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post #601 of 18030
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I don't know. For me, I get such excellent sound, I forget the phones, which surprises me because of, as you mention, the weight. It just isn't an issue and I have 3 levels in my neck that they wanted to fuse at one time. 

post #602 of 18030

No doubt that it is possible, it's just that I found it noticeably easier on the O2.  And attention to that kind of detail is appreciated with products this expensive.  I wouldn't say it's a comfort issue for me (either), just another facet of the experience.

 

It's probably just a limitation of the technology, until they can find/use lighter neodymium magnets, or perhaps a lighter diaphragm and proportionally weaker, lighter magnets.


Edited by sphinxvc - 8/8/11 at 8:07am
post #603 of 18030

They just arrived via FedEx about an hour ago!  I was so excited that I got up when my girlfriend left for work (7:40 am), and it's my day off! I should of slept in! Oh well. I had to be awake to sign for the package anyway. I would of died on the inside if I had missed the delivery.

The headphones are big and heavy, but so far (they've been on since I got them) they haven't hurt my neck. They're very comfortable. These headphones actually fit my head better than my PRO 2900's do. I think the pads are slightly bigger, which helps my big ears.

These babies are also built like a tank. It definitely feels like a $900 headphone. I feel like the weight actually lends to the feeling of these headphones being serious business. It's almost as if the weight of them makes me feel like they're more worth it.

 

I wish they used a cable attachment system more similar to my PRO 2900's. It took me a bit too long to get the cable attached to these headphones. Maybe if I had smaller fingers I could of more easily turned the screw part on the coax connector. But, it's so beautifully simple on my PRO 2900's. It's just a 1/8" headphone cable with a screw end.

 

As for the cable itself: Yes, it's ridiculous how thick the stock cable is. However, is it really that heavy? I don't think so. It's not bothering me, and I've had the headphones on for 2 hours now.

Another thing: I wish that it had come with a 1/4" connector. Instead it comes with a 1/8", and a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter. I wish they had gone the other way around. I don't know of anyone buying $900 headphones to run out of an MP3 player.  But then, these headphones are supposed to be "portable." If they're portable, why are they an open back design? If they're portable, why are they so inefficient? ... and so forth.

Here they are resting on a $6 banana stand. I'm going to remove the hook and bend the stand a bit, but this will basically be where the headphones rest when not in use. For $6 you can't go wrong.
 

 

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I'll play some games later today and post back with impressions of that. As for music I'll just say that the bass goes as deep as the track demands, and they seem very neutral to me. I'm not good at writing poetry, so that's about all you'll get out of me.


Edited by Rebel975 - 8/8/11 at 11:26am
post #604 of 18030

Congrats with a pair of very, very capable headphones. dt880smile.png

post #605 of 18030

I've been putting these headphones through their paces and I have a few more things to say.

 

1) For open headphones they actually do a bit of isolating. They're certainly not as open as my PRO 2900's.

 

2) These things absolutely destroy the 2900's when it comes to bass. If a track calls for bass, it delivers with authority! I've been testing with some rap/hip hop (normally listen to metal/rock/etc.) and a couple bass tests. For the first time I can actually FEEL the impact of bass. For me, it's reminiscent of when I had a speaker system with a subwoofer. It's truly amazing how it goes along with whatever the music calls for. I guess that's what relatively neutral cans are all about, huh?

 

3) I've had them on for 6 hours (just stopping to grab food and go to the bathroom) and I'm still not bothered by the weight. I guess people are just different. I do recognize that these are heavy headphones, but it really doesn't bother me. The sound is just too addicting to take them off.

post #606 of 18030
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I can only assume your's have different drivers than mine did, or that the Isabellina makes all the difference... or... that there was some other difference that distinguishes the sound from yours... from the pair I had.  I'm fairly certain, that you would not have had that opinion if you had heard the pair I had, driven by my amps.

 

And... I also do not understand why they could not be driven well by my WA6 SEm, since so many others report their WA6 / WA6 SE amps drive them well.  That would also suggest that something is different about the pair I had - since my WA6 SEm drives all my other phones extremely well, and always has - though its getting better as the Blackgates burn in (still 100's of hours short of full burn in).   

 

They did sound very good in all aspects, except for their bass and lower mids, as I've described previously. 

 

And... I was very surprised that the EF5 (the newer CE / Full Music version) did nothing to improve their sound... but... actually made the bass and lower mids sound slower and thicker.  It had this effect with all my phones.

 

Of course... I may have placed unreasonable constraints on mine... given that I refuse to invest in an amp that is dedicated only to them (a la the Stax phones), such as the Lyr - especially, if those amps cost more than a $1,000 (e.g. Isabella and KGSS / BHSE for Stax, etc.).  But, based on various reviews and comments I had expected the HE-500's could be driven to excel, with very modest amps, and certainly by the WA6 SEm - which I found not to be the case.

 

And... finally... I have low tolerance for subtle differences that come at a high price, and great skepticism that such investments produce significant improvements in sound quality (of such magnitude that would justify the high price).  Though, admittedly, my definition of "significant improvement" may mean greater improvement than that of most others.         

 

 



Roger, I wish I had thought of it but the Graham Slee Solo SRGII w/ the PSU1 drives the HE500 beautifully. I could have loaned the amp!

post #607 of 18030
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I've been putting these headphones through their paces and I have a few more things to say.

 

1) For open headphones they actually do a bit of isolating. They're certainly not as open as my PRO 2900's.

 



Short story.  Left the LCD2s to burn in some more while I was at work today.  Sometime during the day my wife gets tired of hearing the same track playing in my office and goes and turns off the Anedio.  Surprised she figured out how but never mind.  Anyhow I get home from work turn everything back on, looking forward to doing some more comparisons against the HE-500.  Figured I would put on some classic rock to warm up, put on an album and hit play.   Put on the HE-500s and started reading emails, the first track isn't even one I like but being to lazy to switch I just mentally checked out to concentrate on the emails.  I know this particular album starts off at a pretty low level but I was surprised at how low level it was coming through, oh well, back to emails.  When it got to the part where the volume should be picking up I noticed it was still very quiet.  I quickly check the settings in my software, turn around (everything is behind me) look over at the anedio, it is turned up pretty loud according to the LED, look at the headphone stand, look back at the anedio, realize that the LCD-2s are plugged in (and playing), and I am wearing the HE-500s.blink.gif  DOH.. Both headphones are pretty transparent to external sound :)

 

 

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Short story.  Left the LCD2s to burn in some more while I was at work today.  Sometime during the day my wife gets tired of hearing the same track playing in my office and goes and turns off the Anedio.  Surprised she figured out how but never mind.  Anyhow I get home from work turn everything back on, looking forward to doing some more comparisons against the HE-500.  Figured I would put on some classic rock to warm up, put on an album and hit play.   Put on the HE-500s and started reading emails, the first track isn't even one I like but being to lazy to switch I just mentally checked out to concentrate on the emails.  I know this particular album starts off at a pretty low level but I was surprised at how low level it was coming through, oh well, back to emails.  When it got to the part where the volume should be picking up I noticed it was still very quiet.  I quickly check the settings in my software, turn around (everything is behind me) look over at the anedio, it is turned up pretty loud according to the LED, look at the headphone stand, look back at the anedio, realize that the LCD-2s are plugged in (and playing), and I am wearing the HE-500s.blink.gif  DOH.. Both headphones are pretty transparent to external sound :)

Lol

post #609 of 18030

lol, believe it or not, I've had a similar experience before. Was busy with other things so it took me a few minutes to realize what was happening. Felt like an idiot afterwards.

post #610 of 18030
Thread Starter 

I feel better now, having done this the other day. The phones were about 3 feet away. Funny. . . 

post #611 of 18030

My final thoughts on these headphones until after they've had a chance to burn in:

 

I went into a game of Nazi Zombies on the Xbox, via my Astro Mixamp and tested whether or not I could pin point where sounds were coming from. To me, the PRO 2900's and HE-500's are comparable when it comes to accuracy and distance at which you can hear things approaching.

 

The PRO 2900 had a slightly more "in your head" feeling when it came to sounds. Or, perhaps the HE-500 has a slightly more "out of head" experience with Dolby Headphone. With the HE-500 it seemed like my gun firing was a bit further in front of me than with the 2900's. Is that good or bad? Hard to say. Personally I don't think it makes any difference. I just have to get use to a slightly "bigger"(?) sound experience with these cans.

 

But as far as the game sounds go, once again they were comparable. I of course saw general sound quality improvements that came along with switching to a better headphone, but it wasn't anything too major for gaming.

 

I've also modified my mic to fit over the HE-500's earpad. I'll post a pic after I put some braiding on it. It's kind of messy at the moment- duct tape all over it.

post #612 of 18030

So - which sounds best - the LCD2's through the HE500 or the HE500 through the LCD2?
 

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Short story.  Left the LCD2s to burn in some more while I was at work today.  Sometime during the day my wife gets tired of hearing the same track playing in my office and goes and turns off the Anedio.  Surprised she figured out how but never mind.  Anyhow I get home from work turn everything back on, looking forward to doing some more comparisons against the HE-500.  Figured I would put on some classic rock to warm up, put on an album and hit play.   Put on the HE-500s and started reading emails, the first track isn't even one I like but being to lazy to switch I just mentally checked out to concentrate on the emails.  I know this particular album starts off at a pretty low level but I was surprised at how low level it was coming through, oh well, back to emails.  When it got to the part where the volume should be picking up I noticed it was still very quiet.  I quickly check the settings in my software, turn around (everything is behind me) look over at the anedio, it is turned up pretty loud according to the LED, look at the headphone stand, look back at the anedio, realize that the LCD-2s are plugged in (and playing), and I am wearing the HE-500s.blink.gif  DOH.. Both headphones are pretty transparent to external sound :)

 

 



 

post #613 of 18030
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So - which sounds best - the LCD2's through the HE500 or the HE500 through the LCD2?
 



 



I should try stacking them!  but my head is too large for either to fit over the other.. :)

 

 

post #614 of 18030

BTW, Headroom has a b-stock HE-500 on sale for $799 in case anyone was interested.... 

post #615 of 18030

experimenting with some scaling between the HE-500 and LCD-2.  There is no doubt that the HE-500 scales with, and benefits from more power.  The LCD2 does not and in fact has some very minor problems. For the HE-500 the bass becomes much more articulate, the attack is better, the already great mid-treble becomes even more defined, air and decay also improve.  Imaging, separation, staging, etc are about the same..  I had previously experienced this but did not have the LCD2 to compare to so I thought it was a worthwhile experiment. 

 

In contrast the LCD-2 doesn't scale (improve) and at the face melting end of the dial it suffers from some compression artifacts (horn sound), probably induced by the ear pads.  I exaggerate to some degree, it doesn't quite require face melting volumes, it becomes apparent at much lower volumes once  you notice but gets more noticeable at higher volumes.   There is also some resonance artifact that I have not been able to pin down, reverb, but not.. hmmm.. I was really trying to avoid turning this into a science experiment as I want to spend more time with my turntable.  I will probably put the LD2s away for awhile and come back to them when Fang gets the leather earpads done for the HE-500.  Bottom line, the HE-500 to me is better balanced, benefits from more power, and the top end, while not as entertaining as the easy to drive big bass LCD2 on the surface (at first listen), is more critical in every day listening and ultimately more satisfying on the HE-500.  Still want the best of both.

 

 

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