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post #6466 of 18094

Here is my modded Emotiva Mini-X.  It was fun.  wink.gif

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/1560

post #6467 of 18094

I'm listening to some EDM with HE-500s and man, they really excel with this genre. IMO better than HE-400.

However, I think HE-400's still better with Jazz, due to its more spacious/airy and dynamic sound.

I have one complain though: There's some "cable noise" with the stock silver cable, which can be heard when I drag it. Is this a common thing with this cable? any way to fix it without having to buy another one(or use HE-400's)?


Edited by Okamoto - 7/23/13 at 9:29pm
post #6468 of 18094
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I have one complain though: There's some "cable noise" with the stock silver cable, which can be heard when I drag it. Is this a common thing with this cable? any way to fix it without having to buy another one(or use HE-400's)?

The stock silver cables for the HE500 have terrible microphonics. I don't think there is any way to fix the issue (aside from trying not to move) without getting different cables unfortunately

post #6469 of 18094
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The stock silver cables for the HE500 have terrible microphonics. I don't think there is any way to fix the issue (aside from trying not to move) without getting different cables unfortunately



Any recommendations?

post #6470 of 18094
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Any recommendations?

If you are handy with soldering, it's quite easy.  

1.  4 point cut by the "Y", sleeve, solder back, heat shrink tube.  

2.  Make a new cable

3.  If not, looking into after market cable, but they are not cheap.

post #6471 of 18094
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

If you are handy with soldering, it's quite easy.  

1.  4 point cut by the "Y", sleeve, solder back, heat shrink tube.  

2.  Make a new cable

3.  If not, looking into after market cable, but they are not cheap.


Could you explain "1" better?

And would a shirt clip help reducing it a little?

post #6472 of 18094
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Just got my HE-500s. Some impressions (compared to HE-400):

- More forward mids and fuller sound

- Smoother treble. Cymbals sound much better

- Voices are better portrayed. Female voices sound awesome, really.

- HE-400s have more(quantity) and better(quality) bass. But the bass on these is still pretty good.

I'm using the velours by the way. Didn't test it with the pleathers, but it'll probably change for worse, so I won't even bother.

By the way, first thing I noticed is that HE-500's atleast as loud as HE-400 at the same mark on my amp's volume pot(Burson HA-160). Actually I feel it's even louder. It's probably due to the less recessed mids, compared to HE-400. I can go further too without fearing the treble will hurt my ears.

All in all, I'm very satisfied with these. Although I'm not really sure yet if they're worth the $300 plus compared to HE-400, I don't regret buying it. Great headphones, really.

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Man, bass is really better on HE-400s. I'm impressed. Anyone know the reason?

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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

I'm listening to some EDM with HE-500s and man, they really excel with this genre. IMO better than HE-400.

However, I think HE-400's still better with Jazz, due to its more spacious/airy and dynamic sound.

I have one complain though: There's some "cable noise" with the stock silver cable, which can be heard when I drag it. Is this a common thing with this cable? any way to fix it without having to buy another one(or use HE-400's)?

 

I am interested in getting one of these soon and have a few questions about them.

 

Do you think the mids of the HE-500 are of higher quality or are they just more forward compared to the HE-400?

 

Same thing with the treble on the HE-400, is the treble more forward causing it to be more harsh/fatiguing and sibilant compared to the HE-500? Or is the treble on the 500 better or is there just less of it making it more smooth and less harsh and sibilant?

 

The bass is the thing that worries me as well. From the owners that own both of these headphones, most of them say the bass is better and cleaner on the HE-400.

 

Do you find either one of them to have better technicalities such as soundstage width, depth, layering, imaging, and instrument better than another?


Edited by cheuh - 7/23/13 at 10:51pm
post #6473 of 18094
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Could you explain "1" better?

And would a shirt clip help reducing it a little?

What I did was

  1. cut the L/R cables just above the "Y" split.  
  2. Then I cut the main section of the stock cable to my desired length.
  3. put a sleeve, heat shrink tubes over the remain main section
  4. put sleeve, heat shrink tubes over the L/R cables (going to the cups) from the cut points in #1
  5. solder the L/R cables back to the main section
  6. heat up HS tubes to hold all sleeves in place and of course cover over the cut at the "Y"

 

Hope this explains what I did.  I found this to be the easiest and cheapest.  I also made my own balanced cable and adapter but this will take some more work and parts/wire.

post #6474 of 18094
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I am interested in getting one of these soon and have a few questions about them.

 

1. Do you think the mids of the HE-500 are of higher quality or are they just more forward compared to the HE-400?

 

2 .Same thing with the treble on the HE-400, is the treble more forward causing it to be more harsh/fatiguing and sibilant compared to the HE-500? Or is the treble on the 500 better or is there just less of it making it more smooth and less harsh and sibilant?

 

3. The bass is the thing that worries me as well. From the owners that own both of these headphones, most of them say the bass is better and cleaner on the HE-400.

 

4. Do you find either one of them to have better technicalities such as soundstage width, depth, layering, imaging, and instrument better than another?

1 - Can't say for sure yet, but so far I tend to think they're just more forward and "fuller".

2 - Yes, HE-500's treble is smoother. It's more forgiving on the source, although there's still a lot of sparkle.

 

3 - IMO HE-400's bass is indeed better. It's noticeable cleaner, but maybe it's because of HE-400's more spacious sound, making bass notes to be heard more clearly.

 

4- Honestly? No. They're just different. HE-500 is smoother, fuller sounding, while HE-400 is more spacious/airy with more recessed mids and elevated treble, granting it a better sense of dynamics overall.

 

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

What I did was

  1. cut the L/R cables just above the "Y" split.  
  2. Then I cut the main section of the stock cable to my desired length.
  3. put a sleeve, heat shrink tubes over the remain main section
  4. put sleeve, heat shrink tubes over the L/R cables (going to the cups) from the cut points in #1
  5. solder the L/R cables back to the main section
  6. heat up HS tubes to hold all sleeves in place and of course cover over the cut at the "Y"

 

Hope this explains what I did.  I found this to be the easiest and cheapest.  I also made my own balanced cable and adapter but this will take some more work and parts/wire.

 

Is step 2 necessary? Do I really need to cut the main section?

And if I got it right, I'll have to cover the entire cable with heat shrink tubes? So why the need to cut it? can't I just cover everything without cutting?

Sorry if I've asked any stupid question. I'm really not very knowledgeable on this subject. I'll let my father do everything (he has some soldering skills).

 


Edited by Okamoto - 7/24/13 at 12:18am
post #6475 of 18094
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1 - Can't say for sure yet, but so far I tend to think they're just more forward and "fuller".

2 - Yes, HE-500's treble is smoother. It's more forgiving on the source, although there's still a lot of sparkle.

 

3 - IMO HE-400's bass is indeed better. It's noticeable cleaner, but maybe it's because of HE-400's more spacious sound, making bass notes to be heard more clearly.

 

4- Honestly? No. They're just different. HE-500 is smoother, fuller sounding, while HE-400 is more spacious/airy with more recessed mids and elevated treble, granting it a better sense of dynamics overall.

 

Thanks for sharing.smile.gif 

 

I might go with the HE-400 because of the cleaner bass and more spacious/airy sound. With the $300 saved, maybe I could put it towards a second mid-fi headphone that has fuller mids and smoother treble (HD650, Mad Dogs, or AKG 702 AE maybe?).

post #6476 of 18094
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Originally Posted by cheuh View Post

 

Thanks for sharing.smile.gif 

 

I might go with the HE-400 because of the cleaner bass and more spacious/airy sound. With the $300 saved, maybe I could put it towards a second mid-fi headphone that has fuller mids and smoother treble (HD650, Mad Dogs, or AKG 702 AE maybe?).


I'd say HD650 is the perfect complement to the HE-400.

post #6477 of 18094

Tomorrow, finally, i receive my he-500 with hardwired norseaudio norn and denon pads.

i´m really curiousk701smile.gif

post #6478 of 18094
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Here is my modded Emotiva Mini-X.  It was fun.  wink.gif

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/1560

 

That's very interesting. What is the power output for ~38 ohms at the speaker taps on the mini-x?

 

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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

I'm listening to some EDM with HE-500s and man, they really excel with this genre. IMO better than HE-400.

However, I think HE-400's still better with Jazz, due to its more spacious/airy and dynamic sound.

I have one complain though: There's some "cable noise" with the stock silver cable, which can be heard when I drag it. Is this a common thing with this cable? any way to fix it without having to buy another one(or use HE-400's)?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd007 View Post

The stock silver cables for the HE500 have terrible microphonics. I don't think there is any way to fix the issue (aside from trying not to move) without getting different cables unfortunately

 

Wasn't aware that the HE-500 came with stock silver cables. Were these for the later productions of the HE-500?

post #6479 of 18094
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Originally Posted by nk77 View Post

 

That's very interesting. What is the power output for ~38 ohms at the speaker taps on the mini-x?

 

 

 

Wasn't aware that the HE-500 came with stock silver cables. Were these for the later productions of the HE-500?


as far i know those are silver plated copper cables..but i can be wrong...in the past they used the canare cables..also copper.

post #6480 of 18094

On an unrelated note, I was going to try the damping removal mod that has been mentioned numerous times. I'm not sure how much damping you guys found inside your HE-500, but this is what I saw when I opened mine up:

 

 

 

 

Either the amount of damping has been vastly overstated, or Hifiman already did this mod for me.

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