sound..period... and so should u if ur willing to spend 699usd/699eur/699gbp.. i always learned a amp has to be at least same price as ur speakers/headphones at least..but i know i am of a dying race here on headfi..reading bout using 20usd worth of amps on such a wonderful headphone.believe me i also started with a budget amp..but found out investing in ur amp does improve ur overal satisfsction in listening....but as i said..lately i only hear bout how u can drive ur cans with the cheapest amps u can get ur hands on... back in the days it was normal to drive a 900 headphone with a 2000usd amp..nowadays people who do that are afraid to post thst with the fear being cruzified by peeps here who swear on budget speakeramps... no respect sometimes.. oh well..everyone is allowed to their own opinion..am so glad that in a few months am not active on this thread anymore..lolz


Ok mate, whatever makes you happy!

post #8535 of 18030
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

What is the cheapest method of getting a cable to hook the HE500 to speaker amp such as the Emotiva miniX? What I have read so far is a cable costs around £100? This sort of messes up the value of the Emotiva... Is it possible to get something cheaper?


Cut the TRS connector off the stock cable and continunity test the strands/plugs to establish what is left/right/ground/live.

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