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Hi all, has anyone tried the he-500 with a Cambridge audio A500, using speaker taps? The amp is rated at 65 watts into 8 ohms. I'm buying a he-500,and looking to amp options, either a lyr, bottlehead s.e.x, or my speaker amp. Thoughts?
post #5882 of 14162
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Originally Posted by Jesterphile View Post

I'm suggesting that the HE500 has no hidden potential if you drive it sufficiently. I would say the O2 does not drive it sufficiently (as much as I wanted the O2 to be the best amp ever)

 

Just my 2c

 

Why do you keep scapegoating the O2? It doesn't meet the manufacturer's requirements to drive the 500 to the maximum. The He-500 at it's peaks draws about 1W , the O2 supplies around 600mw. Leave the O2 out of this.

 

 

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

I just don't even.... 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/545805/schiit-audio-lyr-my-first-impressions

 

I think he might be knowledgeable enough to state so.

 

 

 

Model HE-4 HE-5LE HE-500 HE-6
Rec. power 2 watts 2 watts 1 watt 8 watts
Drive magnetostatic; magnets on one side; aluminum traces magnetostatic; magnets on both sides; aluminum traces magnetostatic; magnets on both sides; aluminum traces magnetostatic; magnets on both sides; gold traces
Response 10Hz - 60kHz 10Hz - 60kHz 10Hz - 40kHz 8Hz - 65kHz
Impedance 38Ω 38Ω 38Ω 50Ω
Sensitivity 86dB/1mW 87.5dB/1mW 89dB/1mW 83.5dB/1mW
Weight w/o cable ca. 350g ca. 400g ca. 500g ca. 500g

Edited by eke2k6 - 7/1/13 at 6:20pm
post #5883 of 14162
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Why do you keep scapegoating the O2? It doesn't meet the manufacturer's requirements to drive the 500 to the maximum. The He-500 at it's peaks draws about 1W (as per the hifiman website), the O2 supplies around 600mw. Leave the O2 out of this.

 

I would say you need an amp that can supply at minimum 1W for optimal performance, same for the LCD-2s

 

I only mention the O2 because others are discussing it in this thread, and it is a good example of an amp with insufficient power for the HE500's that gets asked about a lot.

post #5884 of 14162

I d'ont care what the headfi gods might say about the lyr and the he 6. I own both he 500 and he 6 and I own the lyr and lyr can't drive he 6 properly. not by a long shot. bass lacks weight and impact and is not tight at all, soundstage is unimpressive and treble is both piercing and unpleasant.  my 3 channel b22 does a better job than the lyr I find, but both amps are less than optimal choices with he 6. b22 is stellar with he 500. really impressive.

 

lyr is a very decent amp with he 500. especially if you have upgraded with great nos tubes.

post #5885 of 14162
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Originally Posted by Radioking59 View Post

 

He's talking about the proverbial 11 from Spinal Tap fame, not 11 o'clock on the Emotiva.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven

 

Ahhhh I see. Thanks for the clarification. TIL. beerchug.gif

post #5886 of 14162
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Originally Posted by Hedonism View Post

Hi there, I'm going to be moving up from a Hifiman HE-400 to a Hifiman HE-500 sometime tomorrow hopefully. I'd like to know the cheapest (non-DIY) method to connect the Hifiman HE-500s to an Emotiva A-100 amp. 

 

I'd also like to know how the Lyr pairs with the Hifiman HE-500s, or if there are any better alternatives in that price range (aside from the Emotiva amp).

 

Thanks in advance.

Lyr can drive the HE500 with Full Authority… with that being said, i own EF5 which is more than capable of driving the HE500 also...


Edited by knights - 7/1/13 at 7:28pm
post #5887 of 14162

Out of all the things we can talk about. It keeps coming back to O2, Emotiva and amplification requirements. This has to be THE greenest thread on Head-fi. Stuff gets recycled on a weekly basis.

 

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Funny enough, I haven't seen many people here report that they are using the O2. It just always comes up as an example of a sissy amp, when in reality it's actually decently powerful. Don't act surprised when there's a counteraction to the speaker amp narcissism.

post #5889 of 14162
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

+1 Seriously... we need to just start telling people "Yes the O2 can drive it. Now go be happy and don't bother us again."

 

In fact... that's probably what I'll do from now on.biggrin.gif

 

To be fair, I think the whole O2 thing has gone down a little bit over the past few months with regards to planars. Credit to the head-fi community on that.

 

The new emerging theme seems to be about whether speaker amps are needed or not, or if they are overkill. I personally don't see the heat that speaker amps are getting. They are usually cheaper, have enough headroom, and most importantly can drive speakers. People should seriously try it out for themselves. Even if they don't like it with headphones, they can always use it with speakers. I find speakers to be much less pickier than headphones with amplification and all that synergy stuff. At least that's what my perspective was when I picked up speaker amps.

post #5890 of 14162
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

To be fair, I think the whole O2 thing has gone down a little bit over the past few months with regards to planars. Credit to the head-fi community on that.

 

The new emerging theme seems to be about whether speaker amps are needed or not, or if they are overkill. I personally don't see the heat that speaker amps are getting. They are usually cheaper, have enough headroom, and most importantly can drive speakers. People should seriously try it out for themselves. Even if they don't like it with headphones, they can always use it with speakers. I find speakers to be much less pickier than headphones with amplification and all that synergy stuff. At least that's what my perspective was when I picked up speaker amps.

True, true... back in 2011 the only viable option was the Lyr. Of course there were vintage speaker amps, but finding one that was fully restored was a pain in the ass and they were often even more expensive than the Lyr.

 

I think it's great we have a currently produced amp that is affordable (around $200) that can do an even better job than the Lyr. The only problem is that people have to come up with interconnects for the speaker taps. It also comes with a generous return policy so people can just return the damn thing without getting angry at me.

 

The Lyr is still great but if people are curious they don't have to shell out big bucks and go hunting for rare vintage Marantz/Pioneer receivers that have been restored and weigh a ton.


Edited by M-13 - 7/1/13 at 8:25pm
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you dont always have to run off the speaker taps for the vintage receivers. my he-500 runs perfect from the headphone out on my pioneer sx-780 that i bought for $93 in pretty good shape. i use less than half of the volume, sometimes only 1/3 and its great. it does still weigh like 25 pounds, but i'm not moving it around so that doesn't matter as much.

post #5892 of 14162
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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post

you dont always have to run off the speaker taps for the vintage receivers. my he-500 runs perfect from the headphone out on my pioneer sx-780 that i bought for $93 in pretty good shape. i use less than half of the volume, sometimes only 1/3 and its great. it does still weigh like 25 pounds, but i'm not moving it around so that doesn't matter as much.

Running it from the headphone out is the point of vintage receivers right? It's pretty much the same as running them from the speaker taps because they didn't use op-amp at the time. Modern receivers have worse headphone outs, but the vintage ones don't. I think you just gave a great/cheap example of why Lyr isn't the only option. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if your amp sounds better than my Emotiva.


Edited by M-13 - 7/1/13 at 8:04pm
post #5893 of 14162
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Several months before this 6Moons review (which is where you go this chart) Fang himself said the HE-500 can be driven from most portable devices and did not require a seperate amp. The HE-500 was actually called the HE-6P (P for portable). After a few months he amended this claim and said the HE-500 requires a desktop amp with at least 1 Watt. So his words are not set in stone.

 

M-13, Fang did not lie about this but wasn't 100% correct either I guess.  I do get decent volume on the HE500 straight from my Samsung tablet.  Underpowered?  of course but surprising decent volume (more than what my Q701 would get).  Let's not discuss SQ ok!  basshead.gif

post #5894 of 14162

there is a definite power difference with the modern receivers. i had to run them off my speaker taps on my yamaha v371 home theater receiver for more power..

post #5895 of 14162
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

M-13, Fang did not lie about this but wasn't 100% correct either I guess.  I do get decent volume on the HE500 straight from my Samsung tablet.  Underpowered?  of course but surprising decent volume (more than what my Q701 would get).  Let's not discuss SQ ok!  basshead.gif

No doubt. Fang would never lie. He really wanted the HE-500 to work on portable devices. And I'm sure it does to some degree. He gave up on the HE-500 as a portable and created the HE-400 which was a better attempt. But yeah no doubt the HE-500 can sound good from weaker amps, not the best, but still good enough for a lot of folks.

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