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post #7351 of 18011
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Originally Posted by catfish View Post

But I'm a tube guy.   Love my HE-500's,  very intrigued by the HE-6's but a good tube amp that can power them seems impossible.  I have a Lyr stashed away and like it but its not the same as a full tube amp being a hybrid. 
Try to find a vintage speaker tube amp...am sure good ones can be found.but for a price!
Or let somebody make u a custommade headphone tube amp... Blue circle audio can make every dream come true as long it conforms to their super high quality demands in built and sound quality! I even read on their forum that they made an amp for a customer which u could switch between solid state and tube operation!! Thats ubercool!!! They also make amps that drive on solar enery...so u green (prius) guys..happy now? biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 8/29/13 at 6:52am
post #7352 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Or go vintage - those tone control circuit are quite decent despite their old age

 

 

Still every type of tone control also brings about other changes in the sound. Best tone control = no tone control, but that's just me bigsmile_face.gif

 

I agree, but sometimes you gotta compromise for overall happiness. Hearing rumbling bass on the HE-500 through the tone knob is very satisfying compared to without it on most of my music, but no tone control is the best way.

post #7353 of 18011
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Originally Posted by catfish View Post

 

But I'm a tube guy.   Love my HE-500's,  very intrigued by the HE-6's but a good tube amp that can power them seems impossible.  I have a Lyr stashed away and like it but its not the same as a full tube amp being a hybrid. 

Not impossible by any means, as long as it can push out decent wattage (i.e. originally designed for speakers).  I'd think something that can drive a small pair of near-field monitors would be sufficient.  Then again, I've heard some pretty good results with the HE-500 off a few tube speaker amps (with and without headphone stages) so I suspect the HE-6 would be a bit better.  If there is an HE-6 at the meet-up this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes!

post #7354 of 18011
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Originally Posted by catfish View Post

 

But I'm a tube guy.   Love my HE-500's,  very intrigued by the HE-6's but a good tube amp that can power them seems impossible.  I have a Lyr stashed away and like it but its not the same as a full tube amp being a hybrid. 

 

Lyr isn't any less of a tube amp just because it's a "hybrid." The tubes are on the input stage and the SS stage is transparent enough that the sound of the tubes comes through quite clearly. This is apparent in how responsive it is to tube-rolling. The Lyr is more "tubey" sounding than a lot of other "true" transformer coupled tube amps.

 

That said, it's probably not a good choice for the HE-6. That thing needs a lot of juice.

post #7355 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

 

Lyr isn't any less of a tube amp just because it's a "hybrid." The tubes are on the input stage and the SS stage is transparent enough that the sound of the tubes comes through quite clearly. This is apparent in how responsive it is to tube-rolling. The Lyr is more "tubey" sounding than a lot of other "true" transformer coupled tube amps.

 

That said, it's probably not a good choice for the HE-6. That thing needs a lot of juice.

There's a reason people call those kinds of amp "hybrid". The valve isn't directly driving the headphone. It's the valve driving the mosfet driving the headphone. This is drastically different from traditional design like old school SET/OTL/PP amplifier.

 

The "full tube" comment actually just refers to the mode of amplification that uses valve instead of mosfet. I'm sure he didn't mean anything derogatory to the Lyr, hybrid and all.


Edited by khaine1711 - 8/29/13 at 7:25am
post #7356 of 18011

Could you potentially use a tube amp as a pre-amp to something like the Emotiva Mini-X and still get a fairly tubey sound? 

post #7357 of 18011
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Could you potentially use a tube amp as a pre-amp to something like the Emotiva Mini-X and still get a fairly tubey sound? 

Most of the time you'll get a crappy sub-optimal tubey sound that way though very_evil_smiley.gif. Extra gain stage and extra volume pots usually do more harm than good.

 

Aside from actually getting a tube amp, the thing you're looking for (imparting valve sound w/o compromising much sound quality) is a buffer. Build one without gain or any volume pot if you're going to use it with an integrated amp. 

 

post #7358 of 18011
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Originally Posted by ninjapirate9901 View Post

Could you potentially use a tube amp as a pre-amp to something like the Emotiva Mini-X and still get a fairly tubey sound? 

 

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Most of the time you'll get a crappy sub-optimal tubey sound that way though very_evil_smiley.gif. Extra gain stage and extra volume pots usually do more harm than good.

 

Aside from actually getting a tube amp, the thing you're looking for (imparting valve sound w/o compromising much sound quality) is a buffer. Build one without gain or any volume pot if you're going to use it with an integrated amp. 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 Here's a Yaqin tube buffer with a great price. Plenty of space for some DIY upgrades too wink_face.gif


Edited by brunk - 8/29/13 at 8:16am
post #7359 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

There's a reason people call those kinds of amp "hybrid". The valve isn't directly driving the headphone. It's the valve driving the mosfet driving the headphone. This is drastically different from traditional design like old school SET/OTL/PP amplifier.

 

The "full tube" comment actually just refers to the mode of amplification that uses valve instead of mosfet. I'm sure he didn't mean anything derogatory to the Lyr, hybrid and all.

 

I'm not offended by derogatory comments about the Lyr. I simply wanted to ensure that someone who likes tubes doesn't disregard the Lyr just because it's a hybrid design.

post #7360 of 18011

I have found that the HE-500 is more comfortable when i push the headband forward on my head, and the cups backward, especially when I use glasses. Highly recommended, though the soundstage becomes different.

post #7361 of 18011
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I have found that the HE-500 is more comfortable when i push the headband forward on my head, and the cups backward, especially when I use glasses. Highly recommended, though the soundstage becomes different.


that would create a lot of open space at the back of the cups where your ears/neck is not touching the cups... that should effect the quality of the soundstage

post #7362 of 18011
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Originally Posted by h4mm3r 0f th0r View Post

that would create a lot of open space at the back of the cups where your ears/neck is not touching the cups... that should effect the quality of the soundstage

Yes.. And it does actually affect the headstage in a way that can be favorable if I do my homework, as the stage is pushed more to the back and inside my head. Not as intrusive, when you try to concentrate. Recommend it for people using glasses, who might have a problem with the 500's, improves the comfort a lot for me.

post #7363 of 18011

After playing with the eq for a while I think I finally found 

 

a setting which sounds good to me. Any further advice from anyone?

post #7364 of 18011
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

After playing with the eq for a while I think I finally found 

 

a setting which sounds good to me. Any further advice from anyone?

EQ'ing down is better than EQ'ing up, as EQ'ing up can increase distortion and possibly clipping. 

EQ'ing down has none of these effects and the signal bandwidth doesn't suffer.

post #7365 of 18011
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

EQ'ing down is better than EQ'ing up, as EQ'ing up can increase distortion and possibly clipping. 

EQ'ing down has none of these effects and the signal bandwidth doesn't suffer.

Thanks GREQ, should I just bring everything down 2-3dB?

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