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post #4921 of 15274
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

No need - orthos aren't affected by high output impedance since they're purely a resistive load with flat impedance curve.

 

I think the headphone jack is plenty for the 500 and the LCD2, in case you want to use the binding post for speaker.

 

But doesn't the headphone jack on the Marantz still have reduced power output compared to the speaker output - also, if true, by how much. I understand that the planar drivers are purely resistive without a reactance component, so not having to worry about impedance matching. Am I missing something here?

 

Also, if I do decide, how I would I go about connecting to the binding post of the Marantz? I already have banana plugs to female XLR adapter that I use to connect my balanced headphone cables into. Although these Marantz units didn't support banana plugs. How would I go about using my current setup with the Marantz. I really don't want to invest in hard wired cables of the Marantz. Would a further banana plugs to pin adapter work with the Marantz post?

post #4922 of 15274
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

But doesn't the headphone jack on the Marantz still have reduced power output compared to the speaker output - also, if true, by how much. I understand that the planar drivers are purely resistive without a reactance component, so not having to worry about impedance matching. Am I missing something here?

 

Also, if I do decide, how I would I go about connecting to the binding post of the Marantz? I already have banana plugs to female XLR adapter that I use to connect my balanced headphone cables into. Although these Marantz units didn't support banana plugs. How would I go about using my current setup with the Marantz. I really don't want to invest in hard wired cables of the Marantz. Would a further banana plugs to pin adapter work with the Marantz post?

Yes, how much I don't know since I don't have its schematic. Power doesn't matter that much, the suggested rating for the He500 is the maximum it can handles, in reality it uses much less. And yes you don't have to worry about impedance matching with orthos.

 

Most vintage stuff uses a different kind of binding post. The gist of its is that you strip bare wires and insert them into the binding post then fasten. Back then it's still "best connector = no connector" running rampant. You don't need any specialty cable, just unscrew/cut the banana and use bare wires

 

post #4923 of 15274
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Yes, how much I don't know since I don't have its schematic. Power doesn't matter that much, the suggested rating for the He500 is the maximum it can handles, in reality it uses much less. And yes you don't have to worry about impedance matching with orthos.

 

Most vintage stuff uses a different kind of binding post. The gist of its is that you strip bare wires and insert them into the binding post then fasten. Back then it's still "best connector = no connector" running rampant. You don't need any specialty cable, just unscrew/cut the banana and use bare wires

 

 

I'll look around for adapters, as I don't want to start opening my banana plug adapter set for headphone. For speakers, I always run them hard wire, with no attachments. The only reason why I don't do that with the headphones is that I keep switching stuff.

 

Regarding the headphone jack, any idea on how much reduction in output there is? I have tried the newer Marantz equipment and tried to run headphones off of the headphone jack. The headphone jack barely has enough power to run my D2000, the planars are absolutely terrible with that. The headphone jack for these amps should be good enough directly? Have you ever tried them?

post #4924 of 15274
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

I'll look around for adapters, as I don't want to start opening my banana plug adapter set for headphone. For speakers, I always run them hard wire, with no attachments. The only reason why I don't do that with the headphones is that I keep switching stuff.

 

Regarding the headphone jack, any idea on how much reduction in output there is? I have tried the newer Marantz equipment and tried to run headphones off of the headphone jack. The headphone jack barely has enough power to run my D2000, the planars are absolutely terrible with that. The headphone jack for these amps should be good enough directly? Have you ever tried them?

4 screws (or 8 screws at worst, if you're using the double screw banana). You could DIY an adapter yourself - buy 4 banana posts then solder bare wire to them - put that in a fancy box if you want wink_face.gif

 

Generally, modern gear likes using a cheap chip-amp solution - and I mean really cheap - sometimes worse than a meager CMoy. They're built to power iBuds, not your fullsize cans =p. Vintage stuff however, the headphone out is tapped directly from the speaker output - think of it as a built in HE-adapter.

 

Overall, the main gripe people have with vintage receiver is that impedance mismatch with dynamic cans. No matter how great the amp section is, your Grado/Denon/K701 won't like 500 ish ohm output impedance.

 

I did try to plug the He-6 into the HP out of a Kenwood 9100 (95WPC) and found they pretty much sound identical to the speaker tap. Funny thing is the Dt1350 I have nearby play really well with the supposedly high output impedance of the Kenwood.

post #4925 of 15274
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

4 screws (or 8 screws at worst, if you're using the double screw banana). You could DIY an adapter yourself - buy 4 banana posts then solder bare wire to them - put that in a fancy box if you want wink_face.gif

 

Generally, modern gear likes using a cheap chip-amp solution - and I mean really cheap - sometimes worse than a meager CMoy. They're built to power iBuds, not your fullsize cans =p. Vintage stuff however, the headphone out is tapped directly from the speaker output - think of it as a built in HE-adapter.

 

Overall, the main gripe people have with vintage receiver is that impedance mismatch with dynamic cans. No matter how great the amp section is, your Grado/Denon/K701 won't like 500 ish ohm output impedance.

 

I did try to plug the He-6 into the HP out of a Kenwood 9100 (95WPC) and found they pretty much sound identical to the speaker tap. Funny thing is the Dt1350 I have nearby play really well with the supposedly high output impedance of the Kenwood.

 

I'm hoping for best case scenario that it kicks ass out of the HP jack. If not, maybe something like this perhaps? - http://www.smarthome.com/48801/Ethereal-Home-Theater-BTIP-Female-Banana-Plug-Pin-Adapter-Set-5-Pack/p.aspx 

post #4926 of 15274
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

4 screws (or 8 screws at worst, if you're using the double screw banana). You could DIY an adapter yourself - buy 4 banana posts then solder bare wire to them - put that in a fancy box if you want wink_face.gif

 

Generally, modern gear likes using a cheap chip-amp solution - and I mean really cheap - sometimes worse than a meager CMoy. They're built to power iBuds, not your fullsize cans =p. Vintage stuff however, the headphone out is tapped directly from the speaker output - think of it as a built in HE-adapter.

 

 

I am sure that I read on this forum that someone checked this and a lot of modern amps (decent quality stereo ones) actually still uses the main amp for the headphone jack as opposed to a cheap chip amp?

post #4927 of 15274
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

I am sure that I read on this forum that someone checked this and a lot of modern amps (decent quality stereo ones) actually still uses the main amp for the headphone jack as opposed to a cheap chip amp?

I'm sure there are still companies that tap the binding post. I think Denon and Marantz comes to mind; Nad tapped some of the model, but with really high impedance (200+). However, if you're using orthos, go for the binding posts. If you're using dynamics, chances are the headphone output won't be as clean as a dedicated headamp anyway. 

 

Also zoom, you can just make another pigtail adapter from 4 pin XLR -> 4 barewires - costs 20 bucks tops =p. Heatshrink/paracord that into something fancy and you might even sell it with profits when you're done experimenting beyersmile.png

post #4928 of 15274
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

I'm sure there are still companies that tap the binding post. I think Denon and Marantz comes to mind; Nad tapped some of the model, but with really high impedance (200+). However, if you're using orthos, go for the binding posts. If you're using dynamics, chances are the headphone output won't be as clean as a dedicated headamp anyway. 

 

Also zoom, you can just make another pigtail adapter from 4 pin XLR -> 4 barewires - costs 20 bucks tops =p. Heatshrink/paracord that into something fancy and you might even sell it with profits when you're done experimenting beyersmile.png

 

Thanks, might consider getting another adapter XLR. I can terminate it to barewire. Also, pins instead should work as well with the old receivers right?

post #4929 of 15274

Ordered the Ebay headband replacement and received today, thanks for the tip regarding the buttons. Works much better for comfort. So much softer. 

post #4930 of 15274
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Ordered the Ebay headband replacement and received today, thanks for the tip regarding the buttons. Works much better for comfort. So much softer. 

Enjoy your sessionsbeerchug.gif

post #4931 of 15274

no regret of blind purchase!!

 

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post #4932 of 15274
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no regret of blind purchase!!

 

!

That awesome moment when you realise your gear matches aesthetically. 

 

My HE-500 was up beside my Yamaha speakers for a week before I noticed they had matching grills biggrin.gif

post #4933 of 15274
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Originally Posted by GREQ View Post

That awesome moment when you realise your gear matches aesthetically. 

 

My HE-500 was up beside my Yamaha speakers for a week before I noticed they had matching grills biggrin.gif

im curious on what speakers you have coz im also a Yamaha-speakers fan...

post #4934 of 15274
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im curious on what speakers you have coz im also a Yamaha-speakers fan...

Yamaha NS-C5B - they're slightly smallish 2-way bookshelf style studio monitors from the early 80's. 

As for the sound, they're not spectacular but as (wall-mounted) laptop speakers they're a treat, easily better than most of the plastic rubbish advertised as computer speakers up to $70-100.

post #4935 of 15274
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no regret of blind purchase!!

 

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+1 for HE500 and HD600. HE500 is a blind purchase for me, though I did audition HD600 vs HD650 vs some others before deciding to get HD600.

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