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post #5701 of 18011
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Originally Posted by alota View Post

the cables don´t work miracles, just some little improvements

 

Yea I'll agree with this to an extent. With my custom silver cables, I think I am getting more clarity at times, but definitely not sure about it. Also, the difference is too little for me to bother with generating psychoacoustic curves. Bottom linen being if you are happy with it, that's all that matters.

post #5702 of 18011

Cable sonic changes (if any) are definitely minuscule compared to cup/driver/earpad damping modifications.

 

It shows too, there are sweeping changes in measurements with earpad modifications, while you'd be hardpressed to distinguish actual change vs measurement baseline variance with different cables.

 

In the end the ergonomics of recabling tends to be the overwhelming benefit.

post #5703 of 18011

Jerg, havn't you got the M&M stack yet?

post #5704 of 18011

Has anyone tried putting a jacket on the stock HE-500 cable?

I mean, one could easily just cover it in any old cotton/synthetic fabric tube and that would help with the microphonics.... right?....

post #5705 of 18011
If i am not mistaken...someone here said that it can be source wise why some hear differences in cabling and others not..i agree with that..as i myself found out that when i had a matrix mstage with opa627 (excellent value by the way!!) that when i bought my first after market cable..a custommade double helix cable it didnt change the sound compared to the standard silver plated copper cable....at that time i had a he300..and i Had a cowon d2 as source..it was only a bit brighter....but when i switched over to the hm602 and then my humble 337...something weird happened....the sound was all different..i didnt like it at first...so i tried the standard cable..sound was different also but more muffled then the DHC, more distant, less bass, and soundstage was narrow as if i was listening to a 128bps soundtrack....so iwent back to the DHC...and i started to love it..it was no placebo..as my wife and daughter and some regular visiting friends actually said the sound was different...comparing standard to DHC...

So i guess the better the source the better u can hear differences..but ofcourse its not day and night differences..its in the details..for me and my rig..my investments in my powercables, my interconnect, my headphonecable and even my herbies audio anti vibration booties (i even have them on my hm602..lolz) are worth every dime i spent on them. Even if its only in my head (if so then many of my visiting friends and some headfi members who listened to my rig last year are mass halucinating..must be something in the tea then biggrin.gif )..i am happy with it..

As other person also said..in the end its always personal...spending 500usd on a cable wont give u 500usd worth of better soundquality..BUT if u invest in more expensive/better equipment then it wont hurt to try it out...i am a happy man wink.gif

but as i said before guys....i will be bringing my rig to the london meet in oktober.so .anyone interested to try it with ur own cables/phones/sources..ur more then welcome to do so...and u can then compare it to my complete rig with ???? worth ( biggrin.gif ) of cables..yeah i know..my wallet is weeping allthe time....well its better then buying gucci (and other designer) bags that my wife loves and then only uses them for two years max! biggrin.gif
post #5706 of 18011
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

Has anyone tried putting a jacket on the stock HE-500 cable?

I mean, one could easily just cover it in any old cotton/synthetic fabric tube and that would help with the microphonics.... right?....

Haha, I am actually doing this right now in hopes to resolve some of the microphonics...of course I will share my results when it's done!

post #5707 of 18011
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Suddenly I discover that I am headphone supremus. Don't feel like one, I am not one to look up to, LOL. Want my old title back, much more fitting tongue.gif

Congratulations! Now you can use the secret Headphone Supremus only lounge, and will receive 30% off on all headphone/amp/dac purchases from now on. Contact Jude for more info.

post #5708 of 18011
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Congratulations! Now you can use the secret Headphone Supremus only lounge, and will receive 30% off on all headphone/amp/dac purchases from now on. Contact Jude for more info.


Will do. Those 30% wouldn't help me much anyway, since import taxes are quite high here, and then shipping on top of that wink.gif

 

Hifimanrookie, I would really love to see a blind test or blind test myself, and see if I or others can hear any difference(s). My opinion is, that if you can't hear it when blind testing, I won't bother unless the sound change is obvious, and then it should be heard when blind testing any way.

As of now, I have heard a difference between my 2 rca cables as mentioned, but I won't accept that as a fact, and most possibly fool myself unless I am very certain of what I hear. Funny thing is, based on my impressions I can do a review of the cables as well as I can review a headphone or a DAC, if I actually trusted the way my mind interpret the sound.

In short the one cable is darker with more bass presence and a more up-front sound, which is slightly more textured. Together with the dark sound it gives an intimate soundstage with vocals up-front, but still the overall sound sig sometimes seem a little laid back. On the other hand the treble seems slightly grainy, and isn't as extended as it could be, and the cable lacks some clarity.

 

But despite my observation my logic goes like this: If it probably isn't any real difference I hear, I probably won't enjoy my music more with new cables.

 

Personally I don't think there is a reason for believing in cables making a difference, and there isn't much if any evidence to support it. And I practically don't care about wth I think I hear unless I am fairly certain that it isn't all made up. The only way I can feel certain is by blind testing or alternatively if I am positive and certain I do hear a difference.

This kinda leaves me in a dilemma when it comes to spending 500$ on a new DAC, as I find it hard to be certain if there is any significant difference. I am positive my DAC sounds much different compared to my e17, though. On the other hand, I'd say the difference is only about twice or thrice the difference of changing cables (estimated).

 

Actually, I am not sure where this leaves me...


Edited by davidsh - 6/26/13 at 3:32pm
post #5709 of 18011

Wait, I thought M-13 was joking with the 30% off!!! I'm really gullible with this stuff. LOL don't play around with my feelings like that.

 

Someone explain to me how this stuff works.

post #5710 of 18011
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post


Will do. Those 30% wouldn't help me much anyway, since import taxes are quite high here, and then shipping on top of that wink.gif

 

Hifimanrookie, I would really love to see a blind test or blind test myself, and see if I or others can hear any difference(s). My opinion is, that if you can't hear it when blind testing, I won't bother unless the sound change is obvious, and then it should be heard when blind testing any way.

As of now, I have heard a difference between my 2 rca cables as mentioned, but I won't accept that as a fact, and most possibly fool myself unless I am very certain of what I hear. Funny thing is, based on my impressions I can do a review of the cables as well as I can review a headphone or a DAC, if I actually trusted the way my mind interpret the sound.

In short the one cable is darker with more bass presence and a more up-front sound, which is slightly more textured. Together with the dark sound it gives an intimate soundstage with vocals up-front, but still the overall sound sig sometimes seem a little laid back. On the other hand the treble seems slightly grainy, and isn't as extended as it could be, and the cable lacks some clarity.

 

But despite my observation my logic goes like this: If it probably isn't any real difference I hear, I probably won't enjoy my music more with new cables.

 

Personally I don't think there is a reason for believing in cables making a difference, and there isn't much if any evidence to support it. And I practically don't care about wth I think I hear unless I am fairly certain that it isn't all made up. The only way I can feel certain is by blind testing or alternatively if I am positive and certain I do hear a difference.

This kinda leaves me in a dilemma when it comes to spending 500$ on a new DAC, as I find it hard to be certain if there is any significant difference. I am positive my DAC sounds much different compared to my e17, though. On the other hand, I'd say the difference is only about twice or thrice the difference of changing cables (estimated).

 

Actually, I am not sure where this leaves me...

One of the most honest posts when it comes to the cable debate.  Thx.

Btw, do you believe in God?  Same argument there :)


Edited by koiloco - 6/26/13 at 3:46pm
post #5711 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Wait, I thought M-13 was joking with the 30% off!!! I'm really gullible with this stuff. LOL don't play around with my feelings like that.

Someone explain to me how this stuff works.
Yeah am curious about this too...it would save me a heap of money in the future biggrin.gif
30 % is the amount of taxes i have to pay when i buy stuff from the states above i think 40 euros or so...the stealing basterds..the customs i mean ofcourse biggrin.gif

So i would get my stuff taxfree then..with the 30 % off.. wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/26/13 at 3:47pm
post #5712 of 18011
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

One of the most honest posts when it comes to the cable debate.  Thx.

Btw, do you believe in God?  Same argument there :)

You are allowed to guess. Actually it is pretty much same argument cool.gif

 

Already contacted Jude, waiting for reply with my personal headphoneus supremus code tongue.gif

post #5713 of 18011

Hey guys, I just got my HE-500's yesterday and have to say I am verry happy :) but I want more! I am currently using an O2 amp/ODAC connected to my Macbook Pro for listening...any upgrade recommendations that is not too expensive?

post #5714 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Stalker81598 View Post

I find no audible difference between the silver dragon and the stock HE-500 SPC cable.

ok, so apart from eliminating the microphonics, can you please share what else the benefits of having a more decent cable than the stock SPC white cable ?
post #5715 of 18011
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Originally Posted by leadbythemelody View Post

Hey guys, I just got my HE-500's yesterday and have to say I am verry happy :) but I want more! I am currently using an O2 amp/ODAC connected to my Macbook Pro for listening...any upgrade recommendations that is not too expensive?

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project

 

You're welcome.

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