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I don't think HE-500 lacks resolution compared to T1. I think T1 is just sharper sounding and makes details stand out more. HE-500 is softer and details are more integrated into the overall sound. As for HE-500 being thick and slow, I strongly disagree with that. I think that they are very fast and full in a good way when properly amped. Actually, I think it's T1 that sounds a little too thin, as do other dynamics, when compared to planars. I think that with dynamic drivers, the extra emphasis on micro detail takes away some of the natural fullness that music is supposed to have. I feel that planars provide a more natural balance between detail definition and body.

 

As for HE-6, I never liked that headphone. Honestly, I think HE-500 sounds more natural and is just as technically capable. All I heard with HE-6 was more treble tizz and a thinner, colder midrange that made music sound less realistic and less fun. It's not more analytical than HE-500 either, because it doesn't have any more resolution or speed or any other noteworthy technical advantage IMO. I know I may be in the minority, but I can't deny what my ears are telling me. I prefer both HE-500 and T1 to HE-6 and I also prefer HD800, HD650, LCD2, K702 and many other headphones to HE-6.

 

Regarding HE-500 bass quality, I feel that it is only lacking if HE-500 is not driven properly. Even when underpowered, HE-500 has better bass definition and texture than many headphones, especially dynamics. The better the source, the tighter, faster and punchier HE-500 bass becomes. HE-500 seems to improve more with better sources than any other headphone I've owned. The bass character of HE-500 is a lot more similar to that of balanced armatures than dynamics - the lows are cleaner and more defined than with most dynamics. When well powered, HE-500 is also capable of producing a really immediate and visceral bass impact that most dynamics can only dream of. The superior bass performance of planar and armature drivers is backed up by measurements - check out the 20-200 Hz frequency response and 30-50 Hz square waves of dynamics vs. planars and armatures and you will see that even the best dynamics like T1 and HD800 are slightly lacking compared to many planars and armatures.

 

listen to HD 800, HE-6 on a well powered amp, TH-900,  and i guess you can even add the LCD-2/3, the he-500 still even on a good amp seems to lack full resolution, like theres a smoothness and thickness that seems to prevent details from being full resolved and presented. the HE-6 sounds like HE-500 but without that veil and nicer treble detail and clarity. you probably didn't have a good amp for the HE-6, its anything but thin, its fuller sounding than most dynamic headphones. and even when well driven, the bass still has some aspects of it that just don't sound perfect  to me, if wooliness isn't the best word to use, i don't know what is, but i can definitely tell that the HE-500 is a fun headphone to have around, though T1, HD 800, and HE-6 are all better. and even though HE-500 has good impact, it does sound rolled off in the sub-bass.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

listen to HD 800, HE-6 on a well powered amp, TH-900,  and i guess you can even add the LCD-2/3, the he-500 still even on a good amp seems to lack full resolution, like theres a smoothness and thickness that seems to prevent details from being full resolved and presented. the HE-6 sounds like HE-500 but without that veil and nicer treble detail and clarity. you probably didn't have a good amp for the HE-6, its anything but thin, its fuller sounding than most dynamic headphones. and even when well driven, the bass still has some aspects of it that just don't sound perfect  to me, if wooliness isn't the best word to use, i don't know what is, but i can definitely tell that the HE-500 is a fun headphone to have around, though T1, HD 800, and HE-6 are all better. and even though HE-500 has good impact, it does sound rolled off in the sub-bass.
Dubstepgirl..u know ur comparing toptier (+1200usd) to the poor he500 being only 699usd.. Right? For me knowing many people comparing the humble he500 to the best (and expensive) headphones on the market only shows how good it really is! No he is not perfect..not even close..but its a phone u easily fall in love with..and can improve it with easy modding... And with the right amp it really gives more expensive phones a run for their money... Imho ofcourse!

And as i said before dubstepgirl..try the modulor pads and the opengrill mod..a new world will open up to u with the he500.

And i agree with u..the he6 doesnt sound thin at all with the right amping...
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/18/13 at 1:04am
post #7968 of 15244
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 
 
Dubstepgirl..u know ur comparing toptier (+1200usd) to the poor he500 being only 699usd.. Right? For me knowing many people comparing the humble he500 to the best (and expensive) headphones on the market only shows how good it really is! No he is not perfect..not even close..but its a phone u easily fall in love with..and can improve it with easy modding... And with the right amp it really gives more expensive phones a run for their money... Imho ofcourse!
And i agree with u..the he6 doesnt sound thin at all with the right amping...

 

 

the HE-500 was 899 USD before though. the only thing i really find wrong with HE-500 is the sub-bass and detail, besides that i think its almost perfect. everything else is done very well. i still feel other headphones perform better than it, but may not necessarily be as fun or enjoyable. i know LCD-3 and HD 800 aren't as engaging with electronic as the HE-500 is.

 

 

u know i prefer the HE-500 to the Abyss as well right? 

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post


the HE-500 was 899 USD before though. the only thing i really find wrong with HE-500 is the sub-bass and detail, besides that i think its almost perfect. everything else is done very well. 

u know i prefer the HE-500 to the Abyss as well right? 
Yes i know it was introduced at 899... they decided to lower the price as they were afraid it would steal away to many new buyers from the he6 i understand..it was that good..correction..it is that good.. biggrin.gif

Yep..i know u prefer it above that hugely overpriced phone called the abyss wink.gif i was not contradicting u my friend...i said it more in general..as many compare the he500 to phones costing doubling its price.. That shows its a good phone..and for many the beginning of the end of their wallet..hehehe

Everyone is now anxiously waiting for the next top tier from mr. Fang (he600?he7? New JADE?)... I wonder why they wait so long this time..competitors are working or already came out with new better models...
About the subbass..the modulor pad mod helps....detail..well..no mod yet..BUT MAYBE A NEW MODEL WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT..lolz.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/18/13 at 1:20am
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well seeing Abyss LCD-3 and new planars coming out, he really wants to release something really amazing, a game changer for the entire headphone industry.

 

the hifigirl he-7 :D ,

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

well seeing Abyss LCD-3 and new planars coming out, he really wants to release something really amazing, a game changer for the entire headphone industry.

the hifigirl he-7 biggrin.gif  ,
Yup i start to get that feeling also... He is probably waiting what others come out with (or he has some kind of quality issues with the new models he needs to solve?....remember the early he400 issues?).so he knows his competion and knows how to silence them..lolz

hifigirl he-7? ..that would be the day..a female friendly top tier phone... Specific made for the heads of women..and for us bigheaded guys..a he7S biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/18/13 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

well seeing Abyss LCD-3 and new planars coming out, he really wants to release something really amazing, a game changer for the entire headphone industry.

 

the hifigirl he-7 :D ,

Haha that would be awesome. Is HiFiMan releasing a new planar? Electrostatic? Excited to see these. And what is wrong with the HE500's bass? Is it too wooly for you? I find near perfect... Just needs to extend slightly lower, better decay and tightness. Sounds like a lot but for me, its near perfect. Maybe the LCD 2/3 may be the one for me. How does the LCD 2 sound compared to the HE500 in the mid and treble range?

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Haha that would be awesome. Is HiFiMan releasing a new planar? Electrostatic? Excited to see these. And what is wrong with the HE500's bass? Is it too wooly for you? I find near perfect... Just needs to extend slightly lower, better decay and tightness. Sounds like a lot but for me, its near perfect. Maybe the LCD 2/3 may be the one for me. How does the LCD 2 sound compared to the HE500 in the mid and treble range?
Try the jergmodded pads of modulor..with me the subbbass improved with that mod..and its inexpensive! And on my 337 the bass was everything but wooly.. wink.gif

I heard rumors he is working on a new JADE (the first jade was his first phone his company made..and some say it was his best sounding one until now..but very fragile!)..a full electrostatic like staxes.. A endgame phone... But only rumors so far.... Nothing concrete. But i heard personally from one of their senior customer service officers that they are working on new top tier full size model (s) coming out in 2014..and that was a few months ago...whether its electrostatic or planar.. Its a mistery...
Lcd2 vs. He500.. I only heard the lcd2 two times..so i dont think i am the right guy to help u with an answer..but maybe DSG can?
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/18/13 at 1:54am
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Try the jergmodded pads of modulor..with me the subbbass improved with that mod..and its inexpensive!

 

I did, I cut those little holes inside of my pleather pads and they did seem to improve the bass or that was just psychological because I can't pick out little differences in sound like you audiophiles out there... I just bought brand new pleathers to hear the difference and I heard none at all lol. Also have the J$ pads, they're awesome! 

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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

Haha that would be awesome. Is HiFiMan releasing a new planar? Electrostatic? Excited to see these. And what is wrong with the HE500's bass? Is it too wooly for you? I find near perfect... Just needs to extend slightly lower, better decay and tightness. Sounds like a lot but for me, its near perfect. Maybe the LCD 2/3 may be the one for me. How does the LCD 2 sound compared to the HE500 in the mid and treble range?

yeah just needs more decay and extension, to me, thats important. it'd be close to perfection if it could do those.

 

lcd-2/3 have less air and seems to have less treble, the lcd-3 less so, but its darker still. i think the mids are about the same on both, both very good and both are fairly laid back.

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I did, I cut those little holes inside of my pleather pads and they did seem to improve the bass or that was just psychological because I can't pick out little differences in sound like you audiophiles out there... I just bought brand new pleathers to hear the difference and I heard none at all lol. Also have the J$ pads, they're awesome! 
U have to try the venting mod also..not just the holes..the modulor pads are even better..they have velours over the pleather... And as i said..u can buy them plug and play..easy peasy..even for me

And try the velour pads out..i loved them more then the standard pleather ones! Most people do on the he500.

And about sound..did u try lossless material like wav or flac or even 24/96 coded material? As i understand u only had mp3's the last time u talked about it...... I found out that on lossless material its easier to recognize the differences in bass, soundstage, air etc. etc.
Try to rip a cd u already own into wav or flac.. And then try to hear differences..u will see its easier to hear differences..just a tip...
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/18/13 at 2:10am
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Next person to use the word wooly gets stabbed in the kidney.

I am dying to hear the HE-6 and having heard both the T1 and HD-800 IMO the HE-500 is the superior headphone. I did enjoy them but every time I came back to the HE-500 the music was just more fun.

I don't want to try and spout audiophile buzzwords but as someone on a real life budget who can't afford several pairs of $1000.00 headphones I find the fact that the HE-500 competes with all the flagships and IMO bests some of them a major accomplishment.

For me the real reason I finally decided on the HE-500 was that it truly is a master of multiple genres. I'm not saying it is the best at all genres but it is or is at least near the top in many. I needed to build my relatively humble main system around one great performer and from punk to stoner rock, jazz to soul, roots music to hip-hop the HE-500 satisfies.

Many headphones I tried beat the HE-500 on some genres but really didn't work at all with others while I have yet to hear an album that doesn't result in a smile with my HE-500.

I really do miss my RS1i for pure rock fury however and if the right deal comes along I'll certainly snag another pair.

For now I have a bifrost and lyr and I think it sounds great and will tube roll a little for the time being to satisfy my curiosity while I decide on what dac and amp to settle on in the future but you can't argue that the combo is one of the best bang for the buck deals in this hobby. Especially with the uber, I was skeptical at first but bought it because it was cheap, would give me a chance to tinker, and I was itching to upgrade something as being newly divorced absolutely kills the audio budget. The result blew me away, was like getting a new DAC. Everything I liked about the bifrost was still there, just clearer and it even made the bass less yarn-like. cool.gif

I bought the Norse cable purely out of vanity. I hated the fugly and awkward stock cable.
Edited by detoxguy - 9/18/13 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


U have to try the venting mod also..not just the holes..the modulor pads are even better..they have velours over the pleather... And as i said..u can buy them plug and play..easy peasy..even for me

And try the velour pads out..i loved them more then the standard pleather ones! Most people do on the he500.

And about sound..did u try lossless material like wav or flac or even 24/96 coded material? As i understand u only had mp3's the last time u talked about it...... I found out that on lossless material its easier to recognize the differences in bass, soundstage, air etc. etc.
Try to rip a cd u already own into wav or flac.. And then try to hear differences..u will see its easier to hear differences..just a tip...

 

I hate the velour pads that are included with the HE500's. I also tried the back vent mod but my tape wasn't as thick as the modders but it was close. 

 
I didn't bother with the hybrid velour and leathers as the first two mods didn't really work out for me so I just bought the J$ pads. Its funny how different worn HE500 pleathers and brand new ones are, these are probably the best stock pads I have used. The worn ones are just slightly flatter obviously and a lot softer. 
post #7979 of 15244
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Now that this much time has passed, I have a better understanding about it now. It ensures consistency in the sub-bass performance, because the pads are solidly bonded to the cups instead of just clipped on at 4 tabs on the underside. As for improvement, it should be present but a bit more minor than I had previously thought (my early-on impressions of this modding step actually had some interactions with the back-vent mod, which I did not realize until recently).

Hmm, so it means the adhesion mod works better when the back-vent mini mod is done?

And about the back-vent mod, is it really necessary? Don't the other steps already open HE-500's sound enough? I ask because it's said that this mod lets a little of dust into the drivers. Since my room is very dusty, and HE-500's drivers are known to be sensitive to dust, I'm not sure I want to do it.


Edited by Okamoto - 9/18/13 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by detoxguy View Post

Next person to use the word wooly gets stabbed in the kidney.

I am dying to hear the HE-6 and having heard both the T1 and HD-800 IMO the HE-500 is the superior headphone. I did enjoy them but every time I came back to the HE-500 the music was just more fun.

 

 properly drived, i agrre with you.

and is cheap compared to the other two

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