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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
 

I disagree that T1 beats HE-500 in everything, but bass. That's not true at all IMO. Firstly, look at the measurements for both - objectively, HE-500 is actually the better headphone. T1 has very apparent ringing, while HE-500 is much cleaner. Whether that's audible or not, is a different question, but the fact is that HE-500 measures cleaner than T1. Secondly, I think that HE-500 can easily match, if not surpass T1 in clarity, tonality, transient response, resolution and almost everything else actually, except for soundstage dimensionality and maybe imaging. I love the sound of both, but I do think T1 is overpriced compared to HE-500, as it's not better overall and yet costs significantly more.

 

Maybe so, although price wies the T1 is just a T90 with less treble lol 

post #7907 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post
 

I disagree that T1 beats HE-500 in everything, but bass. That's not true at all IMO. Firstly, look at the measurements for both - objectively, HE-500 is actually the better headphone. T1 has very apparent ringing, while HE-500 is much cleaner. Whether that's audible or not, is a different question, but the fact is that HE-500 measures cleaner than T1. Secondly, I think that HE-500 can easily match, if not surpass T1 in clarity, tonality, transient response, resolution and almost everything else actually, except for soundstage dimensionality and maybe imaging. I love the sound of both, but I do think T1 is overpriced compared to HE-500, as it's not better overall and yet costs significantly more.

 

I have some difficulty into accepting superiority arguments based on non audible measurements differences

post #7908 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

I disagree that T1 beats HE-500 in everything, but bass. That's not true at all IMO. Firstly, look at the measurements for both - objectively, HE-500 is actually the better headphone. T1 has very apparent ringing, while HE-500 is much cleaner. Whether that's audible or not, is a different question, but the fact is that HE-500 measures cleaner than T1. Secondly, I think that HE-500 can easily match, if not surpass T1 in clarity, tonality, transient response, resolution and almost everything else actually, except for soundstage dimensionality and maybe imaging. I love the sound of both, but I do think T1 is overpriced compared to HE-500, as it's not better overall and yet costs significantly more.

He-500 also has less treble. And while he-500 has more clarity, it lacks the resolution of the t1, also the he-500 still seems a little thick and slow compared to the t1. And what is "everything else"?

Theyre both great headphones, i listed pros and cons of both. Also dont forget he-500 has wooly bass, and the mids, t1 has more detailed mids and treble. T1 just has brighter treble and isnt as grain free, but its not bad either, t1 is still the better headphone. He-6 its more of a fair fight, and the he6 can get better with better amping, but the he-500 is not better than a t1
post #7909 of 14628
I prefer t1 tonality to he-500 though theyre pretty close and amping plays a part in that too
post #7910 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post


He-500 also has less treble. And while he-500 has more clarity, it lacks the resolution of the t1, also the he-500 still seems a little thick and slow compared to the t1. And what is "everything else"?

Theyre both great headphones, i listed pros and cons of both. Also dont forget he-500 has wooly bass, and the mids, t1 has more detailed mids and treble. T1 just has brighter treble and isnt as grain free, but its not bad either, t1 is still the better headphone. He-6 its more of a fair fight, and the he6 can get better with better amping, but the he-500 is not better than a t1

Agree 100%.  Even with the 880 600ohm, you can tell these difference already.  Don't confuse your personal preference when it comes to SQ/sound signature and the real capability of a certain pair of HPs.  That's not a fair, honest evaluation.

post #7911 of 14628

I've never heard the T1, but I don't agree with dubstep girl when she says HE-500 has "wooly" bass. It sounds pretty tight to me.

One thing that I really love about the HE-500 that few headphones are capable of is being very smooth while mantaining good clarity and texture.


Edited by Okamoto - 9/17/13 at 11:53am
post #7912 of 14628
A little too tight, the subbass tends to sound rolled off (it doesnt lack extension but just the decay is too short and hence the dry wooly kinda weird sound)
post #7913 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 

I've never heard the T1, but I don't agree with dubstep girl when she says HE-500 has "wooly" bass. It sounds pretty tight to me.

One thing that I really love about the HE-500 that few headphones are capable of is being very smooth while mantaining good clarity and texture.

 

Oh, it's definitely a bit on the wooly side, especially comparing to LCD-2 or LCD-3...but that doesn't make it less pleasurable. In fact in some cases, it makes the experience more fun.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

A little too tight, the subbass tends to sound rolled off (it doesnt lack extension but just the decay is too short and hence the dry wooly kinda weird sound)

Then maybe your definition of wooly is different from mine. "Wooly" bass to me is a loose, imprecise bass. Even though I find HE-400's bass a little more defined, "cleaner" sounding, HE-500's bass is by no means imprecise. If anything, it's more close to the real thing.


Edited by Okamoto - 9/17/13 at 12:05pm
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Let's agree to disagree...:p  Enjoy our HPs based on what we like and take what people say about our HPs with a grain of salt and most importantly, don't get upset like I can sense from some people.  It's like saying "yeah, my d..k is smaller than yours but I still have the same amount of pleasure".  Sorry for the sexually loaded analogy.  :deadhorse:

post #7916 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

A little too tight, the subbass tends to sound rolled off (it doesnt lack extension but just the decay is too short and hence the dry wooly kinda weird sound)

 

Oh that's how you describe wooly, as too little decay AWESOME, the AD 900x has wooly bass, it's VERY deep and tight but the decay is a smidge to short, while there is more bass in the AD 900x over the Dt 880, the DT 880 sounds more natrual as it has a smidge more decay, where as the AD 900x has a little more bass quanity and equal quality, it just lacks a little decay which makes it great for EDM but a little too lean for rock or anything 

 
YAY I have a new word to use! Although I think I'll still refer to wooly bass as overly lean and lacking in decay, but what a fun word :3
 
That said How Wolly is the He 400? 
post #7917 of 14628
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Let's agree to disagree...:p  Enjoy our HPs based on what we like and take what people say about our HPs with a grain of salt and most importantly, don't get upset like I can sense from some people.  It's like saying "yeah, my d..k is smaller than yours but I still have the same amount of pleasure".  Sorry for the sexually loaded analogy.  :deadhorse:

 

Yep, weird to get upset when your hp/gear is criticized - not like you're married to it or something.

 

If anything it's much better to the usual "it sounds so flawless" (only until I hear something better) type of impression :D

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post
 

 

Yep, weird to get upset when your hp/gear is criticized - not like you're married to it or something.

 

If anything it's much better to the usual "it sounds so flawless" (only until I hear something better) type of impression :D

 

Agree'd if it was perfect we'd all own one. but it's not so the negative and postive feedback lead to a better understanding of the sound overall which helps get it into the right hands :3 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Oh that's how you describe wooly, as too little decay AWESOME, the AD 900x has wooly bass, it's VERY deep and tight but the decay is a smidge to short, while there is more bass in the AD 900x over the Dt 880, the DT 880 sounds more natrual as it has a smidge more decay, where as the AD 900x has a little more bass quanity and equal quality, it just lacks a little decay which makes it great for EDM but a little too lean for rock or anything 
 
YAY I have a new word to use! Although I think I'll still refer to wooly bass as overly lean and lacking in decay, but what a fun word :3
 
That said How Wolly is the He 400? 

Yeah lacking decay and lean in the sub bass is exactly how id describe he-500 bass. The midbass is great though, and unlike other headphones with less than perfect subbass, the he-500 do have good extension, just that like i said, its wooly biggrin.gif

But besides that and the slightly less resolution vs other headphones and the he-6, the he-500 really has few flaws, i do enjoy the he-500 quite a bit, mostly for electronic music like trance and house where subbass isnt really needed, i love how he-500 sound with pleathers too.
Edited by Dubstep Girl - 9/17/13 at 1:15pm
post #7920 of 14628
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post


Yeah lacking decay and lean in the sub bass is exactly how id describe he-500 bass. The midbass is great though, and unlike other headphones with less than perfect subbass, the he-500 do have good extension, just that like i said, its wooly biggrin.gif

 

Sounds a lot like the AD900x Bass, but with a smidge more Sub Bass... and honeslty for EDM, wooly bass is nice when it's paird with a big sound stage, but out side EDM wolly bass is not wanted imo 

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