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post #5506 of 18030

What I would really like to see and would almost definately purchase would be a HE-400 level headphone but with a more balanced frequency response without that massive peak at 10khz. Similar FR to the HE-500 but cheaper manufacturing and slightly worse sound quality, I would buy that.

post #5507 of 18030
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Yeh would be nice to see that because the flagship headphones are very overpriced. Between the mid / high range and the flagships it is like double or triple the price which is just a bit excessive and puts them out of the reach of most people. LCD3, HD800, Tesla T1 etc. Headphones like HD600, DT880 etc. are more realistic, but the double or triple the price for flagships is excessive.

The HD580/HD600/HD650 were all once flagships, the HD600 I believe originally released for about $750 in 1996, this includes inflation factored in to put it into perspective.  Technology, materials, R&D and manufacturing all factor into price (oh, and brand names in some cases) so that is where you have these more expensive flagships these days, but that's not to say they are the same as their predecessors.  They may be more capable in different ways and for different things, but the new flagships still come with pros and cons to each unique listener.  They just do things differently, so you may be surprised to learn that many may prefer something like one of these former flagships on their ideally paired system over an HD800 on their ideally paired system for example.


Edited by modulor - 6/12/13 at 9:29am
post #5508 of 18030
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

What I would really like to see and would almost definately purchase would be a HE-400 level headphone but with a more balanced frequency response without that massive peak at 10khz. Similar FR to the HE-500 but cheaper manufacturing and slightly worse sound quality, I would buy that.

That's what I was getting at - HE-500 tuning (or similar), just assembled the way the HE-400 is...that would definitely drop the total manufacturing costs significantly and bring it closer to the HE-400 price.  Hypothetically, of course...HiFiMan is entitled to charge whatever they want. tongue.gif


Edited by modulor - 6/12/13 at 9:29am
post #5509 of 18030
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

That's what I was getting at - HE-500 tuning (or similar), just assembled the way the HE-400 is...that would definitely drop the total manufacturing costs significantly and bring it closer to the HE-400 price.  Hypothetically, of course...HiFiMan is entitled to charge whatever they want. tongue.gif

The main physical difference between HE500 and HE400 is the drivers, I mean they have different paintjobs and the logo decals are done differently, but those are minor in terms of cost differences.

 

If they can somehow make drivers that sound as balanced / transparent as their higher end orthos, but are as automated in manufacturing as the HE400s, then they'd have hit the jackpot.

 

My guess is with HE400 drivers, they "stamped" premade aluminum tracings onto mylar diaphragms, unlike the 500/6 etc where they etched grooves into mylar diaphragms already covered with aluminum. Obviously the latter is much more manually intensive.

 

I bet they are on track though.

post #5510 of 18030

Mmmm I do not know why hifiman decided... "hmmm yes this looks good from 10-8000hz.... I know lets put a 15db peak there" Ah well if you are reading this hifiman : please release a HE-400 with a more normal frequency response similar to HE-500

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^ LOL one of you guys need to tell me how to EQ the HE-500 to get more depthwink.gif

 

I'll try the EQ when I pair it with a computer next. I usually pair it with my CD player, so it's just a line out to Emotiva...don't get any EQ in there. So I just try to find gear that can work nicely without EQing on all my gear.

 

You could search forever and spend thousands to find the "perfect" setup and still not find exactly what you are looking for. I like to use a headphone that is very close to the sound that I want and EQ to get it perfect. I find that HE-500 is the headphone that I use the least amount of EQ:

 

 

+2@30, +1@60, +2@2K

 

Small adjustments can make a remarkable difference.

post #5512 of 18030

Why would you use a horrible little EQ like that when you can use a 31 band EQ in foobar

post #5513 of 18030
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Why would you use a horrible little EQ like that when you can use a 31 band EQ in foobar

 

Because the EQ on my soundcard software applies to all audio coming from my PC, not just foobar. And it sounds fine.

post #5514 of 18030

Listening to Johnny Cash American recording's on these is giving me goosebumps. I have never heard anything sound so good ever, its like im sitting in the recording studio, right in front of them, its quite spooky. First real acoustic run I have given these headphones, they are Genre masters. Still can't decide on leather vs velour though lol. 

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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Listening to Johnny Cash American recording's on these is giving me goosebumps. I have never heard anything sound so good ever, its like im sitting in the recording studio, right in front of them, its quite spooky. First real acoustic run I have given these headphones, they are Genre masters. Still can't decide on leather vs velour though lol. 

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post #5516 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Listening to Johnny Cash American recording's on these is giving me goosebumps. I have never heard anything sound so good ever, its like im sitting in the recording studio, right in front of them, its quite spooky. First real acoustic run I have given these headphones, they are Genre masters. Still can't decide on leather vs velour though lol. 
Try Enya on FLAC (high quality) or WAV also.... Their sound is so pure..and their songs really show what the he500 is made of wink.gif
post #5517 of 18030

It took a week longer than expected (due to food poisoning last week), but here it is.

The final version of my headband design.

 

Just a few minor changes since the last one. The changes are:
- thinner headband is more comfortable (especially for summer heat)

- shorter headband increases distance from the headphones headband (which also reduces compatibility with largest head sizes, but guarantees comfort for smaller heads)

- pop fasteners (snaps) are one size smaller (13mm instead of 15mm) but still the highest strength/quality (outdoor/tent quality pops)

- pops are closer together making the grip on the rods tighter

- the two small parts are reinforced with a nylon strap of identical size to drastically improve durability

 

I'm ready to take orders on these (1st order will be done this week - further orders will go next week as I will need to buy more parts)

I'll sell these for 15 euros each INCLUDING unregistered postage, or 17 euros registered - I know headfi doesn't condone unregistered mail, but we're dealing with pocket money here, not flagship audio equipment. 

(just PM me and we can talk business/paypal etc)

 

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DISCLAIMER FOR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS:  these are all fully hand made by myself, no machines involved, and as such are not perfectly uniform in shape or symmetry - these are more for hobby purpose and the 

only reason I have followed up on improving the design and investing my time and money is due to requests from fellow headfiers - this is not a 'professional' proven product.

I will not take ANY RESPONSIBILITY for damage done to your headphones while my headband is attached and in use on the headphone - each piece will only go through a basic functionality test before being shipped.

If for any reason you are dissatisfied with the product a full refund will be issued upon the return of the headband - return postage will be at your own expense. 

If the piece is faulty (eg: a pop breaks) I will make up for the failure at my own expense. 

- If you feel for any reason that my design puts unnecessary strain on the plastic logo branded rod-blocks or the hifiman-headband, simply don't purchase it. (I have found it does not).

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I have been using this headband (in various stages of the design) for nearly a month and have been more than satisfied with the comfort.

The first buyers will be somewhat a 'guinea pig' test group, but I'm fairly confident that for the price, you can't really go wrong or be too disappointed with the purchase.

To be honest, I'll be happy if I can see just 3, as that will recover all my material costs on prototypes.

 

 

post #5518 of 18030
Good price :-)
post #5519 of 18030

I'll try to get some navy blue leather for anyone that wants one for their HE-400.

But if anyone has any random colour requests, I can try to get the colour, but it will take longer.

post #5520 of 18030
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

I'll try to get some navy blue leather for anyone that wants one for their HE-400.

But if anyone has any random colour requests, I can try to get the colour, but it will take longer.

How much did you expand the cup/headband adjust on the 'phone before modding for your new headband? I have a bit more than a thump of space (like if I stick my thump in between the cup and the plastic logo thingy)

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