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post #6916 of 18029
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Audeze and Hifiman possess entirely different house sounds though (and rightfully so), and most people tend to just choose one or the other depending on whichever house sound they dig more. That is typically a very rapid realization, unlike your process, where you do not gravitate toward one house sound or the other.

 

LCD2 (r1 or r2) has never been and will never sound fully "open", simply due to its damping scheme. That arguably is a big plus to the HFM orthos, for those who care.

 

Yeah they do possess a different style. Although this difference seems much larger when you're coming from one or the other and have been using it for a long time. Once you experience and live with both, the differences become smaller and smaller. They are to me more similar than different. I'll say that getting used to and appreciating both is a cost and more so, a time investment.

 

What criteria are you using for "openness?"...Personally felt the LCD-2 and LCD-3 as more natural and 3-D enveloping, making it more enjoyable and giving me more freedom, even though HE-500 is more wider, has more air, higher treble extension. I never felt as if there was an awkward wall on either of the Audeze's, especially not with LCD-3. With HE-500 though, I couldn't move forward or jump up and down.

post #6917 of 18029
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and all headphones u used on ur emotiva? maybe the headphones will be reacting different on my opamp based new amp? well...we have to see then in december as my amp is finished end of november IN CANADA... beerchug.gif

 

lol maybe I'll go hunt the guy making ur amp and secretly tell him to put an Emotiva inside instead biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

 

FWIW, preproman told me that the Mjolnir is similar to Emotiva, with both being on the aggressive side, and so favouring the Audeze's a lot. Burson's and V200 are supposed to be more laid back. Only way to know is to try them out yourself.

 

At the end of the day, if you like what you hear, keep it, and don't come back to head-fi...until something starts bugging you.

post #6918 of 18029
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lol maybe I'll go hunt the guy making ur amp and secretly tell him to put an Emotiva inside instead biggrin.gif  beerchug.gif

FWIW, preproman told me that the Mjolnir is similar to Emotiva, with both being on the aggressive side, and so favouring the Audeze's a lot. Burson's and V200 are supposed to be more laid back. Only way to know is to try them out yourself.

At the end of the day, if you like what you hear, keep it, and don't come back to head-fi...until something starts bugging you.
Did anyone tell ya ur evil? biggrin.gif
About the amps..i did know about bursons and v200 sound signature..never heard a mjolnir or emotiva though..but believe u..again wink.gif

And i totally agree with ur last line.. biggrin.gif
post #6919 of 18029
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lol maybe I'll go hunt the guy making ur amp and secretly tell him to put an Emotiva inside instead biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

 

FWIW, preproman told me that the Mjolnir is similar to Emotiva, with both being on the aggressive side, and so favouring the Audeze's a lot. Burson's and V200 are supposed to be more laid back. Only way to know is to try them out yourself.

 

 

 

At the end of the day, if you like what you hear, keep it, and don't come back to head-fi...until something starts bugging you.

post #6920 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Yeah they do possess a different style. Although this difference seems much larger when you're coming from one or the other and have been using it for a long time. Once you experience and live with both, the differences become smaller and smaller. They are to me more similar than different. I'll say that getting used to and appreciating both is a cost and more so, a time investment.

 

What criteria are you using for "openness?"...Personally felt the LCD-2 and LCD-3 as more natural and 3-D enveloping, making it more enjoyable and giving me more freedom, even though HE-500 is more wider, has more air, higher treble extension. I never felt as if there was an awkward wall on either of the Audeze's, especially not with LCD-3. With HE-500 though, I couldn't move forward or jump up and down.

Openness as in sounding like you're wearing nothing at all (pants included), a lack of the feeling that the sound from the drivers are affected by an enclosure. The most open-sounding would feel as though it's just a set of speakers playing, and the most closed-sounding would be like drivers stuffed inside underdamped solid noise-canceling cups.

 

In more technical terms, HFM cans are air-damped and indeed sound air-damped, while Audeze cans are damped with more conventional methods (fabric/foam/felt sandwiching the drivers, and earpad seal).

 

It doesn't have too much to do with soundstage or imaging. In fact it should be fairly intuitive whether something sounds open or not.


Edited by jerg - 8/6/13 at 6:40pm
post #6921 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

lol maybe I'll go hunt the guy making ur amp and secretly tell him to put an Emotiva inside instead biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

 

FWIW, preproman told me that the Mjolnir is similar to Emotiva, with both being on the aggressive side, and so favouring the Audeze's a lot. Burson's and V200 are supposed to be more laid back. Only way to know is to try them out yourself.

 

At the end of the day, if you like what you hear, keep it, and don't come back to head-fi...until something starts bugging you.

Is it an addiction?

post #6922 of 18029

Obviously, less than an hour into the cans, some serious burn-in needs to happen. However, one thing I am noticing, is that unlike my DT990s, or even AH-D7000, I am beginning to hear a difference between MP3 V2 and FLAC, where I haven;t really been able to hear before. I am not ABXing, merely letting my playlist run through, but it has been about 10 songs now, and I've been able to tell if it is MP3 less than VBR V2 (like CBR128) or not (FLAC, CBR320, etc.). Interesting.....I should really try again with the Denon's but I'm too lazy/enjoying the music.

post #6923 of 18029
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

Is it an addiction?

 

For some it can be. For me it once was.

post #6924 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

lol not everything revolves around Europe though. If you go with retail prices, actually, forget about the price altogether, the LCD-2 is still a contender in terms of sound with HE-500 and for me actually beat it in most categories. LCD-2 for one has the best bass quantity to quality to control ratio. Even more so than LCD-3. Although LCD-3 is more lively all around.

 

With Hifiman, you can plug them into a toaster and you'll get floored with it's performance.

For me and my taste in sound, the bass was only a bit better on the LCD 2 when I compared it vs HE500.  Overall sound was thinner and leans toward a cleaner signature than HE500.  I prefer the HE500 so I bought it instead of a LCD 2.  The decision was not price driven as I was ready to buy a HD800 but wanted to test out ortho since I already a Q701 and still do.

 

+1 with your 2nd bolded sentence. tongue.gif

post #6925 of 18029
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

For me and my taste in sound, the bass was only a bit better on the LCD 2 when I compared it vs HE500.  Overall sound was thinner and leans toward a cleaner signature than HE500.  I prefer the HE500 so I bought it instead of a LCD 2.  The decision was not price driven as I was ready to buy a HD800 but wanted to test out ortho since I already a Q701 and still do.

 

+1 with your 2nd bolded sentence. tongue.gif

 

Yeah HE-500 does give off the sound being transparent and clean. Between headphones, for some it's a matter of taste and others a matter of time. For me it was the latter. I owned the HE-500 for a year. After a certain amount of time, you will start to notice things, or in my case "not" notice things. Although the first few months were great wink.gif

post #6926 of 18029

Got the LCD 2.2 bug in my head too, please tell me to keep my HE500 haha.

post #6927 of 18029
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Got the LCD 2.2 bug in my head too, please tell me to keep my HE500 haha.

 

What do you listen to?

post #6928 of 18029

i found similar things with HE-500, LCD-2 and LCD-3.

 

i finally sold my LCD-2 now that i have LCD-3 since the LCD-3 is a much better headphone. though i do really like the LCD-2 bass presentation, its a little more neutral and tight with a more forward sound, it has more slam and mid-bass punch and impact. 

post #6929 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

What do you listen to?

 

Rock and electronic are the major genres, with the likes of johnny cash and 80's 90's stuff thrown in there. 

post #6930 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Rock and electronic are the major genres, with the likes of johnny cash and 80's 90's stuff thrown in there. 

 

Okay this makes it kind of tough. Depending on your genres within electronic, HE-500 can beat LCD-2 for some. Some trance and DNB is really, really good on HE-500. Although for majority of it, I think LCD-2. Again, it took me 2 months to really start liking the LCD-2, whereas it was instant with HE-500. But then again I am a weirdo, so just ignore me.

 

Now with rock and stuff like Johnny Cash, it's a bit tricky. HE-500 will give you more width and air. Although LCD-2 will give you a more 3-D. Also, the vocals are better and more natural on the LCD-2. It took me awhile to get to that realization. I've found the vocals to be better for pretty much all genres. Also, live bass instruments come off better on the LCD-2 and especially LCD-3. They have the right bump and bloom with better tonality.

 

Throw me some tracks.

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