or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › HiFiman HE-500 (HE as in High End) Proving to be an enjoyable experience in listening. .
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

HiFiman HE-500 (HE as in High End) Proving to be an enjoyable experience in listening. . - Page 524

post #7846 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

 

Lol you're asking this question in the wrong place. Some people will tell you the o2/odac is enough, some people will tell you the lyr/bifrost is enough(two popular amp / dac combos). It just depends on what you are trying to get. And yeah... forget the dark star.

 

I think most people stop along the lines of the lyr / bifrost combo since that about matches the price of the headphone and is a good point for price/performance compared to spending 2k on an amp that might not give you 4x the sound quality of the lyr. I think upgrading is in a way, part of the journey as it helps you appreciate the good gear once you get it. It also lets you be satisfied without sepnding a boatload of money if that's all you need.

My apologies, new around here. Sorry guys.

post #7847 of 18029

Highroller,

 

At the start I would try and broaden my search as much as possible till you find what you like and then zoom in on it and start spending the bucks, it is part of the headphone journey. I've been in Head-fi for about 3 years now and only really starting to figure out what I like. First it was finding out which headphones you like (ended up adoring the HE-500, coming from the HD595, Grado RS1i and HD580), then how to properly amp those headphones, then to get a good source that has synergy with your rig and how to optimise your digital collection. Buying high end gear has more risks because you lose a lot of money if you end up selling items again because you didn't like what you bought. I've been through just such an experience with a couple of DACs which has cost me a couple of bucks and I am still searching for something I like, but I am starting to zoom in on specific options.

 

Luckily there are a couple of very good starter amps for the HE-500 out there. I think a good place to start out is with something like the Lyr or Project Ember and perhaps the Emotiva Mini-X for a taste of good solid state. Not sure if there are any good tube amps out there for not too much money? The 337 and 339 La Figaro seem like nice tube options, but already becoming more expensive. Once you figure out what you like you can get higher up the chain. If you really like solid state then you can spend the money on the GSX and know you've reached the end game and enjoy your rig, without wondering too much about other options out there.

 

Here are a couple of options:

Emotiva Mini-X -> Violectric V200 / Schiit Mjolnir -> Headamp GSX

Project Ember / Schiit Lyr -> La Figaro 339 / Darkvoice 337 -> Decware Taboo / Woo Audio WA2

 

With a DAC I'd start with something simple, something like the Resonessence Concero or JKenny Ciunas. The Concero is quite nice as you can use it as a USB->SPDIF converter for a future high end DAC. If you like neutral and lively then you'll love the Concero and then you can build on that. If you like smooth then the Ciunas will probably be a very good option and then you can build on that. So for the money that a Mytek would cost you, you could potentially try two excellent DACs and broaden your options.

 

If you don't want to play around with a lot of options but want a single high end integrated DAC/Amp that does most things well then there are also many options. Many people on this route start with the ODAC/O2 combo. From thereon, the Asus Essence One MUSES edition / Yulong DA8 can be great options and finally something like the Burson Conductor can be fantastic. I am a bit wary of integrated DAC/Amp units, as they always seem to have some compromises somewhere and if you end up not liking one part then you are stuck with the unit. A lot of units give you more flexibility etc. a DAC/amp that can later be used a DAC only, but I don't like paying for something I don't end up using later on.

 

Most of all, enjoy your journey, and take my list with a grain of salt! It is really just an example. I haven't heard most of the components I've listed here, but they are my list after months and months of research. I'm just waiting on Project86 to finish his Concero HD review before I press the "buy" button on that.


Edited by daerron - 9/16/13 at 2:28am
post #7848 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

Highroller,

 

At the start I would try and broaden my search as much as possible till you find what you like and then zoom in on it and start spending the bucks, it is part of the headphone journey. I've been in Head-fi for about 3 years now and only really starting to figure out what I like. First it was finding out which headphones you like (ended up adoring the HE-500, coming from the HD595, Grado RS1i and HD580), then how to properly amp those headphones, then to get a good source that has synergy with your rig and how to optimise your digital collection. Buying high end gear has more risks because you lose a lot of money if you end up selling items again because you didn't like what you bought. I've been through just such an experience with a couple of DACs which has cost me a couple of bucks and I am still searching for something I like, but I am starting to zoom in on specific options.

 

Luckily there are a couple of very good starter amps for the HE-500 out there. I think a good place to start out is with something like the Lyr or Project Ember and perhaps the Emotiva Mini-X for a taste of good solid state. Not sure if there are any good tube amps out there for not too much money? The 337 and 339 La Figaro seem like nice tube options, but already becoming more expensive. Once you figure out what you like you can get higher up the chain. If you really like solid state then you can spend the money on the GSX and know you've reached the end game and enjoy your rig, without wondering too much about other options out there.

 

Here are a couple of options:

Emotiva Mini-X -> Violectric V200 / Schiit Mjolnir -> Headamp GSX

Project Ember / Schiit Lyr -> La Figaro 339 / Darkvoice 337 -> Decware Taboo / Woo Audio WA2

 

With a DAC I'd start with something simple, something like the Resonessence Concero or JKenny Ciunas. The Concero is quite nice as you can use it as a USB->SPDIF converter for a future high end DAC. If you like neutral and lively then you'll love the Concero and then you can build on that. If you like smooth then the Ciunas will probably be a very good option and then you can build on that. So for the money that a Mytek would cost you, you could potentially try two excellent DACs and broaden your options.

 

If you don't want to play around with a lot of options but want a single high end integrated DAC/Amp that does most things well then there are also many options. Many people on this route start with the ODAC/O2 combo. From thereon, the Asus Essence One MUSES edition / Yulong DA8 can be great options and finally something like the Burson Conductor can be fantastic. I am a bit wary of integrated DAC/Amp units, as they always seem to have some compromises somewhere and if you end up not liking one part then you are stuck with the unit. A lot of units give you more flexibility etc. a DAC/amp that can later be used a DAC only, but I don't like paying for something I don't end up using later on.

 

Most of all, enjoy your journey, and take my list with a grain of salt! It is really just an example. I haven't heard most of the components I've listed here, but they are my list after months and months of research. I'm just waiting on Project86 to finish his Concero HD review before I press the "buy" button on that.

 

Yeah thanks. I am using my HE500 with a Lyr and Bifrost I bought upon recommendations from people here and audiogon and it hasn't left me with any remorse yet but ofcourse I am new to this. I bought all my products brand new from vendors in my country which cost me up to trice the prices I now see on the for sale forums. I was stupid rushing into this hobby and just buying the items because they were available and not waiting to buy them used here on headfi but we all make mistakes right? I will probably lose more than half of what a paid on these items if I do intend on selling them one day after an upgrade. I am testing out new tubes or what you guys here call "tube rolling" and so far only tried the stock tubes and the Matsush*ta 6922 and the latter has been my favourite so far, hope to try out new tubes in the future though but it seems everything in this hobby is crazy pricey. My friends call me stupid and a, I quote: "crazy and stupid impulse shopper" lol. I bet they cant hear a difference between their disgusting beats by dre and my HE500s but I've given up trying to convince them. I tend to love a warmer, forgiving sound with details in the high end without fatigue or sibilance with a wide soundstage which "surrounds" me instead of being "in my head". So far, this is one of my favourite hobbies but... The most expensive by far haha albeit, totally worth it because music means a lot to me. Thanks for the input guys and sorry if I sounded "noob" or if I posted questions, etc in the wrong section of the forum. Cheers!

post #7849 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

My apologies, new around here. Sorry guys.

 

whoa don't get upset i was being sarcastic, i merely meant, ify ou ask people who spend a ridiculous amount of money well.... that's what they're going to say is the best approach a lot of the time.

 

this is the perfect place to ask questions and everything. didn't meanto be rude or kick you out or anything


Edited by Llloyd - 9/16/13 at 6:11am
post #7850 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

 

whoa don't get upset i was being sarcastic, i merely meant, ify ou ask people who spend a ridiculous amount of money well.... that's what they're going to say is the best approach a lot of the time.

 

this is the perfect place to ask questions and everything. didn't meanto be rude or kick you out or anything

Upset? How? I just apologized. Its ok, its just I am new here.

post #7851 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

Upset? How? I just apologized. Its ok, its just I am new here.

 

Oh well I didn't mean to say "get out of the thread you are in the wrong place" as in literally. I was just making a figurative/sarcastic statement is all. A soft jab on all of us who spend too much money on headphone gear :)

 

You are in the right place so no need to apologize.

post #7852 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

 

Oh well I didn't mean to say "get out of the thread you are in the wrong place" as in literally. I was just making a figurative/sarcastic statement is all. A soft jab on all of us who spend too much money on headphone gear :)

 

You are in the right place so no need to apologize.

 

Oh right haha. Thank you. 

post #7853 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Oh right haha. Thank you. 
One tip/warning

If u do go on the tubey road..be prepaired to spend at least half of the worth of ur amp or more in tuberolling... But it pays off to try different tube pairs.. I was lucky to find right nos matched 2 pairs after just spending around 500 usd on tubes.

Another thing not to be forgotten:

When u do upgrade ur rig...dont forget to improve the media quality on ur source...it makes no sense having a mytek and gs-x (or any other higher end stuff like blue circle audio) while playing 128bbs mp3 media..go for at least lossless flac or 24/96 wav stuff or sacd stuff...there are sites from which u legally can download high quality media for ur rig. Have fun!
And bout expensive stuff...most of us started with simple stuff and went up..some buy 6 high end headphones and several headphone amps and are happy (and not knowing which headphone to use every day..lolz..oops)..like DSG...others go for the ultimate 1 on 1 configuration (with modded headphones, new upgraded cables etc).. Like me.. I sell my stuff when i buy a new item.. But no matter what u do or what u spent... Try to find out what u like..soundwise..and then go in steps to ur audio nirvana wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/16/13 at 7:31am
post #7854 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


One tip/warning

If u do go on the tubey road..be prepaired to spend at least half of the worth of ur amp or more in tuberolling... But it pays off to try different tube pairs.. I was lucky to find right nos matched 2 pairs after just spending around 500 usd on tubes.

Another thing not to be forgotten:

When u do upgrade ur rig...dont forget to improve the media quality on ur source...it makes no sense having a mytek and gs-x while playing 128bbs mp3 media..go for at least lossless flac or 24/96 wav stuff or sacd stuff...there are sites from which u legally can download high quality media for ur rig. Have fun!
And bout expensive stuff...most of us started with simple stuff and went up..some buy 6 high end headphones and several headphone amps and are happy (and not knowing which headphone to use every day..lolz..oops)..like DSG...others go for the ultimate 1 on 1 configuration (with modded headphones, new upgraded cables etc).. Like me.. I sell my stuff when i buy a new item.. But no matter what u do or what u spent... Try to find out what u like..soundwise..and then go in steps to ur audio nirvana wink.gif

 

Yeah thanks. I am using Winamp but it seems like converting some 320 and 128kbps files to flac has no audible difference... Either I am not trained enough lol or the encoder is just not good enough?

post #7855 of 18029
Upconverting doesnt improve sound quality, if anything it would degrade it as you produce artifacts from the encoder trying to put information where there isn't any.

You have to find actual lossless files, mp3s are lossy
post #7856 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

Upconverting doesnt improve sound quality, if anything it would degrade it as you produce artifacts from the encoder trying to put information where there isn't any.

You have to find actual lossless files, mp3s are lossy

 

Well how do people encode FLAC in the first place? Must I use a special program to do so?

post #7857 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

 

Well how do people encode FLAC in the first place? Must I use a special program to do so?

 

You can rip music off CDs using a variety of softwares (I personally prefer Foobar2000), and select what the ripped music is encoded in.

post #7858 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Yeah thanks. I am using Winamp but it seems like converting some 320 and 128kbps files to flac has no audible difference... Either I am not trained enough lol or the encoder is just not good enough?
Lolz..converting mp3 128kbs to flac? U know that wont improve the media right? Flac can only be converted from wav...to get same quality..as lossless flac compresses the uncompressed wav files which are huge compared to flac...as far i understand flac does that by deleting everything thats double in the track (like the silences) and in so sometimes is half the size of a regular (1411kbs) wav file from a cd rip using audio cd rip software (By EAC or audiograbber or db poweramp cd ripper)..they rip ur tracks directly from ur cd..bypassing ur internal soundsystem in ur pc..until now i prefer the dbpoweramp as with scratched cd's it did the best job recovering lost bits)

.i have wav files as big as 250mb (24/96 vinyl rips)! And some people say that flac sounds same as wav..i am one of the few who dont belive that..its not night and day..but i have a flac (ripped from the cd) of the album innuedo-queen and i have that exact album as 24/96 vinyl rip as wav...200mb plus files! On the more difficult tracks u can hear what i call air around the musicians...as if it breaths more..more natural...the guitar especially!! But i just read a piece that it can be that the drivers used to uncompress the flac files the right way are not working correctly..and that could be the reason that my wav files sound a BIT better then flacs...very technical stuff..i think koiloco can explain better being a sound engineer..
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/16/13 at 7:50am
post #7859 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Lolz..converting mp3 128kbs to flac? U know that wont improve the media right?

 

 

Thanks for the informative replies. I feel like I am asking questions which are quite "obvious" or "derp" and I should stop. Maybe I should do more research. Anyway, thanks for the help guys.

post #7860 of 18029
Quote:
Originally Posted by highrolller View Post


Thanks for the informative replies. I feel like I am asking questions which are quite "obvious" or "derp" and I should stop. Maybe I should do more research. Anyway, thanks for the help guys.

Noooooo..just ask away my friend...we all were in ur shoes in one time..u cant imagine what kind of questions i asked when i just got my 337 concerning tubes.. biggrin.gif
Once someone told me...questions are never stupid or to much...it just shows ur interested! And we all appreciate that..yes we can be a bit direct sometimes..but u know what they say..u only kid around with the ones u like...so ask away! If we dont wanna reply...we dont..
Sooner or later u will reply same way as us..the ones who know a little bit more then u wink.gif

Welcome by the way to the world of audio..may the force be with u as ur wallet and ur wife will hate u soon enough..hehehehe

TIP: try to visit audio shows or local headfi meetings..that will open up ur eyes a bit..as u can talk and try out other stuff... It did with me!
TIP 2: it always helps a bit doing some homework on ur best friend in this..google and co. tongue.gif
But be careful with that..as all whats writting doesnt mean its correct...
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/16/13 at 8:05am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › HiFiman HE-500 (HE as in High End) Proving to be an enjoyable experience in listening. .