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post #6136 of 18011
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Originally Posted by SamHedges View Post

I'm looking forward to hearing the DV337 at the October meet, I'll be sure to post my impressions. It's a pity I won't get to try this super amp you're having built though!

yeah..i wish i had my new amp ready at that time..but i think u will like my humble 337 also.. biggrin.gif

So ur welcome to hear it..but one thing..u know it will be with my source right? The hm602...it gives a very special flavor to the sound... I am not using a pc as source with seperated dac..so i think that influences the sound of my rig in a big way...

So maybe one will be helpful to try my amp out with a pc and a good dac? wink.gif
post #6137 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Just to add in to the cable mix. Recently on the LCD-3 thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/575751/new-audeze-lcd3/7635

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we use a super high end cable all the way through and then the final bit is basic, what happens to all the good stuff coming through the custom cables. I've noticed that after you get beyond a certain point and take care of stuff like microphonics, sheathing from interferences and resistance, and having a solid build quality, there isn't much difference especially when the final bit of wire is quite standard. Just throwing it out there. Some cable for thought.

Unless otherwise stated, it's likely the manufacturer uses OFC wire in their cables.  Considering the entire chain in any setup, the audio path has a long way to go and the vast majority of it is not through anything fancy, but that doesn't really matter because all the resistance/conductivity of the materials used are already accounted for in the design.  All the capacitors, resistors, tubes, opamps, PCB tracings, connectors...the speaker's voice coil/tracing, etc.  Take the HE-500 driver housing itself, the signal goes from a gold-plated copper cup connector to SPC wire, to the driver connector joint, through the aluminum film tracings and back out the same process.  Changing the values somewhere in the chain will indeed alter the audio path's resistance/conductivity, but the chances of it being audible are slim (statistically speaking) unless you make a large jump in resistance like going from a relatively pure copper to a relatively pure silver which has the highest conductivity value after copper.  I imagine if you really want to hear a bigger difference, wouldn't it make more sense to use something with lower resistance in the pre-amplified stage (like an interconnect between source and amp) as it would be more audible in post-amplification?

 

I agree that beyond cable build quality, there's little left to be gained over OFC.  Of course you want something that looks and feels nice, but first consider if paying the premium for OCC is worth the extra  >0.0001% purity rating.  *puts down the cross and sword, slowly backs away* tongue.gif

post #6138 of 18011

@modulor,

 

As always, thx for an honest and logical assessment when it comes to cable.  With a degree in computer engineering in hardware and software, all these reading about cable upgrades still makes my head spin in both amazement and disbelief sometimes biggrin.gif  even with my long experience in pro audio/home theater equipment.  Fun reading as I put it, whether the material is technically right or wrong.

post #6139 of 18011
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

@modulor,

 

As always, thx for an honest and logical assessment when it comes to cable.  With a degree in computer engineering in hardware and software, all these reading about cable upgrades still makes my head spin in both amazement and disbelief sometimes biggrin.gif  even with my long experience in pro audio/home theater equipment.  Fun reading as I put it, whether the material is technically right or wrong.


thats funny u say that..i am a procurement specialist with IT as my speciality...hardware and software solutions..and i do that for 10 years no...so u guess i know one thing or two about cabling and insides of electronic equipment..and i was a unbeliever for a long time..i have dear friends who can put an alarmsystem together (well with one eye open wink.gif) worthy to stop almost anything...with their eyes closed and one friend is the head of the IT department of one of the largest bank in the netherlands for 30 years now...so i know how technical scholared/experienced people think about the hausse concerning cabling..whether power, source or headphone cables...but until now...everyone who listened to my rig..wont put his hand in the fire anymore saying cables dont help to better the sound-output.. some still think that its rubbish to spend the amount of money i did (or more for others)..but they agree A BIT that cables can change the quality of the soundoutput...

but as i said..most of those as i call them..technoheads... still think spending so much money on cabling on any equipment is rubbish...

 

but funny is that some of them spend thousands of euros on their pc equipment..PER YEAR...as..quoting one of them...they want to keep on top of the game...so they have a few more fps in gaming or editing speed or processing speed.... in my eyes thats silly...but hey...they call me sillly also... wink.gif so we are even beerchug.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/10/13 at 1:19pm
post #6140 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


thats funny u say that..i am a procurement specialist with IT as my speciality...hardware and software solutions..and i do that for 10 years no...so u guess i know one thing or two about cabling and insides of electronic equipment..and i was a unbeliever for a long time..i have dear friends who put an alarmsystem together worthy to top almost anything...with their eyes closed and one is the head of the It department of the largest bank in the netherlands for 30 years now...so i know how technical scholared/experienced people think about the hausse concerning cabling..whether power, source or headpdhone cables...but until now...everyone who listened to my rig..cant put his hand in the fire anymore saying cables dont help to better the sound-output.. some still think that its rubbish to spend the amount of money i did (or more for others)..but they agree A BIT that cables can change the quality of the soundoutput...

but as i said..most of those as i call them..technoheads... still think spending so much money on cabling on any equipment is rubbish...

 

but funny is that some of them spend thousands of euros on their pc equipment..PER YEAR...as..quoting one of them...they want to keep on top of the game...so they have a few more fps in gaming or editing speed or processing speed.... in my eyes thats silly...but hey...they call me sillly also... wink.gif so we are even beerchug.gif

All of our hobbies take us on fun adventures and as long as you're enjoying yourself along the way, more power to you!  It's all very personal, and as long as you enjoy your own audio system that's all that matters really, and never let anyone tell you otherwise!  I am in the same boat as your friends when it comes to upgrading my computer (not nearly as bad as them it sounds haha)...thousands of euros a year sounds a bit extreme to me!

post #6141 of 18011
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

All of our hobbies take us on fun adventures and as long as you're enjoying yourself along the way, more power to you!  It's all very personal, and as long as you enjoy your own audio system that's all that matters really, and never let anyone tell you otherwise!  I am in the same boat as your friends when it comes to upgrading my computer (not nearly as bad as them it sounds haha)...thousands of euros a year sounds a bit extreme to me!


It does sound excessive, doesn't it?  unless, they go for a complete new rig every year.  eek.gif  The last time I built my system was 4 years ago.  I went all out at the time with water cooling and dual top gpu at the time and it only cost me around $6k here in the US.  Though starting to show its age, my system is still capable of running all current graphic intensive games at max setting (1080p) and hoovering between 45 - 60fps. One of my close friends work for Nvidia (engineering department, thermal) and often offers me their latest cards but I don't want to rebuild my cooling loop.  Too much work.  Maybe, components are much more expensive in EU.  On the side notes, computer performance is much easier to benchmark and tested to verify performance increase even though the point of diminishing return also kicks in fast and hard by the time you hit top end stuffs. 

post #6142 of 18011
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

All of our hobbies take us on fun adventures and as long as you're enjoying yourself along the way, more power to you!  It's all very personal, and as long as you enjoy your own audio system that's all that matters really, and never let anyone tell you otherwise!  I am in the same boat as your friends when it comes to upgrading my computer (not nearly as bad as them it sounds haha)...thousands of euros a year sounds a bit extreme to me!

if u have a triple/dual sli geforce titan card config..u quickly go into thousands very fast very_evil_smiley.gif..but most of them buy a new motherboard/gpu/cpu/mem/sdd every year....and sometimes new better lcd screens..i caught that desease also....check my last pics..i am now in the proces in building a completely watercooled pc rig...my mem, motherboard, cpu, my harddisks and gpu are watercooled by two individual loops with its own pumps and radiators...oh well.....we work hard for our money..well most of us wink.gif  so let us spent our money on things we love...whether audio, cars, watches, pc equipment,fashion (for the italians/or women among us wink.gif) or women etc...as long its healthy for u...why not wink.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/10/13 at 1:48pm
post #6143 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

if u have a triple/dual sli geforce titan card config..u quickly go into thousands very fast very_evil_smiley.gif..but most of them buy a new motherboard/gpu/cpu/mem/sdd every year....and sometimes new better lcd screens..i caught that desease also....check my last pics..i am now in the proces in building a completely watercooled pc rig...my mem, motherboard, cpu, my harddisks and gpu are watercooled by two individual loops with its own pumps and radiators...oh well.....we work hard for our money..well most of us wink.gif  so let us spent our money on things we love...whether audio, cars, watches, pc equipment,fashion (for the italians/or women among us wink.gif) or women etc...as long its healthy for u...why not wink.gif


biggrin.gif well, now that makes sense.  80% component swap could cost you up to $4 , $5k easily.  My dual water-cooled gpu cost me close to $2k back then.  If you quad sli, it could really hurt your wallet.


Edited by koiloco - 7/10/13 at 1:58pm
post #6144 of 18011

Haha, too rich for my modest gaming rig's blood, but I can still make most games look quite pretty tongue.gif 

 

Now, back to HE-500 glorification! 

post #6145 of 18011
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

Haha, too rich for my modest gaming rig's blood, but I can still make most games look quite pretty tongue.gif

 

Now, back to HE-500 glorification! 


lolz...i agree..but only about the going back to he500 glorification thingie...biggrin.gif beerchug.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/10/13 at 2:33pm
post #6146 of 18011
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

Haha, too rich for my modest gaming rig's blood, but I can still make most games look quite pretty tongue.gif

 

Now, back to HE-500 glorification! 


Okie Okie, do you think the WA7 will be enough to glorify my HE500 at work? 

post #6147 of 18011
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post


Okie Okie, do you think the WA7 will be enough to glorify my HE500 at work? 


thats a sexy piece of equipment..when i was looking for an all in one solution for a dac and amp for my he500 i also checked this little beauty out...but i decided to go exotic as i received money from a friend of mine to who i borrowed the amount a long time ago..so i had a 4 times bigger budget then anticipated (without my wife knowing)....biggrin.gif but nevertheless...the wa7 is well worth its money!!! and its probably one of the most sexy looking amps i ever saw..AND affordable for 999usd (without the special tubes they offer additionally)...as its a dac and amp in one...

 

edit..i just read it only pumps out 1w at 32ohm (1 watt at 50ohm is the absolute minimum hifiman officially states for the he500 if i am not mistaken)...hope it will give enough current for the more dynamic music (like orchestra's and the like) to the he500. i guess u have to check one out then to find out wink.gif

 

i suppose for the he6 it wont be enough...so if ur planning to upgrade to he6 next year or so...choose other amp. IMHO ofcourse wink.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/10/13 at 4:34pm
post #6148 of 18011

Yeah, I'm thinking the WA7 may be more suitable for the likes of the HE-400, but I suspect it will drive the HE-500 decently.  They are going to have them for demo at the Capital Audio Fest in a few weeks, so I plan on trying my HE-500 out on them as well as other Woo Audio stuff.  I love the acrylic top, that's a pretty fantastic idea design-wise.

post #6149 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

if u have a triple/dual sli geforce titan card config..u quickly go into thousands very fast very_evil_smiley.gif..but most of them buy a new motherboard/gpu/cpu/mem/sdd every year....and sometimes new better lcd screens..i caught that desease also....check my last pics..i am now in the proces in building a completely watercooled pc rig...my mem, motherboard, cpu, my harddisks and gpu are watercooled by two individual loops with its own pumps and radiators...oh well.....we work hard for our money..well most of us wink.gif  so let us spent our money on things we love...whether audio, cars, watches, pc equipment,fashion (for the italians/or women among us wink.gif) or women etc...as long its healthy for u...why not wink.gif

 

Hmmm, I played around with watercooling earlier in the year (I have a Raystorm rig) and I don't think its really worth it for all the hassles etc. I also recently swapped out a couple of harddisk and in the process the waterpump molex connector came loose. I didn't notice this as the cable was hidden behind a shroud to make the case look neat and tidy. Took me some time to figure out why the PC didn't want to play nice anymore. I am fortunate that my PC didn't die. Not to mention that today's ATX cases are all large and clunky. So I've converted my PC back into a mini-ITX chassis and now it plays nice and quiet. 

 

Still enjoying the Emotiva mini-x amp and it has great clarity with low volumes too which is a bonus. I do miss the warmth and smoothness of the PS2 amp though, though it doesn't have as much slam and dynamics. Think it is time to build a cable for HE-500 with XLR adapters so I can alternate between the two amps. Then I can listen to the Emotiva while drinking a beer and the Sunrise 2 while sipping a whisky! I love excellent budget gear, allows you to have something of everything. The stakes are much higher with expensive gear!


Edited by daerron - 7/11/13 at 12:27am
post #6150 of 18011

A little OT, but is it possible for me to disable my video card and shut it down without doing so in BIOS. Like can I switch between onboard and my gtx570, cuz it is very noisy? Actually it is the only noisy component in my computer...

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