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post #4876 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

What would you rate higher?

 

Hum, actually it seems I overlooked this one confused.gif. Seems promising indeed...

 

 

Old post:

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Originally Posted by myself

 

Don't know, I never heard the M-Dac. Comments and reviews tend to say it is not a giant killer and some many were disappointed (to the extent I never was interested in it).

 

I wouldn't be surprised if any of the >$1000 DACs actually kill it in most aspects (X-Sabre, Anedio D2, NFB-7, Reference 7.1, Metrum Octave MkII, Conductor...). Even the cheaper NFB-1, Reference-5.32, Metrum Quad and Concero might be better overall.

 

I never read the M-Dac is such a giant Killer...

What other DACs did you compare it to?


Edited by Clemmaster - 5/13/13 at 4:20am
post #4877 of 18011
I use the 500 with lyr love it and odac do you think bifrost would be a worth while upgrade to the odac or minor changes need help
post #4878 of 18011
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

I use the 500 with lyr love it and odac do you think bifrost would be a worth while upgrade to the odac or minor changes need help


it would be pretty minor and hard to notice but there would be a slight change....

post #4879 of 18011
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

I use the 500 with lyr love it and odac do you think bifrost would be a worth while upgrade to the odac or minor changes need help

Relatively minor, save up and get one of the very high performer near 1k imo.

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Hum, actually it seems I overlooked this one confused.gif. Seems promising indeed...

 

 

Old post:

2k is a far stretch. I could name lots of stuff under 1.5k that sounds better (or equal with different presentation) to the Mdac tongue_smile.gif. It's a pretty good value buy here in the UK (~450 pounds used ala $600). I wouldn't touch it if it were $900, especially if you're in Australia where you can import an Octave for ~800-900, and the M51 retails for 1400-ish.

post #4880 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Relatively minor, save up and get one of the very high performer near 1k imo.

2k is a far stretch. I could name lots of stuff under 1.5k that sounds better (or equal with different presentation) to the Mdac tongue_smile.gif. It's a pretty good value buy here in the UK (~450 pounds used ala $600). I wouldn't touch it if it were $900, especially if you're in Australia where you can import an Octave for ~800-900, and the M51 retails for 1400-ish.

 

Could you elaborate on the diff with the Octave?

post #4881 of 18011

In short, MDac: quite better bass, slightly better Prat, brighter, and will sound a bit "sheen" in some system (mine included). Both aren't the last word in dynamics, and soundstage feels a bit flat. The Octave got that slight coloration in the midrange that makes it feel somewhat enchanting to listen to.

 

My death-metal trained hearing got no problem with treble of anything (325is/Dt990 included), but I prefer the Octave for long session. Somehow to this ear, the Metrum Dacs has some special synergy with the Hifimans (explains why I kept it for so long =p).

 

I'm a bit curious about the souped up Mdac, but unless some chaps send me one to try I would not buy a Mdac and send it to Czech to upgrade. Also the total cost borders on the cost of some very fine sounding dac.


Edited by khaine1711 - 5/13/13 at 7:01am
post #4882 of 18011
Thanks you have been a great help
post #4883 of 18011
Regarding SQ / Features / Finish, anybody choosing the octave over the MDAC is simply out of his mind. Yes, I owned both and they sound equally great but for very similar money you get very decent HA, well implemented USB, balanced out,dejittered SPdif out, tons of filters/features, remote, screen and support for track ID, ....
post #4884 of 18011
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post

Regarding SQ / Features / Finish, anybody choosing the octave over the MDAC is simply out of his mind. Yes, I owned both and they sound equally great but for very similar money you get very decent HA, well implemented USB, balanced out,dejittered SPdif out, tons of filters/features, remote, screen and support for track ID, ....
The octave is now greatly improved with same usb as in his bigger brother the hex among other improvements and also no twobox design anymore. wink.gif
post #4885 of 18011
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post

Regarding SQ / Features / Finish, anybody choosing the octave over the MDAC is simply out of his mind. Yes, I owned both and they sound equally great but for very similar money you get very decent HA, well implemented USB, balanced out,dejittered SPdif out, tons of filters/features, remote, screen and support for track ID, ....

It is not really fair to compare that. Mdac is a budget solution that Audiolab commissioned John to do the design, and they outsource the board/parts to save the cost. The consortium had some experience with prior gears (I think John did some of Audiolab kit too) and the design goal is to appeal to wide audience with attractive pricing. I do think Audiolab succeeded on that front. I could list lots of stuff that isn't exactly right with the Mdac, but at the current price, I think it's one of the best sub $600 dac available.

 

The Metrum Dacs are like a DIY project gone commercial with various option (budget, decent and no hold barred). They're still a small company (I think 9 people total) so it's expensive. Back when it were released, there were little to no good sounding alternative (Antelope Zodiac, Weiss), and the design goal is to have as good as possible SQ and ... pardon me... screw everything else. It also succeeded. Compared to the heavy hitters of its time, the Octave is really well done, and a bargan (Zodiac cost 3-4k, same goes for Weiss). However, at present time, I do not think it is a good bargain as it were, unless you buy used. That's the downsize of buying similar products - as great sounding as Metrum/Audio-gd/dB Labs and various small manufacturers are, you won't get a feature rich or visually pleasant unit.

 

Personally I hate the commercial approach of Metrum team (erased chip ID, cherry pick 192 etc etc). But sound wise, it's a cracking unit, and fares pretty well against more expensive dac (before you ask, no it doesn't slay anything 2x 3x its price tongue_smile.gif). The sound however, is an acquired taste. You either like it, or find it way too ordinary/soft sounding/nothing special. The thing sounds nothing like a "typical" NOS dac either. I don't think the Metrum is worth the current MSRP, but buying used it's a great unit.

post #4886 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

It is not really fair to compare that. Mdac is a budget solution that Audiolab commissioned John to do the design, and they outsource the board/parts to save the cost. The consortium had some experience with prior gears (I think John did some of Audiolab kit too) and the design goal is to appeal to wide audience with attractive pricing. I do think Audiolab succeeded on that front. I could list lots of stuff that isn't exactly right with the Mdac, but at the current price, I think it's one of the best sub $600 dac available.

 

The Metrum Dacs are like a DIY project gone commercial with various option (budget, decent and no hold barred). They're still a small company (I think 9 people total) so it's expensive. Back when it were released, there were little to no good sounding alternative (Antelope Zodiac, Weiss), and the design goal is to have as good as possible SQ and ... pardon me... screw everything else. It also succeeded. Compared to the heavy hitters of its time, the Octave is really well done, and a bargan (Zodiac cost 3-4k, same goes for Weiss). However, at present time, I do not think it is a good bargain as it were, unless you buy used. That's the downsize of buying similar products - as great sounding as Metrum/Audio-gd/dB Labs and various small manufacturers are, you won't get a feature rich or visually pleasant unit.

 

Personally I hate the commercial approach of Metrum team (erased chip ID, cherry pick 192 etc etc). But sound wise, it's a cracking unit, and fares pretty well against more expensive dac (before you ask, no it doesn't slay anything 2x 3x its price tongue_smile.gif). The sound however, is an acquired taste. You either like it, or find it way too ordinary/soft sounding/nothing special. The thing sounds nothing like a "typical" NOS dac either. I don't think the Metrum is worth the current MSRP, but buying used it's a great unit.

 

Where can you get it for $600?

post #4887 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Where can you get it for $600?

Used/Ex-demo price in the UK is around 450 pounds, you can get it down to 400 pounds if you ask/haggle nicely bigsmile_face.gif

post #4888 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Used/Ex-demo price in the UK is around 450 pounds, you can get it down to 400 pounds if you ask/haggle nicely bigsmile_face.gif

 

Haha ya will try. Any knowledge on how much or where to possibly acquire in North America new. I'm here in Canada and I see Canadacomputers carrying for $899.

 

Any place to get it new and cheap?

 

Also any clue on how M-DAC fares to Concero?

post #4889 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Haha ya will try. Any knowledge on how much or where to possibly acquire in North America new. I'm here in Canada and I see Canadacomputers carrying for $899.

 

Any place to get it new and cheap?

 

Also any clue on how M-DAC fares to Concero?

No clue in that corner of the world, I don't think the Mdac sell as well in the US compared to the UK. However I'd look into other options too. Being in North America gives you a wide range of choice (for a good price too). The best dac in the price range comment is more for the UK market, where most things got like 30-50% mark up in price - hello "special offer" 2500 pounds PWD2!

 

Mdac and concero, quite close to each other, although I'd give the edge to the Mdac - mostly in the fuctionality and future proof department. Sound wise I think the Concero is hold back by the V-bus power, and the minimalistic design. It did sound quite balance and even - among the more pleasant sounding Sabre dac.

 

The funny thing about the Concero is that, it works better as a transport than a Dac. And I still have the Apple remote lying in the corner bigsmile_face.gif


Edited by khaine1711 - 5/13/13 at 10:54am
post #4890 of 18011
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

In short, MDac: quite better bass, slightly better Prat, brighter, and will sound a bit "sheen" in some system (mine included). Both aren't the last word in dynamics, and soundstage feels a bit flat. The Octave got that slight coloration in the midrange that makes it feel somewhat enchanting to listen to.

 

My death-metal trained hearing got no problem with treble of anything (325is/Dt990 included), but I prefer the Octave for long session. Somehow to this ear, the Metrum Dacs has some special synergy with the Hifimans (explains why I kept it for so long =p).

 

I'm a bit curious about the souped up Mdac, but unless some chaps send me one to try I would not buy a Mdac and send it to Czech to upgrade. Also the total cost borders on the cost of some very fine sounding dac.

 

When you say "sheen" do you mean it sounds bright or it sounds smoothed?

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