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post #7486 of 15195
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Originally Posted by DairyProduce View Post
 

 

How would you compare the lyr, mjolnir and soloist for driving your hifimans?

 

Haven't heard the Lyr or Mjolnir paired with the HE-500

 

But I owned the Soloist for a good amount of time, and I wasn't all that impressed with the HE-500 paired up with it. 

post #7487 of 15195
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

Haven't heard the Lyr or Mjolnir paired with the HE-500

 

But I owned the Soloist for a good amount of time, and I wasn't all that impressed with the HE-500 paired up with it. 

 

You're using the emotiva speaker amps now? 

post #7488 of 15195
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

Haven't heard the Lyr or Mjolnir paired with the HE-500

 

But I owned the Soloist for a good amount of time, and I wasn't all that impressed with the HE-500 paired up with it. 

 

You're using the emotiva speaker amps now? 

 

 

Yup. I was the first person with the emotiva. When I purchased it, it was really for my HE-6. I found the Little Dot MKVI+ didn't quite do it justice so I jumped on the emotiva. Found the emotiva out performed the Little Dot MKVI+ in just about every category with orthodynamics. 

post #7489 of 15195
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

 

Yup. I was the first person with the emotiva. When I purchased it, it was really for my HE-6. I found the Little Dot MKVI+ didn't quite do it justice so I jumped on the emotiva. Found the emotiva out performed the Little Dot MKVI+ in just about every category with orthodynamics. 

 

I'm interested in trying the emotiva speaker amps too...but I've read that there is a hissing noise when you use them?

post #7490 of 15195
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

 

Yup. I was the first person with the emotiva. When I purchased it, it was really for my HE-6. I found the Little Dot MKVI+ didn't quite do it justice so I jumped on the emotiva. Found the emotiva out performed the Little Dot MKVI+ in just about every category with orthodynamics. 

 

I'm interested in trying the emotiva speaker amps too...but I've read that there is a hissing noise when you use them?

 

Yea that's a tricky one to figure out. My noise floor shows up only when there's no music playing and I turn the volume up pretty far. The place I have to put the volume to hear a noise floor with no music playing is far far louder than I would ever listen to.
 
I've got a voltage transformer and a power conditioner in my power line though. I think a lot of the people hearing the noise floor are plugging into wall directly, so that might be a factor. Either way, adding 75ohm resistors for me pretty much eliminates all noise floor. Maybe I should make a guide on making an adapter for this amp with resistors :/
post #7491 of 15195
Finally got the XLR cables and was able to test the Mjolnir.

Very powerful and detailed amp, but compared to my HA-160 it sounds much less refined and more "congested".

I'll not jump to conclusions yet since I spent very little time with it, but so far I can tell that the HA-160 hold its own very well with orthos against the powerhouse that is Mjolnir. And there's absolutely no way the Burson delivers only 250mW max as advertised on Burson's site. If it outputs only 250mW, then the Mjolnir output power is much less than 8W too.
Edited by Okamoto - 9/4/13 at 2:49pm
post #7492 of 15195
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Finally got the XLR cables and was able to test the Mjolnir.

Very powerful and detailed amp, but compared to my HA-160 it's much less refined and more "congested".

I'll not jump to conclusions yet since I spent very little time with it, but so far I can tell that the HA-160 hold its own very well with orthos against the powerhouse that is Mjolnir. And there's no way the Burson delivers only 250mW max as advertised on Burson's site. If it outputs only 250mW, then the Mjolnir output power is much less than 8W too.

The Burson 160 is 760mW into 120 ohm - the 250mW could be for either 300 or 600 ohm. Not sure how much into 32 ohm though.

post #7493 of 15195
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Am sorry to say it..but this is just exactly why i dont want these kind of amps...when i buy an amp i need it to be plug and play...no extra transistors, filters, conditioners or any other stuff in my rig that affects soundquality to make it sound better..u hear the contradiction??...i Just wanna plug it directly in wall and be deadsilent and sound just right!!..if an amp isnt all that..i dont even bother considering it... As i once said..the emotiva may be a good deal for its price..but when i hear about high noisefloors i know they cut corners somewhere in the amp design... As we all know..the Manufacturer needs to make money in the end..
But..as i also stated..i have the utmost respect for people buying an amp and then using custommade stuff to counter the negatives on an amp..as no ampis perfect..no matter the pricing!
post #7494 of 15195
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post
 

The Burson 160 is 760mW into 120 ohm - the 250mW could be for either 300 or 600 ohm. Not sure how much into 32 ohm though.


I sent them an email some time ago and they told me it outputs about 125mW at 35 Ohm. Unless my HA-160 is some special, modified unit, they lied pretty bad.

"Hi Mario, 

 
Sorry about the late reply due to our Easter break.
 
For the HA-160 at 35ohm you get about 125mw of power. Why not consider our Soloist SL? It is very popular and it will have almost 1W of output at 35ohm.
 
Warm regards
Dennis"
 

"Hi Mario,

 
The HA-160 was a benchmark in the industry but the HE-400 and HE-500 needs more power than it can deliver. 
 
Please consider our Soloist which has over 4000mw compared to 250mw of the HA-160.
 
Best regards,
 
Alex"

Edited by Okamoto - 9/4/13 at 3:06pm
post #7495 of 15195
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Finally got the XLR cables and was able to test the Mjolnir.

Very powerful and detailed amp, but compared to my HA-160 it sounds much less refined and more "congested".

I'll not jump to conclusions yet since I spent very little time with it, but so far I can tell that the HA-160 hold its own very well with orthos against the powerhouse that is Mjolnir. And there's absolutely no way the Burson delivers only 250mW max as advertised on Burson's site. If it outputs only 250mW, then the Mjolnir output power is much less than 8W too.

 

Quote: http://www.head-fi.org/t/532467/review-burson-audio-ha-160-with-listening-impressions/60#post_8170801

Specifications

Input impedance: 47 KOhms

Frequency response: 5Hz (-0.3dB) to 35 kHz (-1dB)

Signal to noise ratio: >98dB at 0dB gain

THD: <0.001% at 6mW/300 Ohms

Channel separation: >70dB/10kHz

Output power: 650mW/300 Ohms, 800mW/60 Ohms

Output impedance: line out 60 Ohms, phones out 5 Ohms

 

Their revised output power adds the caveat of 250mw @ <1% distortion.  

I've never found my Burson to be short on power, even with the power hungry HE-6, but the new quoted figures are dramatically lower than once claimed.

post #7496 of 15195
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 


I sent them an email some time ago and they told me it outputs about 125mW at 35 Ohm. Unless my HA-160 is some special, modified unit, they lied pretty bad.

"Hi Mario, 

 
Sorry about the late reply due to our Easter break.
 
For the HA-160 at 35ohm you get about 125mw of power. Why not consider our Soloist SL? It is very popular and it will have almost 1W of output at 35ohm.
 
Warm regards
Dennis"
 

"Hi Mario,

 
The HA-160 was a benchmark in the industry but the HE-400 and HE-500 needs more power than it can deliver. 
 
Please consider our Soloist which has over 4000mw compared to 250mw of the HA-160.
 
Best regards,
 
Alex"

 

Lol. If the Ha-160 is 125mw @ ~35 ohm like Burson said, then you'll need to turn the volume to MAX to get a decent listening level.

 

All sale talk I'm afraid. The Soloist is 4W @ .... 8 ohm. Its real output into 50ohm is around 1.25w only. Seems to me like a salesman trying to sell you a Soloist rather than the designer answer your question :tongue_smile:

 

Don't worry about specs -especially power, they're mostly meaningless.

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I already knew about those measurements, but all that talk about HA-160 being short on power and not driving the HE-500 optimally pissed me off and led me to get a more powerful amp. Not that I regret it, I really liked the Mjolnir, very detailed and "visceral" amp, but I could live with the Burson only.

post #7498 of 15195
Guys i found something weird on the net today.... I always thought that the 337 i had only had 1 watt output..but according to this new page, the 337,has power EXCEEDING 2watts output (could be into 50ohm?)... In that case it could be a very very powerful tube amp! Now i also know why the 2! Transformer housings on the amp are HUGE. And why the amp is extreme heavy for a headphone amp (12kg/6,6lbs)
could that be the reason the 337 was so capable to drive my he500?... Check this page out:

http://www.darkvoice.net/en/intro.asp?loca=173&a=764&id=1369&js=2

Justwanted to share this with u guys..as it did surprise me a lot..as i thought the power and control my amp had was only because of the extensive mods the previous owner did to it..but reading this the power output probably existed in the amp all along, he just finetuned it wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 9/4/13 at 4:23pm
post #7499 of 15195
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

u hear the contradiction??...
but when i hear about high noisefloors i know they cut corners somewhere in the amp design... 

 

I don't see the contradiction. The speaker amplifier market has been pushing out far higher quality units than the headphone amplifier market. They are meant for speakers. So why not use one adapter to bridge them and allow them to be used with headphones? The competition for headphone amplifiers splits wide open when you do this. 

 

 

Suggesting that a high noise floor from a speaker amplifier being used on headphones is a result of "cutting corners" in the design is also a pretty clear indication that you don't understand a whole lot about amplification. That's fine, not a big deal, your choice not to read into it a whole lot. I just don't think you should try to jump into a debate about amplifiers, when it's clear you really don't understand them, other than from a listening perspective. 

post #7500 of 15195
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

I don't see the contradiction. The speaker amplifier market has been pushing out far higher quality units than the headphone amplifier market. They are meant for speakers. So why not use one adapter to bridge them and allow them to be used with headphones? The competition for headphone amplifiers splits wide open when you do this. 


Suggesting that a high noise floor from a speaker amplifier being used on headphones is a result of "cutting corners" in the design is also a pretty clear indication that you don't understand a whole lot about amplification. That's fine, not a big deal, your choice not to read into it a whole lot. I just don't think you should try to jump into a debate about amplifiers, when it's clear you really don't understand them, other than from a listening perspective. 
I understand what ur getting at..and i totally agree..i am not technical at all..god forbid i ever try to finish any mod an any of my components and in so dangering my household..lolz..

.. But i do have very sensitive hearing....so yes..i choose my stuff on how they sound..and not on how the inside is..and as i said..if an amp is not totally noise free it irritates my hearing..like the speaker amp i temperarely have been using since i sold my 337...after 3 hours i start to get headaches...and that amp is not a cheapish one...it sounds wonderfull on my speakers.. But somehow it irritates me while listening on it through my he500 for a longer period.

So noo..i am not technical..but whats the point on choosing an amp on those criteria alone..?

.one very smart and musical person (who builts/modifies/repairs amps for a living for more then 40 years)said to me once:

.its not whats inside the amp that counts..but what emotion it gives to music. (hope i translated it correctly..as it was in dutch)..

I compare amps in how they sound..not in how much power etc. they have..everyone knows i think like that...

And when i read that an amp is not silent ..how can it then portrait a complete orchestra with very soft passages without any noises not from the music... ?

I know we will never ever agree on this..as its a debate that will go on and on and on...especially between tube guys and solid state guys..and now we have the headphone camp and the speaker camp.

. Point is... For me..i need an amp thats dead silent...period.. As when i hear something else then the music it just irritates me...call me different or ignorant about technicalities.... If i was all about technical stuff i probably would never ever order the amp i am getting...as that amp will be completely opamp based..OH HOW THE HORROR.. Lolz.
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