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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

That is until you try something like Stax. It is all a matter of perspective, really. They are relaxed and a bit dull compared to my stats. But I can perceive both as fairly balanced, depending on what I am used to at the moment. Even though I havn't come up with one thing they have in common... Like at all

 

Source or not, the HE-500 will always lack some depth. I find it to be somewhat adequate on most well recorded tracks, though. But a good source really does make a difference in my opinion. 

They don't sound dull or relaxed with the Emotiva behind them. They sound aggressive and fast--the speaker taps really add to the dynamic range on both ends, making them sound more explosive and fast.

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

They don't sound dull or relaxed with the Emotiva behind them. They sound aggressive and fast--the speaker taps really add to the dynamic range on both ends, making them sound more explosive and fast.

 

You guys are making me curious about how my HE-500 would sound on speaker taps. I just don't know how much better the Emotiva could possibly be over the Lyr.

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You guys are making me curious about how my HE-500 would sound on speaker taps. I just don't know how much better the Emotiva could possibly be over the Lyr.

As a former Lyr owner I would say the Lyr does a lot of things I'm talking about, but the speaker taps take it one more step further in that direction. Like going from the Magni to Lyr, but doing that again (with less of a dramatic effect). I don't want to say the Lyr can't drive the HE-500 to potential, but the HE-500 does sound faster and more explosive on the Emotiva, especially when the song gets complex and multiple things are happening at the same time, many voices, instruments, sounds coming at the same time where a lot of juice is needed for the HE-500s to run.

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As a former Lyr owner I would say the Lyr does a lot of things I'm talking about, but the speaker taps take it one more step further in that direction. Like going from the Magni to Lyr, but doing that again (with less of a dramatic effect). I don't want to say the Lyr can't drive the HE-500 to potential, but the HE-500 does sound faster and more explosive on the Emotiva, especially when the song gets complex and multiple things are happening at the same time, many voices, instruments, sounds coming at the same time where a lot of juice is needed for the HE-500s to run.
Or get a very powerful headphone amp like the ef6...or any high quality headphone amp that can drive the he6 easily... wink.gif but those are EXPENSIVE...so if ur on a budget..get a vintage amp and do the speaker taps thingie..i heard those (marantz, mcintosch) do wonders with a he6... So i suppose they will fit the he500 also...

But as i said before..to my ears the 337 gives the he500 enough power to make them come alive! They pair wonderful together...And everyone who is coming to the headfi meet in oktober in london is more then welcome to experience what an headphone amp under 700 usd is capable of with the he500 wink.gif
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Could it just be that Toxic Cables are charging in line with actual costs and others are charging way out of line? That's my theory anyway.

Cool, which Toxic Cable that you guys use for the HiFiman HE-500?
I'm thinking to get a copper cable since my recently bought HE-500 comes with the stock silver braided cable as per below screenshot:

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Cool, which Toxic Cable that you guys use for the HiFiman HE-500?
I'm thinking to get a copper cable since my recently bought HE-500 comes with the stock silver braided cable as per below screenshot:

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The cable that comes with the HE-500 is actually silver plated copper.

 

I got a Moon Audio Silver Dragon, and while the quality of the cable is leagues better than the stock cable, I didn't notice any difference in the sound at all. No more microphonics though so I'd say it was worth it.

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The cable that comes with the HE-500 is actually silver plated copper.

I got a Moon Audio Silver Dragon, and while the quality of the cable is leagues better than the stock cable, I didn't notice any difference in the sound at all. No more microphonics though so I'd say it was worth it.

Thanks for the clarification, if it is just microphonic different, I don't mind at all since I'm using my HE500 in house sitting on my couch :-)
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Thanks for the clarification, if it is just microphonic different, I don't mind at all since I'm using my HE500 in house sitting on my couch :-)

Till it breaks (mine did), as it is badly build in the connections


Edited by i019791 - 6/22/13 at 3:21am
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Till it brakes (mine did), as it is badly build in the connections

Newer Hifiman SPC cables have strain reliefs, I think.

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

They don't sound dull or relaxed with the Emotiva behind them. They sound aggressive and fast--the speaker taps really add to the dynamic range on both ends, making them sound more explosive and fast.

That is compared to the Stax. I am mostly talking about the slightly recessed upper mids, where the Stax is like the opposite. I have tried speaker tabs. Really gives some explosive bass, indeed. 

Just know, that I am mostly talking about signature in my former post... 

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

That is compared to the Stax. I am mostly talking about the slightly recessed upper mids, where the Stax is like the opposite. I have tried speaker tabs. Really gives some explosive bass, indeed. 

Just know, that I am mostly talking about signature in my former post... 

I agree with this. The upper mids are slightly recessed. Not unpleasant or anything or extreme like the LCD-2 or Mad Dogs, but yeah I'm sure those upper-mids/treble are just lovely on the Stax. Need to make more money so I can get a 007 or 009 and a nice amp. God that would be amazing...

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And you felt it was overly bright even with the stock pleather earpads? Because to my ears that combination is almost too dim.

I'm of the same opinion. The HE-500s could use some more treble. Coming from the HE-400s before the HE-500s..while the HE-400s were more annoying and painful to listen to..the treble was at times much more enjoyable to listent o than the HE-500s. The HE-500s treble seems leashed as opposed to rolled off. It'll let you go so high before pulling you back or until you can't go any farther. I wanted more tsh and just got ts instead. Cymbols weren't as nice sounding..snare drums too. The DT880s and HE-400s both did drums better than the HE-500s. The bass was more enjoyable on the HE-400s as well, but ultimately I found myself altering my facial expressions in a painful manner when listening to the HE-400s. They were just a bit too sharp and painful.

 

HE-500 could use some more treble without hopefully making it sound painful like the HE-400s.

 

Also for the person that wanted to go back to the Canare cable..I tried the canare cable and the silver cable back and forth and back and forth and could never find a time when I appreciated the canare over the silver.

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I'm of the same opinion. The HE-500s could use some more treble. Coming from the HE-400s before the HE-500s..while the HE-400s were more annoying and painful to listen to..the treble was at times much more enjoyable to listent o than the HE-500s. The HE-500s treble seems leashed as opposed to rolled off. It'll let you go so high before pulling you back or until you can't go any farther. I wanted more tsh and just got ts instead. Cymbols weren't as nice sounding..snare drums too. The DT880s and HE-400s both did drums better than the HE-500s. The bass was more enjoyable on the HE-400s as well, but ultimately I found myself altering my facial expressions in a painful manner when listening to the HE-400s. They were just a bit too sharp and painful.

HE-500 could use some more treble without hopefully making it sound painful like the HE-400s.

Also for the person that wanted to go back to the Canare cable..I tried the canare cable and the silver cable back and forth and back and forth and could never find a time when I appreciated the canare over the silver.
To be honest i dont understand this....i myself have a very bright beyer dynamic mmx300 and sometimes the treble hurts me..but its perfect for gaming..as u can now can hear from what direction the enemy comes from at any time...i tried a silver cable on my he500...and it was just to bright..i now have a very special Black Widow 22AWG balanced cable..and the music couldnt be more natural...everything is just right..only soundstage could be better compared to some high end phones ( u know which ones i mean..lolz)...if the treble would get more agressive (more tshhh) it would certainly give me headaches while listening for long hours as i do (sometimes 4hours nonstop).... I only wished the he500 woud give me more soundstage...maybe the he7 or he600 or lcd4 or hd900 or maybe a new orpheus type around 1800-1900 mark? wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/22/13 at 2:44pm
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Thing I love most about the headphone is the price. It's in the perfect price range where you can't beat it. It's just shy of those headphones that could knock it out making it an excellent choice if you don't want to spend the extra for those other headphones..it also is nicely balanced. I wouldn't say it's neutral, but it's balanced pretty well. Nice lows, nice mids, pretty good highs. I'm sort of interested in hearing the T1. Never really had a chance to. I'm thinking it's probably like the DT880 but more low end and detail. The Dt880s was a fantastic headphone for the price. It only lacked bass imo. If it had stronger bass I probably would not have moved to the HE-500.

 

I have the silver cable on my HE-500s and like it more than the canare cable. I don't think it's bright enough, but I guess I don't mind a bright top end as long as it isn't harsh like the HE-400s or other headphones. The DT880s were pretty harsh in the beginning, but I grew to like it over time. It was one of those headphones that could fatigue you if you listened loudly though.

 

I find it impossible to be fatigued by the HE-500s. The HE-400s could fatigue me.


Edited by AngelicFantasy - 6/22/13 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by AngelicFantasy View Post

Thing I love most about the headphone is the price. It's in the perfect price range where you can't beat it. It's just shy of those headphones that could knock it out making it an excellent choice if you don't want to spend the extra for those other headphones..it also is nicely balanced. I wouldn't say it's neutral, but it's balanced pretty well. Nice lows, nice mids, pretty good highs. I'm sort of interested in hearing the T1. Never really had a chance to. I'm thinking it's probably like the DT880 but more low end and detail. The Dt880s was a fantastic headphone for the price. It only lacked bass imo. If it had stronger bass I probably would not have moved to the HE-500.

 

I have the silver cable on my HE-500s and like it more than the canare cable. I don't think it's bright enough, but I guess I don't mind a bright top end as long as it isn't harsh like the HE-400s or other headphones. The DT880s were pretty harsh in the beginning, but I grew to like it over time. It was one of those headphones that could fatigue you if you listened loudly though.

 

I find it impossible to be fatigued by the HE-500s. The HE-400s could fatigue me.

 

LOL very true. Especially used, these can be had for $500ish.

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