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I keep hearing conflicting accounts of how similar the HE-500 tonal balance is to the HE-6.  For those of you who've heard the HE-6 in an adequately powerful rig, is the tonal balance close?  

 

It's been a long time since I heard the HE-6 and having read so many varying impressions since, I don't really trust my memory anymore.


Edited by sphinxvc - 7/16/11 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

You´re not alone. I think that as well. However, having said that, I did not find the HD800 "dark" as you say. On the other hand, I didn´t find the HD800 "bright" as others have said. The HD800 was pretty neutral to me.

 

Regardig the HE.500, I´m in a bit of a fight with my own mind on these. They sounds less articulatet and detailed compared to the LCD-2. I find the HE-500 pretty appealing though...

 

However, my impression is that the HE-500 is more picky about the amp / source you use with them. More picky than the LCD-2.

 

I´ll keep my HE-500 (I think p.t) in order to find the right monster amp to them. They need power. Lots of it.


You're due to receive Rev. 2 LCDs, right?  From the initial impressions of that phone it sounds like it bridges the gap somewhat between the HE-500s and Rev. 1s--looking forward to some comparative impressions.

 

About the power and the question you asked on the other thread...Fang recommends that his speaker adapter shouldn't be used on the HE-500s..FWIW.

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You're due to receive Rev. 2 LCDs, right?  From the initial impressions of that phone it sounds like it bridges the gap somewhat between the HE-500s and Rev. 1s--looking forward to some comparative impressions.

 

About the power and the question you asked on the other thread...Fang recommends that his speaker adapter shouldn't be used on the HE-500s..FWIW.



I've got HE-500's and 2 LCD-2's (rev1 and rev2) here and gave them a good comparison yesterday; difference between HE-500 and the two LCD-2's was way more noticable then between the two LCD-2's (I even question if I don't hear a placebo with rev1 vs rev2, a lot of times I don't hear a significant difference at all).

 

I personally think the sound differences between rev1, rev2 and whichever version is a bit exaggerated sometimes here at head-fi.

Could also be that my ears are not as good as others, but I do very noticably hear differences between HE-500 and LCD-2, although they still share some characteristics vs a lot of other cans, f.e. my T1.

 

Or I do have 2 idem LCD-2 versions, but then Audez'e informed me wrong; I mailed them with my serial numbers and they replied on which versions they were.

 


Edited by Proglover - 7/16/11 at 9:11am
post #469 of 18025

I have the HE-500 and had the HE-6 in the house with a monster balanced amp (10W), and the tonal balance is not even close. The HE-6 is more fascinating to listen to, but the HE-500 is more involving. I would choose the HE-500 anyday on that amp. Anyday.

 

My HD800; just loved them ... until I heard the LCD-2s. I bought the HE-500 based solely on the rewievs on this forum, and the accolades fit. However, the accolades fades when comparing them to the LCD-2s on the 2.7W amp. Sadly, but true. IMHO.

 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

I keep hearing conflicting accounts of how similar the HE-500 tonal balance is to the HE-6.  For those of you who've heard the HE-6 in an adequately powerful rig, is the tonal balance close? 



 


Edited by Loevhagen - 7/16/11 at 10:13am
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I used both 500s and 6s on the rotel amps. They are very similar in all areas when powered with the same amp. The difference is in volume and open presentation. The 500s aren't as expansive, doesn't extend as far at the extremes, aren't quite as resolving but otherwise, they sound pretty close.
post #471 of 18025

Rotel amps? Du you drive the HE-500 from the speaker terminals?

 

If yes; I would like some more information. :)

post #472 of 18025
The 500s cable is different.It's hardwired at the amp end.

The 6s are terminated with 4 pin xlr. It came with a 1.5m extension to a 1/4 male. I had my HE-6 headphone jack removed and terminated with spades. I had that jack put on another cable.These are planar headphones and can take some power. Take a peek in the HE-6 threads. Most are ran from 70s receiver/Integrated amp/monoblock speaker outputs.

I run a 2v source through a passive volume control and into two 125 watt monoblocks. You don't need so much power but some of these guys are pushing 250 watt amps using a 10 ohm resistor across the amp output to parallel the headphone load so the amp sees a more typical load of 8-10 ohms.

The 500s can take some power and opens the dynamics and presentation.
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I used both 500s and 6s on the rotel amps. They are very similar in all areas when powered with the same amp. The difference is in volume and open presentation. The 500s aren't as expansive, doesn't extend as far at the extremes, aren't quite as resolving but otherwise, they sound pretty close.
That's pretty much how I hear it too. Although I also think the HE-500 has a little more upper bass, and the HE-6 more low bass weight.
post #475 of 18025
I wasn't going to go there but yes, the bass is as you say. This is a 500 thread so I didn't want to lay them bare. redface.gif
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"The 500s can take some power and opens the dynamics and presentation."

 

I have heard the HE-500 balanced in 10W, and I therefater have popped the question several times: Why can´t I use the HiFiMAN adapter (stereoamp / headphone) to drive my HE-500. So far I had zero (0) replies.

 

So; if I bought the HiFiMAN adapter and hooked my HE-500 to my 70W (8ohm) / 140W (4ohm) amp, the HE.500 would not get "blown out of the water"?

 

100.000 microF and 1500VA.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Loevhagen - 7/16/11 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

 

"The 500s can take some power and opens the dynamics and presentation."

 

I have heard the HE-500 balanced in 10W, and I therefater have popped the question several times: Why can´t I use the HiFiMAN adapter (stereoamp / headphone) to drive my HE-500. So far I had zero (0) replies.

 

So; if I bought the HiFiMAN adapter and hooked my HE-500 to my 70W (8ohm) / 140W (4ohm) amp, the HE.500 would not get "blown out of the water"?

 

100.000 microF and 1500VA.

 

 

 

That adapter is to bring down the impedance of the 6 to about 8ohms so that you can connect the 6 to a speaker amp's 8ohm tap. There's a 10ohm resistor inside in parallel with the 6's 50ohm impedance.

 

What is the 500's impedance?

 

post #478 of 18025

I found it, the 500's Impedance is 38ohms. So 10ohms in parallel should still be good. Get two 10 ohms non-inducting wirewound resistors like these

 

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=005-10

 

You need to change the 500's TRS connector to pigtail. Then connect the resistors in parallel on each side of your amplifier's speaker output with the 500's.

Then your good to go.

 

When you bring down the impedance to about 8ohms, it makes it easier for the amplifier to drive your headphone. Most speaker amps are designed to drive

loads from 4 to 16 ohms.


Edited by wuwhere - 7/16/11 at 6:17pm
post #479 of 18025
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Despite their slightly improved efficiency over the older HE-5 and HE-5 LE, the HE-500 still really perform best with a stout amp, like my ZDT or the EF5.  I seem to recall the DNA Sonett isn't the most powerful amp out there, and like my maxed WA6 it might not be the best match for the HE-500.  However, in my case my WA6 makes the HE-500 sound slightly bright, not dark.  Regardless, your description of "darkly veiled, not true-to-timbre, and quite muddled during complex orchestral passages" is NOTHING like what I hear, not even on an underpowered amp.  It could still somehow be poor synergy with your current gear.

 


Many thanks for your comments. My Sonett is balanced out only. I have been listening to the HE-500 on my Rudistor RP010Bmk2, which can deliver well over 1 wpc, and the HE-500 runs loud with the volume control at ~30-40%. Maybe I should jerry-rig a connector and try it on the Opera-30 I keep hidden in the closet (waiting for me to get time to replace its "humdingers" with a DC filament supply)? That did make the LCD-2 much happier, consistent with others' remarks.

 

 

post #480 of 18025
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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

 

 

 

 

 

"The 500s can take some power and opens the dynamics and presentation."

 

I have heard the HE-500 balanced in 10W, and I therefater have popped the question several times: Why can´t I use the HiFiMAN adapter (stereoamp / headphone) to drive my HE-500. So far I had zero (0) replies.

 

So; if I bought the HiFiMAN adapter and hooked my HE-500 to my 70W (8ohm) / 140W (4ohm) amp, the HE.500 would not get "blown out of the water"?

 

100.000 microF and 1500VA.

 

 

 

 

 

 


70 wpc doesn't require the resistor. Yeah, connect the HE-6 cable to your cans and your good. Just keep the volume knob off/down when turning on.
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