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post #5296 of 18011
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I see the HE-500 as slightly dark, especially with pleather pads. Nothing like the HE-400 at all
I totally agree here...he500 is less bright and less agressive then the he400
post #5297 of 18011

Hmm well thats interesting because I was always under the impression that the HE400 were actually quite dark and the HE500 were bright. I guess it is because different people have different interpretations of bright. Think I will skip the HE400 and save for the HE-500 then. How does the brightness of the HE-500 compare to something like Denon D2000 or HD650? Also do the HE-500 have sibilance?

post #5298 of 18011

Will someone please explain it to him? Don't have the time right now...

post #5299 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Hmm well thats interesting because I was always under the impression that the HE400 were actually quite dark and the HE500 were bright. I guess it is because different people have different interpretations of bright. Think I will skip the HE400 and save for the HE-500 then. How does the brightness of the HE-500 compare to something like Denon D2000 or HD650? Also do the HE-500 have sibilance?

As davidhs means..this has been talked about a million times by now..but in short:

The he500 sounds quite different with the velours or pleather..with velours sound gets more open and wider and abit more bright compared to the standard pleather. But the treble never gets as anoying/agressive as on the he400...but the he500 needs a better amp then the he400 to sound on its best.

And i just found out that there also are two kinds of velours pads on the hifiman range..a dark black velours and the lighter grey velours..the person who mentioned it said the dark black velours (of older batches) is the better sounding one..its also a bit thicker..i never knew of this..luckaly i have the dark black velours pads biggrin.gif

Ps..hd650 is the more darker phone of all...very romantic..best pairing with the 337
I never heard any denon..so cant comment on that.

As i said..this has been talked about a lot on different threads..so pls search on headfi to find more info.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/4/13 at 11:34am
post #5300 of 18011

 I will not be getting them for a while anyway.

post #5301 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Hmm well thats interesting because I was always under the impression that the HE400 were actually quite dark and the HE500 were bright. I guess it is because different people have different interpretations of bright. Think I will skip the HE400 and save for the HE-500 then. How does the brightness of the HE-500 compare to something like Denon D2000 or HD650? Also do the HE-500 have sibilance?

To my ears, HE500 is significantly brighter and more sibilant than the HD650. With your preferences, you have better avoid neutral upstream gear.

Or just go for Audeze's

post #5302 of 18011

Found some time biggrin.gif

Anywayz, what hifimanroookie said, and then an addition. 

 

The HE-400 is both bright and dark. Typically a bright headphone is characterized by raised upper mids (and treble). The HE-400 has the exact opposite of raised upper mids. But on the other hand it is sparkly and sizzly due to its elevated treble. So dark and bright, but mostly dark, whatever confused_face(1).gif

 

 

HE-500 has less attenuated higher mids, making it more bright, but it isn't nearly as sibilant/tizzy due to its more tamed treble. Therefore it is a dark-ish and relaxed headphone with a slight sparkle in the treble. The velour pads raises the treble/higher mids a dB or two compared to the pleathers. The pleathers have problems of their own, though. But that's another topic...

 

That is my interpretation.

post #5303 of 18011

Thanks for replies...

 

It is pretty difficult for any headphone NOT to be brighter and more sibilant than the HD650 though because the HD650 has no sibilance at all and very smooth treble. I would want something brighter than HD650 because although they are refined and smooth they are pretty boring and I would like something with a bit more excitement in the treble. I would like something a bit brighter than HD650 but nothing harsh or that emphasises sibilance in recordings. The D2000 were a bit too bright for me, mainly because of the sibilance they have which was pretty painful after a while. The HD650 are too slow and boring for me for most genres. Something between the HD650 and D2000 would be good for me. Basically a D2000 without a recessed midrange / sibilant treble or a HD650 with faster and more exciting sound and sub bass would be my ideal headphone. I think I will give the HE-400 a miss because they seem a bit insane in the FR for me. Sibilance and "tizzy" treble is something I want to avoid.


Edited by nicholars - 6/4/13 at 11:45am
post #5304 of 18011
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Will someone please explain it to him? Don't have the time right now...

LOL. This is how I feel all the time. People cominng in here to ask the same question over and over again without doing any reading on this thread. They don't want to waste their time but don't mind wasting ours...

post #5305 of 18011

BTW

 

Fiio E17 does 7v p-p

E9 does 15v p-p

Lyr does 40v p-p

and Emotiva Mini probably does 80v p-p.

post #5306 of 18011
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

LOL. This is how I feel all the time. People cominng in here to ask the same question over and over again without doing any reading on this thread. They don't want to waste their time but don't mind wasting ours...

 

Meh that is not very nice... I have like 1500 posts on these forums, most of which are trying to help other people...

post #5307 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Thanks for replies...

 

It is pretty difficult for any headphone NOT to be brighter and more sibilant than the HD650 though because the HD650 has no sibilance at all and very smooth treble. I would want something brighter than HD650 because although they are refined and smooth they are pretty boring and I would like something with a bit more excitement in the treble. I would like something a bit brighter than HD650 but nothing harsh or that emphasises sibilance in recordings. The D2000 were a bit too bright for me, mainly because of the sibilance they have which was pretty painful after a while. The HD650 are too slow and boring for me for most genres. Something between the HD650 and D2000 would be good for me. Basically a D2000 without a recessed midrange / sibilant treble or a HD650 with faster and more exciting sound and sub bass would be my ideal headphone. I think I will give the HE-400 a miss because they seem a bit insane in the FR for me. Sibilance and "tizzy" treble is something I want to avoid.

 

If you thought the D2000 were too bright sounding, then I would think the HE-400 might get a little irritating on the treble from time to time. 

 

The HE-500 sits in a good category for you, I think. It's definitely not between the HD650 and D2000 in terms of everything. It's definitely between them in terms of treble and midrange. The bass is much faster and more controlled than both of these headphones. Also the HE-500 will overall sound much faster then both of these. 

 

As a side track, if you're looking for something with a bit more midrange at a lower price you could read into the DT880, AKG K712, or Mad Dogs. I think these are pretty good mid range headphones. 

post #5308 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Thanks for replies...

 

It is pretty difficult for any headphone NOT to be brighter and more sibilant than the HD650 though because the HD650 has no sibilance at all and very smooth treble. I would want something brighter than HD650 because although they are refined and smooth they are pretty boring and I would like something with a bit more excitement in the treble. I would like something a bit brighter than HD650 but nothing harsh or that emphasises sibilance in recordings. The D2000 were a bit too bright for me, mainly because of the sibilance they have which was pretty painful after a while. The HD650 are too slow and boring for me for most genres. Something between the HD650 and D2000 would be good for me. Basically a D2000 without a recessed midrange / sibilant treble or a HD650 with faster and more exciting sound and sub bass would be my ideal headphone. I think I will give the HE-400 a miss because they seem a bit insane in the FR for me. Sibilance and "tizzy" treble is something I want to avoid.

HE-500 has some of the best treble/mids in the business. Yes not fatiguing, not even in the slightest. HD650s and other lower-tiered cans cannot even be compared. Same with bass, it'll destroy all traditional dynamic cans with quality/extension. If you want more details, read up on this thread and the other related threads. Search function is your buddy as well. All your questions have been answered many times before.

post #5309 of 18011

For folks looking for an affordable amplifier with the Hifiman HE-500 I can definitely recommend the Project Sunrise ii kit. There is definitely some good synergy going with this amp and I'm enjoying mine quite a bit. It has good power and drive and lovely sound staging. It drives the HE-500 better than my Lehmann Black Cube Linear and Audiolab M-DAC ever did and without the tizz in the treble as well.

 

The newly launched Project Ember amplifier has even more grunt so it should be an even better match though I don't how anyone would want any additional power over what the Sunrise provides, mine never goes over 11 o'clock on the volume pot unless I'm in the mood for a bit of ringing in the ears, where I had to crank up the M-DAC close to its volume limit to get acceptable output. The Lehmann BCL also seldom went over 12 o'clock, but I think its current delivery is probably limited and not well suited to the demands of orthodynamic headphones.


Edited by daerron - 6/4/13 at 12:06pm
post #5310 of 18011

Thanks for the replies, the HE500 sound like just what I am looking for... Except for the price lol. Will have to get saving for them. Argh will probably need an amplifier as well. What impedance are these? I think my NAD326Bee amplifier might have issues as it has 60ohm heapdhone jack impedance. I also have a Xonar STX headphone jack but I am guessing that will not work very well with the HE500.

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