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The Bakoon HDA-5210mk3 arrived today. It's the most transparent amp I've ever heard to be sure. I thought the Taboo was really transparent but I think the bakoon has a step up on it in the high and low ends in terms of distortion. I didn't think there was any distortion on the lows with the Taboo, but apparently I was wrong. Both amps are extremely transparent and likely my DAC is bottlenecking both. The bakoon is at least as good as the taboo from my initial listening impressions. I'd say it's likely that I prefer the Bakoon but I'll wait before I come to a conclusion. It takes me around a month to really settle into a new piece of gear.

 

Edit: Oh it packs a real punch by the way. Whoever said this cannot drive planars is insane.


Edited by Llloyd - 9/6/13 at 2:14pm
post #7547 of 13442

Llloyd, great to hear.  My taboo just came this morning too.  So far, I am impressed with both build and sound quality.  At this point, I could safely and surely say that yes, it's better than my Emotiva but the Emotiva still has a very "lively" sound signature in comparison to the taboo which is butterly smooth, transparent and so relaxing to listen.  If this gets better once the system settles down further, I will be quite happy.

post #7548 of 13442
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Llloyd, great to hear.  My taboo just came this morning too.  So far, I am impressed with both build and sound quality.  At this point, I could safely and surely say that yes, it's better than my Emotiva but the Emotiva still has a very "lively" sound signature in comparison to the taboo which is butterly smooth, transparent and so relaxing to listen.  If this gets better once the system settles down further, I will be quite happy.

 

I imagine the taboo 3 has an improved sound, or so Frank said. The Bakoon is sharper to be sure, and I definitely notice more sibilance, but I think some of the fatigue might be from a volume issue as I've realized I can't really go past 20% on the low gain setting lol. I can see why people think this is a great amp for the HE-6.

 

I will probably swap some tubes around in my DAC to see what sonic differences I get, I needed a very sharp, sterile sounding tube due to the warm nature of the taboo and the naturally warm nature of the Havana, so I think it could be clashing with the sound of the Bakoon amp.  The smooth but ultra detailed sound of the taboo is something to be desired for sure.

post #7549 of 13442

Ok I think I've had my HE-500s long enough to make an honest impression. Coming from the Q701s, these suckers pack a punch. I'm really loving the bass. I think they play electronica and rock music extremely well. Comparing directly with the Q701s, the sound stage is slightly reduced and overall sound separation or distinction is slightly reduced. To me the Q701s, were airy, but very clear, with subtle bass. The main reason I bought the Q701s was for gaming. The HE-500s produce a much fuller richer sound. The HE-500s are more forgiving than the Q701s. The Q701s are more analytical where can you hear the smallest details. I am driving them both off the ODAC/O2. 

 

I thought the O2 amp might be limiting the HE-500s, so I bough the Lyr with the Amperex Orange Globe tubes to see if I could give some proper power to these cans. Honestly, I am not impressed. Maybe, I just don't like the sound of tubes over SS. I feel like the O2 produced a cleaner sound. I could easily hear distinctions between different sounds. The base and mids were tight and impactful. The Lyr just seemed to smooth over everything. It still sounded great, but I did not prefer it to the O2. I'm going to sell the Lyr and see if I can get a better SS amp. 

post #7550 of 13442
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Originally Posted by barretp View Post
 

Ok I think I've had my HE-500s long enough to make an honest impression. Coming from the Q701s, these suckers pack a punch. I'm really loving the bass. I think they play electronica and rock music extremely well. Comparing directly with the Q701s, the sound stage is slightly reduced and overall sound separation or distinction is slightly reduced. To me the Q701s, were airy, but very clear, with subtle bass. The main reason I bought the Q701s was for gaming. The HE-500s produce a much fuller richer sound. The HE-500s are more forgiving than the Q701s. The Q701s are more analytical where can you hear the smallest details. I am driving them both off the ODAC/O2. 

 

I thought the O2 amp might be limiting the HE-500s, so I bough the Lyr with the Amperex Orange Globe tubes to see if I could give some proper power to these cans. Honestly, I am not impressed. Maybe, I just don't like the sound of tubes over SS. I feel like the O2 produced a cleaner sound. I could easily hear distinctions between different sounds. The base and mids were tight and impactful. The Lyr just seemed to smooth over everything. It still sounded great, but I did not prefer it to the O2. I'm going to sell the Lyr and see if I can get a better SS amp. 

 

 

get a better DAC and try again

post #7551 of 13442
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get a better DAC and try again

 

Why would the DAC hinder the Lyr and not the O2?

post #7552 of 13442
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Why would the DAC hinder the Lyr and not the O2?

 

 

Because the lyr is way more transparent, it can give you more of everything, thus the dac becomes a bottleneck or a limiting factor cutting off the full capability of the lyr. I didn't see what dac dubstep girl was referring to or what you are using, but she knows what she's talking about. If the source sounds like garbage the amplifier isn't going to magically make it better, it's just amplifying the garbage, ya dig?

post #7553 of 13442
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Because the lyr is way more transparent, it can give you more of everything, thus the dac becomes a bottleneck or a limiting factor cutting off the full capability of the lyr. I didn't see what dac dubstep girl was referring to or what you are using, but she knows what she's talking about. If the source sounds like garbage the amplifier isn't going to magically make it better, it's just amplifying the garbage, ya dig?

 

Yeah I understand that, but I'm using the same DAC for both the O2 and Lyr, and I think the O2 sounds better. I guess a better DAC might have more synergy with the Lyr. 

post #7554 of 13442
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Yeah I understand that, but I'm using the same DAC for both the O2 and Lyr, and I think the O2 sounds better. I guess a better DAC might have more synergy with the Lyr. 

 

 

Oh that's kinda weird. If the DAC is really terrible to the point where it makes both systems sound the same aside from volume/coloration then that would make sense. Otherwise I'm not sure. What DAC are you using anyway?

post #7555 of 13442
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Originally Posted by barretp View Post
 

Ok I think I've had my HE-500s long enough to make an honest impression. Coming from the Q701s, these suckers pack a punch. I'm really loving the bass. I think they play electronica and rock music extremely well. Comparing directly with the Q701s, the sound stage is slightly reduced and overall sound separation or distinction is slightly reduced. To me the Q701s, were airy, but very clear, with subtle bass. The main reason I bought the Q701s was for gaming. The HE-500s produce a much fuller richer sound. The HE-500s are more forgiving than the Q701s. The Q701s are more analytical where can you hear the smallest details. I am driving them both off the ODAC/O2. 

 

I thought the O2 amp might be limiting the HE-500s, so I bough the Lyr with the Amperex Orange Globe tubes to see if I could give some proper power to these cans. Honestly, I am not impressed. Maybe, I just don't like the sound of tubes over SS. I feel like the O2 produced a cleaner sound. I could easily hear distinctions between different sounds. The base and mids were tight and impactful. The Lyr just seemed to smooth over everything. It still sounded great, but I did not prefer it to the O2. I'm going to sell the Lyr and see if I can get a better SS amp. 

Very true.

post #7556 of 13442
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Originally Posted by barretp View Post
 

Yeah I understand that, but I'm using the same DAC for both the O2 and Lyr, and I think the O2 sounds better. I guess a better DAC might have more synergy with the Lyr. 

 

No need to doubt your ODAC and go for other DACs if you feel that the ODAC/O2 combination is fine.

post #7557 of 13442
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post
 

 

 

Oh that's kinda weird. If the DAC is really terrible to the point where it makes both systems sound the same aside from volume/coloration then that would make sense. Otherwise I'm not sure. What DAC are you using anyway?

 

I'm using the ODAC.

post #7558 of 13442

Yeah idk I've never heard the lyr anyway so I can't really comment, I misred the original statement besides. Maybe you just like the o2/odac better. It does seem weird though because of how highly most lyr owners speak of it.

post #7559 of 13442

If you like Solid state amps then check out the Emotiva as an option and get yourself an adapter with speaker taps. I preferred its sound compared to the Project Sunrise 2, which is also a SS + tube hybrid like the Lyr but less powerful, but an excellent amp none the less. There has been enough said of this combo in this thread and the Emotiva amp thread, so do check it out, but if you are happy with what the ODAC+O2 combination give you, then stick with it. It is a definite benefit of the HE-500 that it plays nice with entry level gear.

 

You can also try rolling some tubes on the Lyr. There are a lot of tubes that will give you a lot of transparency like the Amperex orange labelled tubes. I am also sure the Lyr should sound excellent with the Genalex Gold Lions. That is one significant advantages of valves, as you can swap them out to give you better synergy with your current gear. With SS you either like it, or get rid of it!

post #7560 of 13442
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

 

get a better DAC and try again

 

This. And throw the stock tubes away.

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