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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

No, it does not need 5W. If you put 5W into the He6, your eardrum will be blown at the ~2W mark, let alone 5W.

 

What it does need, like any other high end cans, is quality power. Not as finicky as the 800, but still need quality power regardless

 

Here is an example to ponder.  My amp is 50wpc at 8 Ohms.  Driving the HE500(38 Ohms) at normal listening require volume knob at 10:30 to 11(occasionally).  Take a strong HP amp with rating of 1 watt at 50 Ohms, how much power do you think it's dumping into the HPs at normal listening level?  I wonder this myself too but can't seem to find any solid formula yet.

 

Also, one designed and made the headphones, the other tests and listens to lots of headphones.  Which one should we believe?  Care to vote, anyone?

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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post


Well, but that's my point. I see a lot of people here saying all you need is power. "Buy x amp. It will pump 1kkkk W into your headphones. It will drive any ortho fine"


Power is only 1 part of the equation.  Quality is the other.  But with enough decent pwr, you will already enjoy these HPs much more.  Then if you care to further improve SQ, you can always hunt for higher end speaker amp.  This is exactly what I am doing now.  I started out from a little Fiio E17, then E9K.  Recently, I took a big jump in power to the Emotiva mini-X.  There's been improvement at each step with the last jump resulting in significant positive improvements.  Next, I am going to try higher end vintage amps that are in $$$$ range.  So far, I have been able to personally verify that the HE500 responds very well with more power behind it.  I do believe that you can get a good $1000 speaker amp that will outperform similar priced HP amps, at least for these orthos anyway.

 

Also, I still don't have a problem listening to the HE500 with the E17 or E9K driving it (I am now as typing this post).

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Well, one thing I can say for sure: Tyll doesn't sell amplifiers, nor headphones.

Also, I really doubt headphone designers are thinking about which amp it would pair well with when making a headphone. Actually, sometimes they don't even know which pad would be better.


Edited by Okamoto - 7/23/13 at 4:44pm
post #6454 of 18030
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

 

Here is an example to ponder.  My amp is 50wpc at 8 Ohms.  Driving the HE500(38 Ohms) at normal listening require volume knob at 10:30 to 11(occasionally).  Take a strong HP amp with rating of 1 watt at 50 Ohms, how much power do you think it's dumping into the HPs at normal listening level?  I wonder this myself too but can't seem to find any solid formula yet.

 

Also, one designed and made the headphones, the other tests and listens to lots of headphones.  Which one should we believe?  Care to vote, anyone?

Problem is you don't know how much power the emotiva is putting out at that volume level - unless you have measuring equipment. Same goes for the headphone amp. Let's say for the He500 - to reach 110dB (very loud) you'll only need 178mW and 2.6Vrms. 

 

Hifiman recommend the power rating because amp makers aren't usually honest with their spec. If they quote you 1W, it doesn't mean that the thing will run well at all stages of said 1W. Also said power recommendation is for speaker amp (at 8 ohm) - the power at 38 ohm and 50 ohm will be less.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

 

Here is an example to ponder.  My amp is 50wpc at 8 Ohms.  Driving the HE500(38 Ohms) at normal listening require volume knob at 10:30 to 11(occasionally).  Take a strong HP amp with rating of 1 watt at 50 Ohms, how much power do you think it's dumping into the HPs at normal listening level?  I wonder this myself too but can't seem to find any solid formula yet.

 

Also, one designed and made the headphones, the other tests and listens to lots of headphones.  Which one should we believe?  Care to vote, anyone?

i will ponder ur ponder.biggrin.gif my 337 officially only has 1.5-2w (its modded, dont know exactly how much more watts the original)watts...but if i go beyond 23:00 my ears start ringing..its unbarable...most of my visiting friends are deafer then me i guess as when they come they listen to it around 22:30.(yes they always want that even for a short while..its nuts!!)..and thats LOUD...so why is it that an amp as powerfull as urs has the volume knob for normal listening at almost same position as my amp....theoretically my amp should had the volume knob on around 16:00 if we looked at the max power delivery of both..but it doesnt..

 

so i am also very very curious how this can be.....or do i happen to have some kind of superman headphone amp without knowing it (maybe the modder was an alien? eek.gif he looked alien alright..as he was so old..) so i hope nobody will take kryptonite with them when they visit me..wink.gif

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Problem is you don't know how much power the emotiva is putting out at that volume level - unless you have measuring equipment. Same goes for the headphone amp. Let's say for the He500 - to reach 110dB (very loud) you'll only need 178mW and 2.6Vrms. 

 

Hifiman recommend the power rating because amp makers aren't usually honest with their spec. If they quote you 1W, it doesn't mean that the thing will run well at all stages of said 1W. Also said power recommendation is for speaker amp (at 8 ohm) - the power at 38 ohm and 50 ohm will be less.

I really think Hifiman lies about their ortho headphone sensitivities. They seem to be lower than what they are advertised to be.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


Power is only 1 part of the equation.  Quality is the other.  But with enough decent pwr, you will already enjoy these HPs much more.  Then if you care to further improve SQ, you can always hunt for higher end speaker amp.  This is exactly what I am doing now.  I started out from a little Fiio E17, then E9K.  Recently, I took a big jump in power to the Emotiva mini-X.  There's been improvement at each step with the last jump resulting in significant positive improvements.  Next, I am going to try higher end vintage amps that are in $$$$ range.  So far, I have been able to personally verify that the HE500 responds very well with more power behind it.  I do believe that you can get a good $1000 speaker amp that will outperform similar priced HP amps, at least for these orthos anyway.

 

Also, I still don't have a problem listening to the HE500 with the E17 or E9K driving it (I am now as typing this post).


there is only one problem with buying quality  vintage amps..my friend did that once..and he loves his golden marantz amp deeply...but he warned me that most of those older marantz/macintosh/krell/luxman (and other quality amps from the past) wonderfull amps need a big overhaul sooner or later to sound perfect again or even be reliable...and so be prepaired to spend huge amount of extra money to do that....and overhauled vintage quality amps are very much wanted and so  expensive because the sellers know that!

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I really think Hifiman lies about their ortho headphone sensitivities. They seem to be lower than what they are advertised to be.


+1 i agree also...its for sure not a fixed number..the number is almost different.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I really think Hifiman lies about their ortho headphone sensitivities. They seem to be lower than what they are advertised to be.


I concur with this.  This is why when I said I get great volume and ok SQ on the HE500 straight from my Samsung tablet, people think I am insane or have super sensitive ears.

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


there is only one problem with buying quality  vintage amps..my friend did that once..and he loves his golden marantz amp deeply...but he warned me that most of those older marantz/macintosh/krell/luxman (and other quality amps from the past) wonderfull amps need a big overhaul sooner or later to sound perfect again or even be reliable...and so be prepaired to spend huge amount of extra money to do that....and overhauled vintage quality amps are very much wanted and so  expensive because the sellers know that!


Remember we wondered about this before, hifimanrookie?  Only a few pages back I think.  Back at it, people.  biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


Remember we wondered about this before, hifimanrookie?  Only a few pages back I think.  Back at it, people.  biggrin.gif


oopsie...my bad deadhorse.gif

post #6462 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


there is only one problem with buying quality  vintage amps..my friend did that once..and he loves his golden marantz amp deeply...but he warned me that most of those older marantz/macintosh/krell/luxman (and other quality amps from the past) wonderfull amps need a big overhaul sooner or later to sound perfect again or even be reliable...and so be prepaired to spend huge amount of extra money to do that....and overhauled vintage quality amps are very much wanted and so  expensive because the sellers know that!


That's why I am buying mine overhauled already.  Pay a little more up front, less headaches down the road.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


Remember we wondered about this before, hifimanrookie?  Only a few pages back I think.  Back at it, people.  biggrin.gif

If you are aiming at vintage high quality stuff, then you must already know the cost that goes with it, especially with valve gears. Let's say for the McIntosh 275 (very popular and affordable), the cost of rolling NOS 6550 alone will make your wallet shiver. Don't get me started on quality preamp and phase-splitter valves tongue_smile.gif.

 

On the other hand, restored SS amps while not cheap, have a very high resale value. Say if you acquired a fully recap/restored Pioneer Sx-1980 you can sell it back (almost instantly) with little to no loss.

post #6464 of 18030
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

If you are aiming at vintage high quality stuff, then you must already know the cost that goes with it, especially with valve gears. Let's say for the McIntosh 275 (very popular and affordable), the cost of rolling NOS 6550 alone will make your wallet shiver. Don't get me started on quality preamp and phase-splitter valves tongue_smile.gif.

 

On the other hand, restored SS amps while not cheap, have a very high resale value. Say if you acquired a fully recap/restored Pioneer Sx-1980 you can sell it back (almost instantly) with little to no loss.

lol, exactly the pioneer I was looking at along with Sansui 9090.  Saw a completely overhauled Marantz 2600 that dropped my jaw last nite, too.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARANTZ-MODEL-2600-AM-FM-STEREO-RECEIVER-CABINET-DLB-1-MINT-AND-FULLY-RESTORED-/281130467495?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item4174ae80a7

 

Now, I regret selling my vintage amps years ago very much.  mad.gif

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

lol, exactly the pioneer I was looking at along with Sansui 9090.  Saw a completely overhauled Marantz 2600 that dropped my jaw last nite, too.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARANTZ-MODEL-2600-AM-FM-STEREO-RECEIVER-CABINET-DLB-1-MINT-AND-FULLY-RESTORED-/281130467495?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item4174ae80a7

 

Now, I regret selling my vintage amps years ago very much.  mad.gif

i know how u feel...i myself owned a top model golden marantz,a luxman and a pioneer once back in the good old days..when i had to much money to spend while being single'ish and having a good paid job./...biggrin.gif now i am married, have a kid of 10, a house and bills to pay...so my budget got a trillion times less to spend on this hobby (or any hobby i have) nowadays redface.gif

 

 

UPDATE: guys am going to bed...its 2:29am..this lastpart of this thread is again like old  times...open talks about everything concerning the he500... have a good one!


Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/23/13 at 5:30pm
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