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+1. 

The man can't seem to take a joke when it comes to his HE500 and 337/339...

Heck, joke on me : I am calling all HE500/Fiio E17 combo owners.  Let me know what you all think.

I am listening to mine right now at work and still enjoy my music tremendously.

 

How do you find the E17? I might consider picking one up in the future. I used the E10 with HE-500 for two months and it was still good. I might get a HE-400 later on for portable use around the house, so the E17 seems interesting.

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How do you find the E17? I might consider picking one up in the future. I used the E10 with HE-500 for two months and it was still good. I might get a HE-400 later on for portable use around the house, so the E17 seems interesting.


The fact that E17 is DAC/amp combo.  I find it perfect to use on the go.  For my Q701, I run it on +6 gain, +2 or +4 bass depending on music genre.  E17 adds a touch of warmth to the overall sound so it helps the Q701 to be a bit less dry/analytical.  With the HE500, I have to run it on +12 gain, no EQ, volume about 50% (30-32/60).  On well recorded music, I personally believe that the E17 is a great little on the go dac/amp.  Of course, powerwise, it can't compare with the E9K/Emotiva at home or other better amps but I think it's far from being "inadequate", "crap","intolerable" like some people here suggest.  Maybe, I am not as picky and my ears are not well trained as some but I think i do know when I hear decent/good sound from my experience/background in music/recording/home theater.  Playing multi instruments since 6 until now (daily) starting with violin, then guitar(acoustic/electric), bass, piano, drum and sax, I can say my ears are not too shabby(or maybe, they are already shot wink.gif).  and Yes, I have all these instruments at home.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


The fact that E17 is DAC/amp combo.  I find it perfect to use on the go.  For my Q701, I run it on +6 gain, +2 or +4 bass depending on music genre.  E17 adds a touch of warmth to the overall sound so it helps the Q701 to be a bit less dry/analytical.  With the HE500, I have to run it on +12 gain, no EQ, volume about 50% (30-32/60).  On well recorded music, I personally believe that the E17 is a great little on the go dac/amp.  Of course, powerwise, it can't compare with the E9K/Emotiva at home or other better amps but I think it's far from being "inadequate", "crap","intolerable" like some people here suggest.  Maybe, I am not as picky and my ears are not well trained as some but I think i do know when I hear decent/good sound from my experience/background in music/recording/home theater.  Playing multi instruments since 6 until now (daily) starting with violin, then guitar(acoustic/electric), bass, piano, drum and sax, I can say my ears are not too shabby(or maybe, they are already shot wink.gif).  and Yes, I have all these instruments at home.

 

Thanks a bunch. If I get a E17, the rig will be tailored around casual listening/watching shows and movies. I'm not expecting Emotiva style full on bass, just something decent enough that I can enjoy :)

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and if you all think that this hobby is biased and subjective, my other hobby, japanese koi, is even worse.  My kois are always pretty in my eyes. biggrin.gif  And yes, ever since I started this new hobby with HPs, I have thought of letting some of my beloved pets go.  1 koi = HD800 + WA7. deadhorse.gifbut it's too hard to choose which one to let go.  I love them all.


Edited by koiloco - 7/17/13 at 2:11pm
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and if you all think that this hobby is biased and subjective, my other hobby, japanese koi, is even worse.  My kois are always pretty in my eyes. biggrin.gif  And yes, ever since I started this new hobby with HPs, I have thought of letting some of my beloved pets go.  1 koi = HD800 + WA7. deadhorse.gifbut it's too hard to choose which one to let go.  I love them all.

 

I had no clue what you were talking about so I had to look it up. Ran into this: http://www.koi.jpn.com/index.php/koi-for-sale/all-koi

 

Please tell me there is something wrong with those prices. eek.gif

 

EDIT: nvm. Just read up on them. Seems like they can go anywhere from $30 to couple of thousands depending on the patterns produced. The costly ones are quite rare in terms of genetics. TIL. I was thinking of getting an aquarium in the future, so good read.


Edited by Zoom25 - 7/17/13 at 2:36pm
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I had no clue what you were talking about so I had to look it up. Ran into this: http://www.koi.jpn.com/index.php/koi-for-sale/all-koi

 

Please tell me there is something wrong with those prices. eek.gif


Zoom25,  Your eyes are not playing tricks with you.  While I am not that insane or could afford some of those you see, the cheapest one I bought 4, 5 years ago when it was around 18" or so was $2k.  Forward that price 5 years, add another 14" in length, you could imagine the current price.  So after all, head-fiers are not that crazy in my eyes when it comes to HPs, amps and exotic cables.  I am well prepared.  biggrin.gif

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Zoom25,  Your eyes are not playing tricks with you.  While I am not that insane or could afford some of those you see, the cheapest one I bought 4, 5 years ago when it was around 18" or so was $2k.  Forward that price 5 years, add another 14" in length, you could imagine the current price.  So after all, head-fiers are not that crazy in my eyes when it comes to HPs, amps and exotic cables.  I am well prepared.  biggrin.gif

 

Yup, gotcha. You can probably get a Stax out of that koi.

post #6323 of 14586
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Head-fi is in a similar state as well. Summit-fi is still okay, but rest of the threads on the normal headphone thread are quite similar to that subreddit.

 

Yea.... unfortunately so

post #6324 of 14586
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


Zoom25,  Your eyes are not playing tricks with you.  While I am not that insane or could afford some of those you see, the cheapest one I bought 4, 5 years ago when it was around 18" or so was $2k.  Forward that price 5 years, add another 14" in length, you could imagine the current price.  So after all, head-fiers are not that crazy in my eyes when it comes to HPs, amps and exotic cables.  I am well prepared.  biggrin.gif

Wow, that's a lot of money being thrown at scale pigment randomization of fish.

 

Do koi enthusiasts breed their koi and hope for the best? Or do they just grow them?

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Wow, that's a lot of money being thrown at scale pigment randomization of fish.

 

Do koi enthusiasts breed their koi and hope for the best? Or do they just grow them?

 

Koiloco knows best, but from what I read, getting a "good" pattern that fetches over $1k typically have a rarity of 1 in 5000. I don't see how majority of the koi enthusiasts are going to be raising 5000 of them to get one desirable fish. I'd probably expect this to be more industrialized.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Wow, that's a lot of money being thrown at scale pigment randomization of fish.

 

Do koi enthusiasts breed their koi and hope for the best? Or do they just grow them?


@jerg, 

Here in the US, enthusiasts, just like with any other hobbies, try to experience the entire process :) but most like myself will change direction once realizing the odd.  Here is an example. 10 years ago, I would buy 10 baby kois of good quality @ $200 each (10 - 12") of the type I am interested in and grow them.  Out of those 10, because of sickness, change in pattern/body shape during growth ..., I would be lucky to end up with 1 or 2 at the end of a 2, 3 years grow out that I would consider keeping.  The time, effort and cost are all against me in this scenario.  Therefore, later in the hobby, I would invest in older, more mature(pattern, body...) kois that of course cost at least 10x but it's a safer route.  Breeding koi is an entire different art/skill set that I myself would not dare to venture into because of associated risks/expenses.  Some will do it just for the experience but not for expected return.  I can safely say that koi enthusiasts in other parts of the world follow a similar patterns.  Japan remains not the only one, but the best place/source for super high quality koi and growing environment.  I have friends who went to Japan, bought kois and keep them over there in mud pond for couple years to grow before bringing them back to the US.  I can spend days telling you about this hobby and barely scratch the surface.  It's a fascinating, crazy hobby.  I will leave it as that.


Edited by koiloco - 7/17/13 at 8:55pm
post #6327 of 14586
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Koiloco knows best, but from what I read, getting a "good" pattern that fetches over $1k typically have a rarity of 1 in 5000. I don't see how majority of the koi enthusiasts are going to be raising 5000 of them to get one desirable fish. I'd probably expect this to be more industrialized.

koi culling is done at different stages starting not long after hatching depending on the types.  Single color ones don't go through much culling but pattern/multi color ones go through very heavy selection.  Part of the reason why they are expensive.

post #6328 of 14586
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

koi culling is done at different stages starting not long after hatching depending on the types.  Single color ones don't go through much culling but pattern/multi color ones go through very heavy selection.  Part of the reason why they are expensive.

 

lol Summit-fi koi fishes. 

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Ohhh my god! I never thought I'm gonna hear music like that from the headphones!

 

 


Edited by michbest - 7/18/13 at 6:40am
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Ohhh my god! I never thought I'm gonna hear music like that from the headphones!

 

 

Very nice picture - perfect for a cellphone background cool.gif

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