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post #8236 of 16541
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

Does a balanced system help the sound of the 500s

 

Maybe, but only if apart from balanced is also better than a similarly priced single end system. Just being balanced does not guarantee anything.

post #8237 of 16541
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Originally Posted by Georgo94 View Post
 

@ Sonido 

Is your source the HTC One ?

If yes, then this might be causing the problem with mids. HTC One has this "superb" beats audio EQ which is literally killing music. Even if you turn beats option off WA7 will still amplify crappy audio. Try connecting HE-500 to a CD player or computer via WA7.

Also tried with computer usb same problem. And no I'm not using beats. The EQing was done through Poweramp at only 1 kHz and I EQed on computer with windows media player for the same result. Currently I'm in the process of burning it in at home. Will know if there is any improvement tonight.

post #8238 of 16541

Fun story for u guys 

 

JUST read a Head Fi Virgin review of the T90 and HE500... he felt the HE500 had better details [not by much but enough]

 

Which is nice to hear, since I'm thinking I'll b very busy trying the HE500 HE 5LE and T90, along with what ever else is in their price range and sound signiture [maybe the new AKG can as well]

 

still it's always nice to hear a new member's take on things! [he did like the T90 over the He 500 but still, you know :3]

post #8239 of 16541
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

Do you have this problem at 1 kHz? It's not a minor difference mind you. It's quite substantial and the sound is warped especially compared to after listening with EQ.

No sound warping at all

All I can suggest goes along the lines of Georgo94 just swap around components and see if you can isolate the source of the problem.

 

As for balanced drive

When  I am not using the WA7 I run the HE500 balanced out of a Violectric HPA V181, it is a very different amp so it is hard to compare.

Where the Woo is like a candle lit smoke filled jazz club full of atmosphere the Violectric is like a laboratory all about resolution and detail.

I think the balanced vs se difference is quite small with the HE500, my Senn HD650 shows a much greater contrast between balanced and se drive.

In the end I prefer the HE500 via the Woo and the HD650 out of the Violectric.

post #8240 of 16541

Ok some updates. I've been running them non-stop as to burn them in. After at least 24 hours now, the sound is still off, but not by as much. In fact, to get the "right" sound, the EQ I'm applying at 1 kHz has dropped from -10 dB to -4 dB. Perhaps this is all a burning in issue, as the manual says to burn in for 150 hours. I'm about to do some objective testing with a frequency response app on my phone and play some white noise to see how it compared with the given frequency graph.

post #8241 of 16541

 

Definitely a bump around 1 kHz. Falls in line with the 4 dB difference. I'm sure before burning in last night it was even more pronounced

 

Used O2+ODAC with computer for testing.


Edited by Sonido - 9/27/13 at 5:56pm
post #8242 of 16541
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Definitely a bump around 1 kHz. Falls in line with the 4 dB difference. I'm sure before burning in last night it was even more pronounced

Used O2+ODAC with computer for testing.
What app is that?
post #8243 of 16541
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


What app is that?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.julian.apps.AudioTool&hl=en

post #8244 of 16541
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

 

Definitely a bump around 1 kHz. Falls in line with the 4 dB difference. I'm sure before burning in last night it was even more pronounced

 

Used O2+ODAC with computer for testing.

 

You're sure? Do you have a graph or measurement of that to display?

post #8245 of 16541
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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post
 

 

You're sure? Do you have a graph or measurement of that to display?

Unfortunately I didn't think to do any measurements last night before I had already burned it in for 24 hours. But after 24 hours it's gotten a lot better, difference dropped from -10 to -4 dB through EQ just basing off what I find natural sounding. I'm gonna continue burning them, and I'll try to take measurements ever 24 hours. Hopefully it'll lose the hump.

post #8246 of 16541

I'm thinking about upgrading my HD650 to HE-500. Will it be a considerable improvement? Will the HRT Streamer II+ > O2 drive them well? I feel like I reached very close to the peak as far as headphones go, but I would like to be proven otherwise...


Edited by matti620 - 9/28/13 at 10:06am
post #8247 of 16541
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Originally Posted by matti620 View Post
 

I'm thinking about upgrading my HD650 to HE-500. Will it be a considerable improvement? Will the HRT Streamer II+ > O2 drive them well? I feel like I reached very close to the peak as far as headphones go, but I would like to be proven otherwise...

 

Depending on your tastes, it may be anything from a big improvement to a sidegrade. Perhaps if you consider the hd650 lacking in the treble, he500 is likely to be a good improvement.

I have not heard your upstream gear, but if it is nice for you with the hd650 I would guess it will likely be ok with the he500.


Edited by i019791 - 9/28/13 at 11:04am
post #8248 of 16541
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Originally Posted by i019791 View Post
 

 

Depending on your tastes, it may be anything from a big improvement to a sidegrade. Perhaps if you consider the hd650 lacking in the treble, he500 is likely to be a good improvement.

I have not heard your upstream gear, but if it is nice for you with the hd650 I would guess it will likely be ok with the he500.

 

 

+1 

 

up to you if you like the HE-500s sound. i personally think the HE-500 is another league over HD 650, even though i REALLY REALLY like the HD 650 and i owned it for a couple years.

 

 

but theres some people on here who think hd 600/650 are better. so its mostly up to you.

post #8249 of 16541
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Originally Posted by matti620 View Post
 

I'm thinking about upgrading my HD650 to HE-500. Will it be a considerable improvement? Will the HRT Streamer II+ > O2 drive them well? I feel like I reached very close to the peak as far as headphones go, but I would like to be proven otherwise...

 

I think you'll probably want something with a little more power than the o2 to drive the HE-500.  I have the o2 and it's a great amp for regular dynamic headphones.  Planars imo do better with more current than the o2 puts out.  The mini-x is a good cheap amp with plenty of power for the o2.  I haven't heard the magni/asgard II.  But I have seen them also recommended as amps with enough power in the lower price ranges.

post #8250 of 16541

Alright got some updates after another 24 hours of burn in.

 

Yesterday (24 hours burn in):

 

Today (48 hours burn in):

 

Not too much difference, but definitely smoother compared to yesterday. Overall more neutral from 125 to 16k Hz, and I think the roll offs in the sub bass and upper treble is just the hardware limitations of my phone's mic. I was hoping for the 1 kHz bump to fall more, but compared to day 0, I'd only have to EQ by -3 or -4 dB rather than the -10 dB on day 0. I definitely regret not measuring it straight out of the box now, as I'm sure it was look crooked especially with a large peak at 1 kHz. Sonically, it's a lot better too. I can listen to it without EQ on most songs, and it not fatiguing anymore. Some songs still require toning down at 1 kHz, but I'm beginning to think it's more a problem with a specific genre of music that the HE500 doesn't do well with.

 

I'll add one more image without the bottom menu bar and zoomed in further to highlight the peaks and valleys in more detail (take note of the Y axis and the dB scaling):

 

I guess only about 100 hours to go before the manufacturer recommended burn in period of 150 hours is done. I'll post results one more time after 150 hours.

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