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post #586 of 18022

It was $899 ($903 with express shipping) on Amazon when I ordered mine a couple days ago.


Edited by Rebel975 - 8/6/11 at 12:15pm
post #587 of 18022
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Has anyone tried any after market cables with the 500's?

post #588 of 18022

I have the q audio cable for mine. Unfortunately, I havent even untied or taken the stock one out of the box.

post #589 of 18022

Please do, KingStyles. The Canare is 4 x 20 awg. I.e. the Q-Audio and the Canare is as different as it is possible to make them, I guess, so sound difference is ?

post #590 of 18022

Roger (gradofan2) sorry you did not enjoy the HE500 as much and returned it. As we discussed via email/PM I find the HE500 w/ the HE6 balanced cable to be a superb sounding can that has surpassed my RS-1. Only the K1000 sounds better, I will agree with your statement that improvements after a certain point are minor and come with a high cost.

post #591 of 18022

I have waited for the HE-6 cable to become available as an aftermarket cable, but since no fixed date is set (or if it even will), I decided to order the Q-Audio to my HiFiMANs. Primary reason is the comfort of the Q-Audio cable compared to the monsterous Canare 4S6.

post #592 of 18022

I want an aftermarket cable simply because I've read that the stock HE-500 cable is huge and heavy. Too bad aftermarket cables are way too expensive. $200+++ for 5 feet of copper wire and some braiding. Too rich for my blood.

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Roger (gradofan2) sorry you did not enjoy the HE500 as much and returned it. As we discussed via email/PM I find the HE500 w/ the HE6 balanced cable to be a superb sounding can that has surpassed my RS-1. Only the K1000 sounds better, I will agree with your statement that improvements after a certain point are minor and come with a high cost.


I can only assume your's have different drivers than mine did, or that the Isabellina makes all the difference... or... that there was some other difference that distinguishes the sound from yours... from the pair I had.  I'm fairly certain, that you would not have had that opinion if you had heard the pair I had, driven by my amps.

 

And... I also do not understand why they could not be driven well by my WA6 SEm, since so many others report their WA6 / WA6 SE amps drive them well.  That would also suggest that something is different about the pair I had - since my WA6 SEm drives all my other phones extremely well, and always has - though its getting better as the Blackgates burn in (still 100's of hours short of full burn in).   

 

They did sound very good in all aspects, except for their bass and lower mids, as I've described previously. 

 

And... I was very surprised that the EF5 (the newer CE / Full Music version) did nothing to improve their sound... but... actually made the bass and lower mids sound slower and thicker.  It had this effect with all my phones.

 

Of course... I may have placed unreasonable constraints on mine... given that I refuse to invest in an amp that is dedicated only to them (a la the Stax phones), such as the Lyr - especially, if those amps cost more than a $1,000 (e.g. Isabella and KGSS / BHSE for Stax, etc.).  But, based on various reviews and comments I had expected the HE-500's could be driven to excel, with very modest amps, and certainly by the WA6 SEm - which I found not to be the case.

 

And... finally... I have low tolerance for subtle differences that come at a high price, and great skepticism that such investments produce significant improvements in sound quality (of such magnitude that would justify the high price).  Though, admittedly, my definition of "significant improvement" may mean greater improvement than that of most others.         

 

 


Edited by Gradofan2 - 8/7/11 at 6:51pm
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I can only assume your's have different drivers than mine did, or that the Isabella makes all the difference... or... that there was some other difference that distinguishes the sound from yours... from the pair I had.  I'm fairly certain, that you would not have had that opinion if you had heard the pair I had, driven by my amps.

 

And... I also do not understand why they could not be driven well by my WA6 SEm, since so many others report their WA6 / WA6 SE amps drive them well.  That would also suggest that something is different about the pair I had - since my WA6 SEm drives all my other phones extremely well, and always has - though its getting better as the Blackgates burn in (still 100's of hours short of full burn in).   

 

They did sound very good in all aspects, except for their bass and lower mids, as I've described previously. 

 

And... I was very surprised that the EF5 (the newer CE / Full Music version) did nothing to improve their sound... but... actually made the bass and lower mids sound slower and thicker.  It had this effect with all my phones.

 

Of course... I may have placed unreasonable constraints on mine... given that I refuse to invest in an amp that is dedicated only to them (a la the Stax phones), such as the Lyr - especially, if those amps cost more than a $1,000 (e.g. Isabella and KGSS / BHSE for Stax, etc.).  But, based on various reviews and comments I had expected the HE-500's could be driven to excel, with very modest amps, and certainly by the WA6 SEm - which I found not to be the case.

 

And... finally... I have low tolerance for subtle differences that come at a high price, and great skepticism that such investments produce significant improvements in sound quality (of such magnitude that would justify the high price).  Though, admittedly, my definition of "significant improvement" may mean greater improvement than that of most others.         

 

 

It is interesting. I can drive mine from portable balanced amp, the RSA 71b and the PB-2 from iBasso and I have the Lyr. No muddy base or problems with the lower mids, and if there was, I could not stand it. I think what you had, had a problem but then that is just a guess. 

 

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I can only assume your's have different drivers than mine did, or that the Isabella makes all the difference... or... that there was some other difference that distinguishes the sound from yours... from the pair I had.  I'm fairly certain, that you would not have had that opinion if you had heard the pair I had, driven by my amps.

 

And... I also do not understand why they could not be driven well by my WA6 SEm, since so many others report their WA6 / WA6 SE amps drive them well.  That would also suggest that something is different about the pair I had - since my WA6 SEm drives all my other phones extremely well, and always has - though its getting better as the Blackgates burn in (still 100's of hours short of full burn in).   

 

They did sound very good in all aspects, except for their bass and lower mids, as I've described previously. 

 

And... I was very surprised that the EF5 (the newer CE / Full Music version) did nothing to improve their sound... but... actually made the bass and lower mids sound slower and thicker.  It had this effect with all my phones.

 

Of course... I may have placed unreasonable constraints on mine... given that I refuse to invest in an amp that is dedicated only to them (a la the Stax phones), such as the Lyr - especially, if those amps cost more than a $1,000 (e.g. Isabella and KGSS / BHSE for Stax, etc.).  But, based on various reviews and comments I had expected the HE-500's could be driven to excel, with very modest amps, and certainly by the WA6 SEm - which I found not to be the case.

 

And... finally... I have low tolerance for subtle differences that come at a high price, and great skepticism that such investments produce significant improvements in sound quality (of such magnitude that would justify the high price).  Though, admittedly, my definition of "significant improvement" may mean greater improvement than that of most others.         


Gradofan2, I spent about 20 minutes listening to the HE-500s on an Isabellina HPA yesterday.  The combination was excellent, a bit better than I remember the WA-6SE being.  On the whole though, my impression of them hasn't changed.  I like the LCD-2 and HE-6 more.   


Edited by sphinxvc - 8/7/11 at 5:49pm
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Gradofan2, I spent about 20 minutes listening to the HE-500s on an Isabellina HPA yesterday.  The combination was excellent, a bit better than I remember the WA-6SE being.  On the whole though, my impression of them hasn't changed.  I like the LCD-2 and HE-6 more.   

Yes, the HE-6 offer a bit more resolution and to my ear, a different sound. They are cut from the same material but the HE-6 offers a bit more fabric to the sound but then even HiFiman has stated this. They just take so much to drive. I enjoy them all, like being in a different place within a venue.  
 

 

post #597 of 18022

If anyone is interested in a mint condition HE500, shoot me a PM.

post #598 of 18022
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I do use the HE-6 cable for the HE-500. I prefer it to the stock and it is much easier to use. 

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Gradofan2, I spent about 20 minutes listening to the HE-500s on an Isabellina HPA yesterday.  The combination was excellent, a bit better than I remember the WA-6SE being.  On the whole though, my impression of them hasn't changed.  I like the LCD-2 and HE-6 more.   


I also think the HE6 is better than the HE500. The issue I have is the HE6 is such a beast to drive. I think although the HE500 is a bit warmer and a little less resolving than the HE6, I think the fact that it's MUCH easier to drive makes it a better alternative to many. If I had a versatile enough amp that could fully drive the HE6 and the HD800 I'd probably have the HE6. To me, the HE500 is somewhat between the LCD2 and HD800 in terms of sound signature. I personally like it. I just wonder if I like it enough to "must" have one?
Edited by baka1969 - 8/7/11 at 7:53pm
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Yes, it's kind of ridiculous the Beta can't push them (the HE-6).  I'm not sure what Fang was thinking (lol).  If your Beta has pre-outs, coupled with a transparent enough power-amp, that might just be the ticket for the HE-6.  Otherwise, I suppose the HE-500s are a good substitute.  

 

A qualm I have with all three headphones is that they don't disappear in a way...O2s might for example.  They are too heavy to achieve that feat and it brings down the realism a notch.  


Edited by sphinxvc - 8/7/11 at 9:14pm
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