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post #7831 of 18019
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

@highroller, you seem very new to this HP hobby and audio overall?  Pardon me if you are not.  

I am not a veteran either when it come to HPs but been around music, audio, recording/mixing, home theater...a long time.  If you want the best right off the start and can afford it and can appreciate it, then sure by all mean do it.  Otherwise, take it slowly and start with something else a little less and learn/experience the entire spectrum.  You might be surprised at the wonderful quality of SQ you might get for much less starting out.  After awhile, when you know exactly what you are after then definitely go for it.  Just a friendly input. Take it with a grain of salt as always.

Yes I am. I am loving it so far because music means a lot to me. Sorry for rushing I guess. I am just a curious person haha. I will take it slowly but I just want to make the most of my HE500...

post #7832 of 18019
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Does the gsx come with a dac? If not, which dac would be ideal for its sound? And how does the gsx go against the dark star by rsa?

 

no, the GSX is a headphone amp, doesn't come with a DAC, you would have to get your own DAC. a good transparent smooth sounding dac would be the best match for the GSX. i recommend the Mytek 192, other people have been happy with W4S, NAD M51, Perfectwave Mk2, and the brand new BDA-2.

 

 

the GSX is a far better amp than the Dark star. the general consensus is that the dark star is overpriced overhyped and underperforms, most of the money is in the casework. it's not a bad amp for the HE-6, has tons of power, but at its price, you can get a speaker amp and do much better. as for driving other headphones, theres cheaper and better options out there.

post #7833 of 18019
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

no, the GSX is a headphone amp, doesn't come with a DAC, you would have to get your own DAC. a good transparent smooth sounding dac would be the best match for the GSX. i recommend the Mytek 192, other people have been happy with W4S, NAD M51, Perfectwave Mk2, and the brand new BDA-2.

 

 

the GSX is a far better amp than the Dark star. the general consensus is that the dark star is overpriced overhyped and underperforms, most of the money is in the casework. it's not a bad amp for the HE-6, has tons of power, but at its price, you can get a speaker amp and do much better. as for driving other headphones, theres cheaper and better options out there.

 

Oh right, thank you. Do you think its a "stupid" idea to buy an amp and dac worth twice - trice the price of your headphones? I feel like nothing can drive my HE500s to its full potential but I always seem to have too high expectations. Also, how do you play amps and dacs that aren't connected via USB? Like people who buy the Bifrost with the USB upgrade, what player do you use for your music? 

post #7834 of 18019
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

 

Oh right, thank you. Do you think its a "stupid" idea to buy an amp and dac worth twice - trice the price of your headphones? I feel like nothing can drive my HE500s to its full potential but I always seem to have too high expectations. Also, how do you play amps and dacs that aren't connected via USB? Like people who buy the Bifrost with the USB upgrade, what player do you use for your music? 

Just not the best bang for your bucks - nothing stupid about it.

 

Dacs can be connect via SPDIF/Coax/AES/I2S. USB just happens to be the most convenient.

post #7835 of 18019
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

 

Oh right, thank you. Do you think its a "stupid" idea to buy an amp and dac worth twice - trice the price of your headphones? I feel like nothing can drive my HE500s to its full potential but I always seem to have too high expectations. Also, how do you play amps and dacs that aren't connected via USB? Like people who buy the Bifrost with the USB upgrade, what player do you use for your music? 

 

umm you would use coaxial or optical for dac's if you didn't have usb connection. or you would use a cd player to get to your amp if you didn't have a dac.

 

i use Jriver media center 19. 

 

i feel expensive amps are worth it if they're good. the HE-500 also scale very very well and respond well to more power and better amps.

post #7836 of 18019

Oh right. Thanks guys. What does coaxial and opticals plug into? Do they sound better than the USB inputs?

post #7837 of 18019
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

no, the GSX is a headphone amp, doesn't come with a DAC, you would have to get your own DAC. a good transparent smooth sounding dac would be the best match for the GSX. i recommend the Mytek 192, other people have been happy with W4S, NAD M51, Perfectwave Mk2, and the brand new BDA-2.

 

 

the GSX is a far better amp than the Dark star. the general consensus is that the dark star is overpriced overhyped and underperforms, most of the money is in the casework. it's not a bad amp for the HE-6, has tons of power, but at its price, you can get a speaker amp and do much better. as for driving other headphones, theres cheaper and better options out there.

 

Again, DSG said it all except for that I would like to throw in and recommend the TEAC UD501 as a DAC candidate.  Out of the 4, DSG recommended.  I've heard 2 and would pick the Mytek 192 anyday.  The HP amp on the Mytek is pretty decent too for a built in.

post #7838 of 18019
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Oh right, thank you. Do you think its a "stupid" idea to buy an amp and dac worth twice - trice the price of your headphones? I feel like nothing can drive my HE500s to its full potential but I always seem to have too high expectations. Also, how do you play amps and dacs that aren't connected via USB? Like people who buy the Bifrost with the USB upgrade, what player do you use for your music? 
First of all..ITS NEVER A BAD IDEA TO GET THE BEST U CAN GET FOR UR HEADPHONE..even its triple the price of ur headphone...if ur headphone is higher end ofcourse..its always worth it..imho ofcourse! .and the he500 is one..check me..i am now waiting for an amp costing me more then 4000usd in total...for my he500 and next year for the he6...
More important then money is that u buy the right amp for ur headphone and for ur listening taste...whether its a 500usd amp (like the lyr) 700 usd (like the wonderfull 337 i had) or a 6000 usd worth of mal valve amp... Find that match and stick to it..
To connect an amp to a pc u could also choose for a usb to spdif converter... So u can connect it by coax to ur pc..
Check this review out

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/15-usb-spdif-converters-shootout-15327/

U can use a streamer to play ur media..u can connect those by coax to ur amp or rca or spdif...or use a source on which ucan stick cards in..or connect external media to..if u dont wanna use a pc (or laptop/netbook) as ur source..

or do as me..i used the excellent hifiman hm602 mp3 player as source (with inserted 32gb sdcard)..it was connected by a high quality mini-din to dual rca cable to my 337 through its line out (not phone out) with this using it as a preamp with no volume control..and getting purest sound possible from that little beauty...it has a internal dac also..lolz...i loved the pairing with the hm602 more then being fed by my laptop by the way...and the hm602 is really affordable!!

Update: i once heard a mytek dac..its a wonderful piece of kit..but also very unforgiving..every fault in ur source it shows merciless...it lets u hear everything..its like an open door..all gets through..if the rest of ur rig is good enough its ur best bet for the price..imho ofcourse..
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/15/13 at 7:37pm
post #7839 of 18019
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post



More important then money is that u buy the right amp for ur headphone and for ur listening taste...whether its a 500usd amp (like the lyr) 700 usd (like the wonderfull 337 i had) or a 6000 usd worth of mal valve amp... Find that match and stick to it..
To connect an amp to a pc u could also choose for a usb to spdif converter... So u can connect it by coax to ur pc..

 

That's the best thing you've said so far since I've read your posts.  :beerchug:

 

The problem that I often see is that people lucky enough with $ to spare and easily afford to buy these expensive items sometimes don't really know what they are listening to and honestly appreciate what they have.  For many, they are buying the product and its status.  Saying you can hear things is as easy as typing.  Very unfortunate but I've experienced this quite a few times already in other hobbies and especially in audio related hobbies.  Just sharing some personal experience.


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 7:39pm
post #7840 of 18019

What players are SPDIF and coaxial? Are they on your computer or must it be something specific?

post #7841 of 18019
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

no, the GSX is a headphone amp, doesn't come with a DAC, you would have to get your own DAC. a good transparent smooth sounding dac would be the best match for the GSX. i recommend the Mytek 192, other people have been happy with W4S, NAD M51, Perfectwave Mk2, and the brand new BDA-2.


the GSX is a far better amp than the Dark star. the general consensus is that the dark star is overpriced overhyped and underperforms, most of the money is in the casework. it's not a bad amp for the HE-6, has tons of power, but at its price, you can get a speaker amp and do much better. as for driving other headphones, theres cheaper and better options out there.
I think u can also include the blue circle bc501,507 and 509 dac biggrin.gif
post #7842 of 18019
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

That's the best thing you've said so far since I've read your posts.  beerchug.gif

The problem that I often see is that people lucky enough with $ to spare and easily afford to buy these expensive items sometimes don't really know what they are listening to and honestly appreciate what they have.  For many, they are buying the product and its status.  Saying you can hear things is as easy as typing.  Very unfortunate but I've experienced this quite a few times already in other hobbies and especially in audio related hobbies.  Just sharing some personal experience.
Thanks..lolz

And i agree..there are people out there who,just buy stuff because its expensive and statuts..like a neighbour of my friend who bought a green porsche 911 GT3 RS full track specced! and only use it on the highway and keeping the speed limit..THATS NUTS! .people that car screams for track abuse!! I had the pleasure to sit in one while the driver went totally bezerk on the track...yes i got out in one piece..but my god..and yes..at certain moments i thought i would die...but my god i loved it.. Some people buy it to show off that they can buy expensive stuff..and thats so wrong in my opinion..

.thats what u tried to say right koiloco? And i agree
But..if u have the money, the balls and the experience..go for that GT3 RS and get a subscription for ur local race track..and go bezerk on it! Every free time u can get..!! I wish i had the money!!
Same goes with audio stuff..IF U KNOW WHAT U WANT AND LIKE..get the best u can afford..

Oops..its 5am now..damn..time flies when ur listening to beautiful music through an evil amp...hehehehe goodnight people..i wil lay down for 3 hours or so..and then work work work..lolz.good thing i can do my work from home when i want to... biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/15/13 at 7:58pm
post #7843 of 18019
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Update: i once heard a mytek dac..its a wonderful piece of kit..but also very unforgiving..every fault in ur source it shows merciless...it lets u hear everything..its like an open door..all gets through..if the rest of ur rig is good enough its ur best bet for the price..imho ofcourse..

 

+1

post #7844 of 18019
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

 

Oh right, thank you. Do you think its a "stupid" idea to buy an amp and dac worth twice - trice the price of your headphones? I feel like nothing can drive my HE500s to its full potential but I always seem to have too high expectations. Also, how do you play amps and dacs that aren't connected via USB? Like people who buy the Bifrost with the USB upgrade, what player do you use for your music? 

 

Lol you're asking this question in the wrong place. Some people will tell you the o2/odac is enough, some people will tell you the lyr/bifrost is enough(two popular amp / dac combos). It just depends on what you are trying to get. And yeah... forget the dark star.

 

I think most people stop along the lines of the lyr / bifrost combo since that about matches the price of the headphone and is a good point for price/performance compared to spending 2k on an amp that might not give you 4x the sound quality of the lyr. I think upgrading is in a way, part of the journey as it helps you appreciate the good gear once you get it. It also lets you be satisfied without sepnding a boatload of money if that's all you need.

post #7845 of 18019
And if you have a vintage amplifier sitting around, plug it into that. You might be surprised
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