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Originally Posted by Hedonism View Post

Hi there, I'm going to be moving up from a Hifiman HE-400 to a Hifiman HE-500 sometime tomorrow hopefully. I'd like to know the cheapest (non-DIY) method to connect the Hifiman HE-500s to an Emotiva A-100 amp. 

 

I'd also like to know how the Lyr pairs with the Hifiman HE-500s, or if there are any better alternatives in that price range (aside from the Emotiva amp).

 

Thanks in advance.

Lyr can drive the HE500 with Full Authority… with that being said, i own EF5 which is more than capable of driving the HE500 also...


Edited by knights - 7/1/13 at 7:28pm
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Out of all the things we can talk about. It keeps coming back to O2, Emotiva and amplification requirements. This has to be THE greenest thread on Head-fi. Stuff gets recycled on a weekly basis.

 

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Funny enough, I haven't seen many people here report that they are using the O2. It just always comes up as an example of a sissy amp, when in reality it's actually decently powerful. Don't act surprised when there's a counteraction to the speaker amp narcissism.

post #5884 of 16243
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

+1 Seriously... we need to just start telling people "Yes the O2 can drive it. Now go be happy and don't bother us again."

 

In fact... that's probably what I'll do from now on.biggrin.gif

 

To be fair, I think the whole O2 thing has gone down a little bit over the past few months with regards to planars. Credit to the head-fi community on that.

 

The new emerging theme seems to be about whether speaker amps are needed or not, or if they are overkill. I personally don't see the heat that speaker amps are getting. They are usually cheaper, have enough headroom, and most importantly can drive speakers. People should seriously try it out for themselves. Even if they don't like it with headphones, they can always use it with speakers. I find speakers to be much less pickier than headphones with amplification and all that synergy stuff. At least that's what my perspective was when I picked up speaker amps.

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

To be fair, I think the whole O2 thing has gone down a little bit over the past few months with regards to planars. Credit to the head-fi community on that.

 

The new emerging theme seems to be about whether speaker amps are needed or not, or if they are overkill. I personally don't see the heat that speaker amps are getting. They are usually cheaper, have enough headroom, and most importantly can drive speakers. People should seriously try it out for themselves. Even if they don't like it with headphones, they can always use it with speakers. I find speakers to be much less pickier than headphones with amplification and all that synergy stuff. At least that's what my perspective was when I picked up speaker amps.

True, true... back in 2011 the only viable option was the Lyr. Of course there were vintage speaker amps, but finding one that was fully restored was a pain in the ass and they were often even more expensive than the Lyr.

 

I think it's great we have a currently produced amp that is affordable (around $200) that can do an even better job than the Lyr. The only problem is that people have to come up with interconnects for the speaker taps. It also comes with a generous return policy so people can just return the damn thing without getting angry at me.

 

The Lyr is still great but if people are curious they don't have to shell out big bucks and go hunting for rare vintage Marantz/Pioneer receivers that have been restored and weigh a ton.


Edited by M-13 - 7/1/13 at 8:25pm
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you dont always have to run off the speaker taps for the vintage receivers. my he-500 runs perfect from the headphone out on my pioneer sx-780 that i bought for $93 in pretty good shape. i use less than half of the volume, sometimes only 1/3 and its great. it does still weigh like 25 pounds, but i'm not moving it around so that doesn't matter as much.

post #5887 of 16243
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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post

you dont always have to run off the speaker taps for the vintage receivers. my he-500 runs perfect from the headphone out on my pioneer sx-780 that i bought for $93 in pretty good shape. i use less than half of the volume, sometimes only 1/3 and its great. it does still weigh like 25 pounds, but i'm not moving it around so that doesn't matter as much.

Running it from the headphone out is the point of vintage receivers right? It's pretty much the same as running them from the speaker taps because they didn't use op-amp at the time. Modern receivers have worse headphone outs, but the vintage ones don't. I think you just gave a great/cheap example of why Lyr isn't the only option. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if your amp sounds better than my Emotiva.


Edited by M-13 - 7/1/13 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Several months before this 6Moons review (which is where you go this chart) Fang himself said the HE-500 can be driven from most portable devices and did not require a seperate amp. The HE-500 was actually called the HE-6P (P for portable). After a few months he amended this claim and said the HE-500 requires a desktop amp with at least 1 Watt. So his words are not set in stone.

 

M-13, Fang did not lie about this but wasn't 100% correct either I guess.  I do get decent volume on the HE500 straight from my Samsung tablet.  Underpowered?  of course but surprising decent volume (more than what my Q701 would get).  Let's not discuss SQ ok!  basshead.gif

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there is a definite power difference with the modern receivers. i had to run them off my speaker taps on my yamaha v371 home theater receiver for more power..

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

M-13, Fang did not lie about this but wasn't 100% correct either I guess.  I do get decent volume on the HE500 straight from my Samsung tablet.  Underpowered?  of course but surprising decent volume (more than what my Q701 would get).  Let's not discuss SQ ok!  basshead.gif

No doubt. Fang would never lie. He really wanted the HE-500 to work on portable devices. And I'm sure it does to some degree. He gave up on the HE-500 as a portable and created the HE-400 which was a better attempt. But yeah no doubt the HE-500 can sound good from weaker amps, not the best, but still good enough for a lot of folks.

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Out of all the things we can talk about. It keeps coming back to O2, Emotiva and amplification requirements. This has to be THE greenest thread on Head-fi. Stuff gets recycled on a weekly basis.

 

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+1

 

i should really get HE-6 and move into a summit-fi thread or something tongue_smile.gif

 

i don't hear much discussion here on amping for HE-500, at least not on more expensive amps or on higher end speaker amps. yet this thread gets more daily posts than most of the other threads i check do


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 7/1/13 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

True, true... back in 2011 the only viable option was the Lyr. Of course there were vintage speaker amps, but finding one that was fully restored was a pain in the ass and they were often even more expensive than the Lyr.

 

 

There have always been people experimenting and playing with different types of speaker amps. The reason the emotiva is getting so much discussion is that it only runs $200 or so. The earlier stuff was costing a minimum for $600 for a decent sounding unit.

 

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

The new emerging theme seems to be about whether speaker amps are needed or not, or if they are overkill. I personally don't see the heat that speaker amps are getting. They are usually cheaper, have enough headroom, and most importantly can drive speakers. People should seriously try it out for themselves. Even if they don't like it with headphones, they can always use it with speakers. I find speakers to be much less pickier than headphones with amplification and all that synergy stuff. At least that's what my perspective was when I picked up speaker amps.

 

My personal opinion is that the speaker amplifier market is pretty saturated. There's a lot of performance for the given prices in these units, and manufacturers are always fighting to keep an edge. Headphones and headphone amplifiers are still a very very small portion of the audio market, and in reality we have a small number of manufacturers catering to us. 

 

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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post

you dont always have to run off the speaker taps for the vintage receivers. my he-500 runs perfect from the headphone out on my pioneer sx-780 that i bought for $93 in pretty good shape. i use less than half of the volume, sometimes only 1/3 and its great. it does still weigh like 25 pounds, but i'm not moving it around so that doesn't matter as much.

 

Those vintage units are sweet! I have a SX990 that I use from time to time! Love having an old school FM tuner. The old vintage units had a pretty simple way of implementing a headphone jack. Basically the speaker taps are run to the front of the unit with a resistor in the line up (sound familiar?). I believe my SX990 has a 120ohm resistor in it. 

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

+1

 

i should really get HE-6 and move into a summit-fi thread or something tongue_smile.gif

 

i don't hear much discussion here on amping for HE-500, at least not on more expensive amps or on higher end speaker amps. yet this thread gets more daily posts than most of the other threads i check do

HE-6 as well huh? You must be made out of money. Last time I checked, you were getting the TH-900 next biggrin.gif Hahaha I seriously wanna try them out for rap/hip hop. I reaallly need a high end portable headphone. Also that super duper amp you mentioned going for 5K with HE-500. Might consider getting the HE-500 again if it blows my mind. Although there's also the Cavalli Liquid Fire, Liquid Gold and GS-X mkII. So many options. 

 

lol the funny thing about this thread is that this used to be in the summit-fi before. Wait till some more people get the HE-6. Hahaha I'm calling it right now. By next year, you're going to start to see O2 with HE-6. Then they'll have to kick the HE-6 back down to normal stufftongue.gif

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

I blame Fang. Ever since he dropped the price of the HE-500 to $699, we've been getting riffraff poor people who live in squalor frequenting this place. These people smell funny and don't have our refined tastes in the finest audio gear. My noble rich blood boils from answering their ignorant questions daily. I too will sell my HE-500 and pick up the HE-6 and join you and the other elitists  at the country club Summit-Fi threads.

Just imagined Aladdin with HE-500 on bigsmile_face.gif

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

HE-6 as well huh? You must be made out of money. Last time I checked, you were getting the TH-900 next biggrin.gif Hahaha I seriously wanna try them out for rap/hip hop. I reaallly need a high end portable headphone. Also that super duper amp you mentioned going for 5K with HE-500. Might consider getting the HE-500 again if it blows my mind. Although there's also the Cavalli Liquid Fire, Liquid Gold and GS-X mkII. So many options. 

 

lol the funny thing about this thread is that this used to be in the summit-fi before. Wait till some more people get the HE-6. Hahaha I'm calling it right now. By next year, you're going to start to see O2 with HE-6. Then they'll have to kick the HE-6 back down to normal stufftongue.gif

 

l0l!!! and yeah, imo, fostex/denon are probably the best for rap/hiphop if you enjoy tons of bass in that type of music. th-900 and lcd-3 are my next purchases though. (hopefully i will be able to let go of my LCD-2, and save some money, it would suck if i end up deciding to keep both)


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 7/1/13 at 8:45pm
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