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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

Yeah, vocals of all types are gorgeous on HE500s. Maybe not the most super detailed but they are presented in such a great way with believable texture you don't care and you
just soak it all in (and some of those details on some recording can show up as grain).
And, off topic a bit, but it's a similar story with the bass; I crave the bass on the HE500, again not as detailed as some other phones but fast and subjectively sounds
subterranean deep and harmonically great, not overblown or out of control like some other phones do (like JVC DX100s, Grado PS1000s, or Denon D7000s).
About details..on my amp details were not good also..but i used a rca power tube and rca red hot drivers..after i changed them for tungsols 5998(power) and tungsols sj7gt mesh plated tubes..it all got much much better..and i mean in a huge way! If u have a tube amp..try to find lesser warm sounding tubes...for me that worked.
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Certainly wasn't trying to imply they are awful, just saying they aren't as engaging as some specific headphones. Seems as if the HE-5 and K501 are headphones not a lot of people have tried. It's certainly not an issue of amplification, and the type of amplifier used. If anything, a tube amplifier would be a push in the wrong direction, due to the distortion introduced in tube amplifiers. 

post #6768 of 18030
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Certainly wasn't trying to imply they are awful, just saying they aren't as engaging as some specific headphones. Seems as if the HE-5 and K501 are headphones not a lot of people have tried. It's certainly not an issue of amplification, and the type of amplifier used. If anything, a tube amplifier would be a push in the wrong direction, due to the distortion introduced in tube amplifiers. 

I really liked the K501, much more than the usual 701 and 702. I think they had that seductive AKG mid range tongue_smile.gif, which isn't really present on the newer 701/702. I read that the Sextett and 240DF got similar character but I haven't heard either.

 

The He-5 on the other hand, is impossible to find nowadays. Owners don't want to let them go for various reasons. And I really want to hear Hifiman's only woody ortho.


Edited by khaine1711 - 8/1/13 at 12:09pm
post #6769 of 18030

For me, its the intimacy that the HE500 gives vocals that makes it seem like they are signing to you and you alone. Allows you to focus on the voice coming at you.  Whereas (for comparisons sake) the HD800, are nice, the larger soundstage takes some of that isolation away IMHO.  Still like both though.

post #6770 of 18030
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

For me, its the intimacy that the HE500 gives vocals that makes it seem like they are signing to you and you alone. Allows you to focus on the voice coming at you.  Whereas (for comparisons sake) the HD800, are nice, the larger soundstage takes some of that isolation away IMHO.  Still like both though.

 

+1 on the HE500's intimacy for vocals. I find they are my go to headphone for this application. Even over the T1 and LCD 2.2.

 

post #6771 of 18030
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

For me, its the intimacy that the HE500 gives vocals that makes it seem like they are signing to you and you alone. Allows you to focus on the voice coming at you.  Whereas (for comparisons sake) the HD800, are nice, the larger soundstage takes some of that isolation away IMHO.  Still like both though.

 

 Huh..thats is huge...

 i once experienced  that with hd600 with mullard tubes..but the clarity is not that awesome..

 Did He500 ever make you cry listening to same sad music or song again & again & again

post #6772 of 18030
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post

 

 Huh..thats is huge...

 i once experienced  that with hd600 with mullard tubes..but the clarity is not that awesome..

 Did He500 ever make you cry listening to same sad music or song again & again & again


yes i actually did...micheal jackson sings a song about a little girl who dies all alone in the end...nobody knew her...she had only herself...only when she died everyone took notice of her..the song starts with a vintage music box playing (that musical intro is so beautiful.so sensitive together with a voice of a little girl humming.that alone makes u shiver on my rig!!) ..that song always gives me tears and makes me emotional..especially when u hear him sing in that emotional way..and that story he tells..so sad!!..

 

sorry cant come up with the title now..but its the saddest song michael ever sang! am not an emotional man at all...my wife says i am icecold sometimes...but this...and how the he500 through my rig sounds with lossless material...wonderfull.


Edited by hifimanrookie - 8/2/13 at 8:10am
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I plan on listening to the HE-500 using a slid state amp (Either Corda Jazz or Corda Classic). I presume that the "lushness" of which you speak vis-a-vis vocals will be less apparent?

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Yesterday I hooked these up to my new Audio GD NFB 10SE2. That uses the ESS 9018 DAC chip with a new, apparently very low jitter, 32 bit capable USB implementation (which I am using in my hook up). 

 

plus it can pump out a ridiculous 6 watts into 50ohm when balanced (as my HE500 are)

 

Before this, I was using the Burson HA160D with a SE adapter for the HE500.

 

First of all, the difference is not "night and day" Not the way I define that term. it's a combination of small differences. I don't know which ones are more due to the DAC or due to the amp changes.

 

On the NFB 10SE2, the HE500 sounds a bit more open. Minor background instruments like tambourines or cowbells or other small percussion instruments sound a bit more separated from the mix and easier to pick out.

 

In addition, the sound is slightly less warm. On the Burson, there's a very slight hint of warmness to the lower mids and that appears to be pretty much gone on the NFB. Depending on how you prefer your music presentation, you would either describe it as "cleaner" or "thinner". I would call it cleaner, myself.

 

Low bass is slightly tighter and more impactful on the NFB. I actually expected a bigger difference than what I hear. It's small and not noticeable on every song or for every type of bass instrument. But with a few tracks that I have, I notice a bit less wobbliness in the subbass on the NFB. 

 

i should say that I don't notice any extra hardness or shrillness or sibilance with either setup. The NFB may sound leaner, but it's not "digital" sounding or adds any peakiness to the treble.

 

That's about all that I noticed after a couple hours of listening yesterday. Overall, the most obvious difference is the increased separation and reduction in a warm tilt. I could see why some people might prefer the Burson presentation, actually, but I like the little details in the backgrounds of songs to be a bit easier to pick out so I'm sticking with the NFB 10SE2.

 

(just realized I didn't compare the HE500 between the SE and balanced outs of the NFB. I should try that tonight.)

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guys..a bit oftopic..but...

i was just watching Johnny English (the movie..i just love that movie) and i really loved the last act (the act during the end-titling) in which he is cooking on the rhytymn of the music....the classical music...does anybody know what it is? as i really love that!! thanks guys!
 

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Originally Posted by Avi View Post

I plan on listening to the HE-500 using a slid state amp (Either Corda Jazz or Corda Classic). I presume that the "lushness" of which you speak vis-a-vis vocals will be less apparent?


normally a SS amp is always missing that special touch the better tubeys have...some call it harmonic distortion that the tubey have..i call it passion.

post #6777 of 18030
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

For me, its the intimacy that the HE500 gives vocals that makes it seem like they are signing to you and you aloneAllows you to focus on the voice coming at youWhereas (for comparisons sake) the HD800, are nice, the larger soundstage takes some of that isolation away IMHO.  Still like both though.

 

I agree with your analogy for sure, although my headphones differ. You find the HE-500 to be the intimate one whereas I found that with the LCD-2 and LCD-3. Where you say the HD800 is more larger, but not as intimate, I found that to be the case with the HE-500.


Edited by Zoom25 - 8/2/13 at 10:25am
post #6778 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


normally a SS amp is always missing that special touch the better tubeys have...some call it harmonic distortion that the tubey have..i call it passion.

 

   i just love the way  cca siemans 1960ish  tube sounds..

   so freakingly  believable & so musical.. it just upgraded the sound of  my benchmark dac1 to a whole new level

post #6779 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

I agree with your analogy for sure, although my headphones differ. You find the HE-500 to be the intimate one whereas I found that with the LCD-2 and LCD-3. Where you say the HD800 is more larger, but not as intimate, I found that to be the case with the HE-500.

I believe its also to do about the synergy with the rest of ur rig in how a certain headphone sounds like..same headphone can sound good on one and absolutely breathtaking on another.
post #6780 of 18030
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post

 

 Huh..thats is huge...

 i once experienced  that with hd600 with mullard tubes..but the clarity is not that awesome..

 Did He500 ever make you cry listening to same sad music or song again & again & again

Closest I got was chills up the back and the hairs standing up on the back of my neck....but that also happens with the HD800 on certain songs, too.

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