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post #4816 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I think it's better to buy a nicer headphone with a cheaper amp than a good amp and a cheaper headphone (within reason of course).  The reason is that the biggest difference in quality seems to correlate with the headphone.  I noticed a difference between my Total BitHead and O2/ODAC, but it wasn't nearly as big of a difference from going from a DT770 LE to the DT880 or the DT880 to the AKG K702 65th Annies/HE400, etc..

 

unfortunately when people get the cheap amp, they don't always upgrade in the future, and then they're always bottlenecking the headphone.

 

and theres a ton of those threads with people buying LCD-2 or HD 800 or whatever and then asking for an amp under 150$ 

post #4817 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

unfortunately when people get the cheap amp, they don't always upgrade in the future, and then they're always bottlenecking the headphone.

and theres a ton of those threads with people buying LCD-2 or HD 800 or whatever and then asking for an amp under 150$ 

I agree with u completely. Although my amp is considered budget (even with my expensive 5998 and meshplated tungsols in it) for some here i found out getting a better amp gives u some headspace if u ever wanna upgrade to a better headphone (he300,he400 and now he500). Imho ofcourse
post #4818 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

unfortunately when people get the cheap amp, they don't always upgrade in the future, and then they're always bottlenecking the headphone.

 

and theres a ton of those threads with people buying LCD-2 or HD 800 or whatever and then asking for an amp under 150$ 

I would still probably rather have the LCD2/HD800 with $150 amp than HE400 with Lyr or whatever high-end amp.  The difference between the O2/DAC and my Bithead is very small.  Same with my brother's Essence One versus the Audioquest DragonFly.  I A/B'ed it over and over and could tell the difference (it wasn't easy to discern), but I hardly thought it was worth over 2x the cost.  

post #4819 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I would still probably rather have the LCD2/HD800 with $150 amp than HE400 with Lyr or whatever high-end amp.  The difference between the O2/DAC and my Bithead is very small.  Same with my brother's Essence One versus the Audioquest DragonFly.  I A/B'ed it over and over and could tell the difference (it wasn't easy to discern), but I hardly thought it was worth over 2x the cost.  
I dont know exactly with which headphone u compared the amps with..as some headphones are not to difficult which amp drives them..i am coming from a modified matrix mstage. One of the amps considered to be killers in their priceclass and above...and they drove my he300 wonderfull..they did same thing with my he400 and yes they drove my he500 with gain on 10db extremely well...but by accident i stumbled upon a guy who wanted to sell his 3322and 337 as he said they DIDNT pair well with his newboight hd800 (and he was right by the way!)...out of curiosity i tried the 337 with my he500 while i compared it to my trustfull mstage..u have to know also..iwas a tube-a-phobic at that time! So i had big doubts it would better my mstage..but my god..it was as if my he500 was a whole different headphone...soundstage was huge, voices never sounded so real, highs were velvetly, and the lows were controlled...i paid him on the spot the amount he asked for..didnt even bargained for a lower price..i was competely blown away! and that was with cheapish svetlana tubes! Now i have around 400 usd on tubes in it and i got myself 2 juicy powercables..and a quality headphone cable....and it sings wonderfully....especially on life recordings of queen..as if ur there.. I know this amp is not high end...but it shows that if ur willing to spend a bit for the right amp u will get more out of ur high end phone..especially the he500/6/5le, lcd2/3, hd800 and i believe the fostex900 also, needs good tlc from a quality amp.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 5/10/13 at 5:30pm
post #4820 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I dont know exactly with which headphone u compared the amps with..as some headphones are not to difficult which amp drives them..i am coming from a modified matrix mstage. One of the amps considered to be killers in their priceclass and above...and they drove my he300 wonderfull..they did same thing with my he400 and yes they drove my he500 with gain on 10db extremely well...but by accident i stumbled upon a guy who wanted to sell his 3322and 337 as he said they DIDNT pair well with his newboight hd800 (and he was right by the way!)...out of curiosity i tried the 337 with my he500 while i compared it to my trustfull mstage..u have to know also..iwas a tube-a-phobic at that time! So i had big doubts it would better my mstage..but my god..it was as if my he500 was a whole different headphone...soundstage was huge, voices never sounded so real, highs were velvetly, and the lows were controlled...i paid him on the spot the amount he asked for..didnt even bargained for a lower price..i was competely blown away! and that was with cheapish svetlana tubes! Now i have around 400 usd on tubes in it and i got myself 2 juicy powercables..and a quality headphone cable....and it sings wonderfully....especially on life recordings of queen..as if ur there.. I know this amp is not high end...but it shows that if ur willing to spend a bit for the right amp u will get more out of ur high end phone..especially the he500/6/5le, lcd2/3, hd800 and i believe the fostex900 also, needs good tlc from a quality amp.

You missed the point entirely. He's saying the Hd800 with a mstage (for instance) will sound better than the He400 paired with any 700 bucks amp of your choice. That I'd agree with completely.

 

He is not saying that you don't need a good amp to get them to full potential or whatsoever

post #4821 of 18030
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

You missed the point entirely. He's saying the Hd800 with a mstage (for instance) will sound better than the He400 paired with any 700 bucks amp of your choice. That I'd agree with completely.

He is not saying that you don't need a good amp to get them to full potential or whatsoever
I agree with that last line also...but with my post i only tried to say...get the amp which synergizes best with the phone...

By the way..i read on different threads that a he400 with a lyr (for the price a very good amp)for instance sounds far better then a he500 with bad amping..just saying..

..So the thing we are talking bout is also a bit of a personal taste.

As the main question here is: how low can u go until u can say that the quality of the amp holds back the true quality of the higher end phones.

In my opinion its all about personal opinion and taste...for one the mstage (as example) is unbelievable (i was one of those..and still think that little amp is exceptional) for others its just the beginning...as they want more out of their expensive headphones..same goes for powercables, anti vibration thingies, headphone cables and so on...
post #4822 of 18030

Mmmm yes except the last 3 things you mentioned are a ripoff.... whereas amps, although overpriced are not a ripoff.

post #4823 of 18030
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

You missed the point entirely. He's saying the Hd800 with a mstage (for instance) will sound better than the He400 paired with any 700 bucks amp of your choice. That I'd agree with completely.

 

He is not saying that you don't need a good amp to get them to full potential or whatsoever

This!  

 

I just got the HE500 and am running on O2/ODAC.  Do I plan to get a better amp?  Most likely, yes.  You obviously have more experience than I do, and I'm not saying that you're wrong.  However, I was not impressed, for example, with the Sennheiser HD650 with custom cable and very high end amp at the Austin meet.  Granted meetups are not ideal because of the ambient noise, and maybe I was biased because I was already in love with the HE400, which I listened to first and had already been looking to purchase.  

 

I'm just relaying my experience for other noobs like me, lol.  I'm very curious to see how my HE500s sound on my brother's Essence One versus the O2/ODAC this weekend.  

post #4824 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


By the way..i read on different threads that a he400 with a lyr (for the price a very good amp)for instance sounds far better then a he500 with bad amping..just saying..

 

I would be very interested in trying this out for myself.

post #4825 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I would be very interested in trying this out for myself.

Well it's really easy to make a headphone sound bad so ... biggrin.gif. I could do the reverse and pair the He-500 with a vintage pioneer/marantz receiver, and I'm sure it'll sound better than the he400 and a Lyr.

 

That's not fair to compare used vs new - but when budget is of concern, who'd buy new bigsmile_face.gif.

post #4826 of 18030
I am gonna trade in my he500 for this special hd800.


Edited by Contrails - 5/10/13 at 7:06pm
post #4827 of 18030
If you can afford it the lyr with the 500 are great they really add a lot, but I think headphones are more important than the amp
post #4828 of 18030
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

If you can afford it the lyr with the 500 are great they really add a lot, but I think headphones are more important than the amp

Lyr over Woo Audio WA6?

post #4829 of 18030
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Originally Posted by tuna47 View Post

If you can afford it the lyr with the 500 are great they really add a lot, but I think headphones are more important than the amp
My point is..if u CAN afford an expensive headphone like a he500 a hd800 or even a lcd2 whyin the hell would u skimp on ur amp no matter which component has the bigger impact on sound or not...as i once said..people who has the money to spend on a porsche wont be buying low budget tyres from kwikfit..eventhough most of them wont need more 75% of the time..they bring u everywhere just like the high speed low profile continental/goodyear/dunlop tyres do...but when u do need/want to use all ur power u better have good tyres...or else they will be dangerous...simple as that..if u spend lost of money on one component why skimp on the other parts..in my eyes that doesnt make sense..no matter the impact..

By the way..a lyr is in my eyes not an expensive amp..its the least expensive amp i heard that can really show what the he500 can do...like my amp.but.again a bit more expensive..and its not about wanting to spend money because its an expensive amp...but i do know..better high quality amps give u better sound with the high end phones..some do better with some phones others do better with other phones...i cant imagine a stax sr007 owner using a mstage (i dont even know if thats possible technically) as amp..thats just ludacris...

What i am always wondering about is this..why buy an expensive high end phone while the rest of ur rig is mediocre..but i guess it must be only me wondering this and if so then it must be really silly to pay up around 3500usd for a amp/dac combo for my he500 soon.

But i only do that as i am going to upgrade from he500 to he6 next year.....but as i said...i must be only one who believes that all parts in ur rig must be equal in quality so they synergize best. And for that u have to invest in all ur components....imho ofcourse again..as i said...my 337 completely transformed how my he500 sounded like compared to the mstage....so i cant believe that an amp cant make a HUGE difference in ur listening experience...u just have to Find the right one i guess...and in ur own budget.
post #4830 of 18030
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


My point is..if u CAN afford an expensive headphone like a he500 a hd800 or even a lcd2 whyin the hell would u skimp on ur amp no matter which component has the bigger impact on sound or not...as i once said..people who has the money to spend on a porsche wont be buying low budget tyres from kwikfit..eventhough most of them wont need more 75% of the time..they bring u everywhere just like the high speed low profile continental/goodyear/dunlop tyres do...but when u do need/want to use all ur power u better have good tyres...or else they will be dangerous...simple as that..if u spend lost of money on one component why skimp on the other parts..in my eyes that doesnt make sense..no matter the impact..

By the way..a lyr is in my eyes not an expensive amp..its the least expensive amp i heard that can really show what the he500 can do...like my amp.but.again a bit more expensive..and its not about wanting to spend money because its an expensive amp...but i do know..better high quality amps give u better sound with the high end phones..some do better with some phones others do better with other phones...i cant imagine a stax sr007 owner using a mstage (i dont even know if thats possible technically) as amp..thats just ludacris...

What i am always wondering about is this..why buy an expensive high end phone while the rest of ur rig is mediocre..but i guess it must be only me wondering this and if so then it must be really silly to pay up around 3500usd for a amp/dac combo for my he500 soon.

But i only do that as i am going to upgrade from he500 to he6 next year.....but as i said...i must be only one who believes that all parts in ur rig must be equal in quality so they synergize best. And for that u have to invest in all ur components....imho ofcourse again..as i said...my 337 completely transformed how my he500 sounded like compared to the mstage....so i cant believe that an amp cant make a HUGE difference in ur listening experience...u just have to Find the right one i guess...and in ur own budget.

I totally get what you're saying, but it's the same thing with everything in life.  Some people don't think it's worth the extra expense for the gain.  If I could afford to have the best of everything, I would do it, but I don't make that much money.  I've heard of people with $20k home theater setups who live in a $500/month apartment.  A lot of people think that's dumb.  I just see it as a different priority.  Some people don't care about their living space but care about their sound.  Likewise, some people don't think it's worth spending $600 or whatever on an amp even though it does sound better because the gain isn't enough to justify the added expense.  

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