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Originally Posted by K3cT View Post

I would guess it's a gradual hump as it causes one bass note to blur with the next one causing a dulling effect. It can be pleasant but I find it robs too much from attack and transients (in bass area). 

 

Try this track, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zIzy3laQck. I find it easier to pick out the individual fingers plucking of the banjo with the LCD2 while they sort of blur with the HE500. 


I'm not sure what causes it... but... it sounds like a dull, slower, slightly muffled sound when compared to any of my other phones, which sound faster with greater PRAT and attack.  The leading edges of the notes are dulled, rather than sharp. 

 

While there is a mid-bass hump, that is not especially objectionable, though it may be contributing to the "thick, syrupy" sound I describe, in the manner you mention. 

 

And... your brain does adjust, somewhat, to the duller sound, so it is more difficult to identify, except when A:B'd with my other phones - as Sharose notes.... though... I still notice it, because I'm sensitive to it.

 

My only question is... does any good headphone amp (which drives multiple phones) clear them up?  I assume no, since Shahrose has tried it with a pretty powerful amp... so, long... as it has the high current output required by the HE500's (in contrast to high voltage output). 
 

 


Edited by Gradofan2 - 8/5/11 at 12:27pm
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1) The thickness that I'm referring to is not a roll-off of the treble as you seem to suggest (though it was nice and smooth). It's a rounding off of the sound and a slight lack of control.

2) The above effect almost disappears when the HE-500 is the only can you listen to for a while. It's easy to get used to. It wasn't until I went back to my other headphones (dynamics mainly) that these things became apparent.

3) For further confirmation of what Gradofan2 and I are describing. Read here please: http://www.headfonia.com/hifiman-he-500-first-impression/

 

4) Thanks for the info, but the Dynahi comment was to just avoid any power requirement arguments which some people seem to obsess over these days whenever orthos are mentioned. It's interesting you mention rise time and slew rate, because to me it has nothing to do with the actual sound of the amps. The Dynahi to me is faster and more transparent.

5) As I mentioned in the very sentence you quoted. I tried different amps (2 others). The result was the same.

6) Hearing is great thankfully. I've been very careful in preserving it.



  Actually I was not implying it around the region of the treble where I probably give it higher marks than some, but in the region of the mid to low bass where any rounding of sound would be most likely described as bloom.  In this case I do not think that is accurate either as it seems more like a lack of attack (leading edge of the pulse) rather than temporal distortion or overshoot.  This is one way that the LCD-2 and HE-500 are pretty well opposite.  The LCD-2 is sharper, more delineated in the lower notes but loses ground (and detail) as it moves up through the register. Before someone jumps down my throat, the detail is there, but look for the attack, to me, its missing.  The HE-500, while no slouch at bass, is not as defined in the lower notes and tends to get better as you move up the scale.  Its not perfect at the top but better, clearly better than the LCD-2.  In response to K3cT (thanks for the link), I agree to some extent but it does get better with better amplification, where the opposite is true with the LCD-2, which does not scale with better amplification (that I have tried) and around those critical upper notes it is simply a bit more dull (to me).  The notes are there, but the leading edge of those notes is, while not missing, diminished.

 

Shahrose:  I was not trying to imply that the dynahi was not a good amp (it is), I was only pointing out that the B22 is a bit harder to categorize because of its flexibility in implementation.  On the other hand, I was also trying to help people understand what I hear, from my perspective, having both sets of headphones at hand (as well as all the senns) and having the ability to quickly A/B the two on a very good set of DAC/AMP combinations.  I think the LCD-2 is getting a lot more attention relative to the HE-500 than it deserves, especially considering how well balanced the HE-500 is.  And, I know your hearing is good, I was just pointing out that for some people, especially some who may easily fall into the demographic willing to spend $2K on a headphone/amp that they may want to take listen for themselves rather than just jump on the LCD bandwagon because the HE-500 is a viable solution for other reasons.  I say that I know your hearing is good because I find your reviews to be among the more accurate here in general, and when comparing your comments to actual measurements (inner fidelity) you will find that some of what you describe can be directly correlated to those measurements whereas some of the reviewers I have read describe experiences which are contradictory within themselves and/or with the measurements (which I find frustrating).  In any case, neither headphone is a slouch and this really is getting nit picky.  I think most people could tune into  the sound of either headphone and for me, well, I just wish I had the best of both.

 

 

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  Actually I was not implying it around the region of the treble where I probably give it higher marks than some, but in the region of the mid to low bass where any rounding of sound would be most likely described as bloom.  In this case I do not think that is accurate either as it seems more like a lack of attack (leading edge of the pulse) rather than temporal distortion or overshoot.  This is one way that the LCD-2 and HE-500 are pretty well opposite.  The LCD-2 is sharper, more delineated in the lower notes but loses ground (and detail) as it moves up through the register. Before someone jumps down my throat, the detail is there, but look for the attack, to me, its missing.  The HE-500, while no slouch at bass, is not as defined in the lower notes and tends to get better as you move up the scale.  Its not perfect at the top but better, clearly better than the LCD-2.  In response to K3cT (thanks for the link), I agree to some extent but it does get better with better amplification, where the opposite is true with the LCD-2, which does not scale with better amplification (that I have tried) and around those critical upper notes it is simply a bit more dull (to me).  The notes are there, but the leading edge of those notes is, while not missing, diminished.

 

 

I think the bolded statements pretty much nail it. Couldn't agree more.

 

(in regards to the comments about me...I'm flattered redface.gif).


Edited by Shahrose - 8/5/11 at 1:19pm
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It is not only about power. Have a go and check reviews on the LehmannAudio BCL. I had a loaner for 3 weeks and the BCL is a great "bright / speedy" amp. I guess that will "lighten things up", if that's what you indeed are looking for. 

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

My only question is... does any good headphone amp (which drives multiple phones) clear them up?  I assume no, since Shahrose has tried it with a pretty powerful amp... so, long... as it has the high current output required by the HE500's (in contrast to high voltage output). 
 

 



 

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The new ear pads are made of a pleather, so they will reflect more and reports are that they increase the upper mids and highs and affect the low frequencies. 

 

I took some tape and lined the inside edge of the current ear pads, giving a reflective surface more like a leather though not absorbing to the same degree of course. Interesting results. 

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Sure hope the also offer velour pads. 

 

Care to elaborate on the interesting results? 

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Hey guys,

 

I'm really torn between these HE-500s and the LCD-2 rev. 2. I generally prefer brighter headphones, and a good soundstage so it seems like the HE-500s are a better fit for me. However, people seem to think that the LCD-2 has better imaging and definition which is important as well. My music taste is probably 50% rock, 30% jazz, 15% hip-hop and 5% electronic these days. The HE-500s can be had for 800, while the LCD-2 is going to be 950. 

 

Anyone who has heard both wanna let me know if the LCD-2 is worth an extra 150?

 

Thanks in advance. 

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Hah! I was going to try the same thing, lining the inside of the earpads with some leather I have laying around... just for a preview.

 

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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post

Hey guys,

 

I'm really torn between these HE-500s and the LCD-2 rev. 2. I generally prefer brighter headphones, and a good soundstage so it seems like the HE-500s are a better fit for me. However, people seem to think that the LCD-2 has better imaging and definition which is important as well. My music taste is probably 50% rock, 30% jazz, 15% hip-hop and 5% electronic these days. The HE-500s can be had for 800, while the LCD-2 is going to be 950. 

 

Anyone who has heard both wanna let me know if the LCD-2 is worth an extra 150?

 

Thanks in advance. 



What do you have for source equipment?  Listening levels? 

 

 

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where can you buy the HE-500 for $800? normal_smile%20.gif
 

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What do you have for source equipment?  Listening levels? 

 

 



 

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Originally Posted by K3cT View Post





I would guess it's a gradual hump as it causes one bass note to blur with the next one causing a dulling effect. It can be pleasant but I find it robs too much from attack and transients (in bass area). 

 

Try this track, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zIzy3laQck. I find it easier to pick out the individual fingers plucking of the banjo with the LCD2 while they sort of blur with the HE500. 



Same outcome with the HE6.  The problem is it is just under powered.  The same track with HE6 through a power amp and it sounds like the guy playing the banjo is standing right beside you snapping those strings in your face.

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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post

Hey guys,

 

I'm really torn between these HE-500s and the LCD-2 rev. 2. I generally prefer brighter headphones, and a good soundstage so it seems like the HE-500s are a better fit for me. However, people seem to think that the LCD-2 has better imaging and definition which is important as well. My music taste is probably 50% rock, 30% jazz, 15% hip-hop and 5% electronic these days. The HE-500s can be had for 800, while the LCD-2 is going to be 950. 

 

Anyone who has heard both wanna let me know if the LCD-2 is worth an extra 150?

 

Thanks in advance. 


Same question really I am 5 days away from buying the LCD-2s but if the HE-500 is just as good might as well save the 150.   I will be driving them with a Maverick Audio D1 dac, I don't have an after market amp ATM.  The D1 is ratted for 1000mW at 32 ohm and 300mW at 600 ohm.  But I might get the Schiit Asgard latter on down the road if my Maverick audio D1 is not powerful enough. 

 

I like to listen at all volumes from low level to face melting so it might come down to which headphone is cheaper to drive.   I really don't want (or am able too) to put any more money into this hobby.  Poor student is poor student. 

 

Is the HE-500 just as good as the LCD-2 and is it cheaper to drive properly?  

 


Edited by Super MANSKITO - 8/5/11 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by earthling View Post

What do you have for source equipment?  Listening levels? 

 

 


Source is all FLAC files. As far as amping goes, right now I have only an E7+E9 combo, but I will be purchasing an amp at the same time I get these headphones. I do want to settle on a headphone first because picking an amp so that I can read opinions on synergy. Probably something in the sub-500 level for an amp (eyeing a Schiit or a Cavalli DIY of some sort). 

 

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The he500 is harder to drive than the lcd2. It takes 30 - 45 min more on the volume to equal the lcd2 in volume.

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Thought the HE-500 was 899 (at head-direct and amazn at least) Head direct has free shipping ww.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Questhate View Post

 The HE-500s can be had for 800............

 

 

Do you mean 30 min like half an hour when you split the knob in 12 hours, that is you have to turn the knob 1/24-th of a round?

 

 

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Originally Posted by KingStyles View Post

The he500 is harder to drive than the lcd2. It takes 30 - 45 min more on the volume to equal the lcd2 in volume.


 

 

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