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post #3976 of 14165
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Originally Posted by d34dh0r53 View Post

Hey rookie,

 

Sorry I thought I PM'd you this morning but that was the other member interested.  I work 9P-9A on the weekends and I'm pretty toasted by 9A so my apologies for not letting you know that I got the pads in on Saturday.  I'll be working on them this week, hopefully shipping by mid-week.  Time to get nervous! :)

Take ur time my friend..i prefer quality over quickies anytime..

 

just make the best jerg pads u can and then i am happy too..dont worry bout pm'ing me..i know ur working on it..and have big faith in u..because if ur pads are as Good as i think they will be..i will be advertising ur work to anyone..and u know i can be pretty defensive (or scary) about things i like or support...right guys?biggrin.gif

 

working from 9 to 9? My god..here in holland we call that student slavery..biggrin.gif And. U probably wont get 140 dollars an hour also huh? Like the guys get on oil drill islands in the sea...they also do those kind of hours..but they get paid in full for that hard work.5000 euro a month if i am not mistaken..and thats for rookies..more experienced workers earn more..wink.gif


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/24/13 at 8:54pm
post #3977 of 14165

wow this thread has gotten pretty bad haha.  emotiva is just gods gift to the he-500 apparently? people thinking the headphone sucks when listening with a 200$ system that is extremely bottlenecked?  come on guys you can do better than this

 

listening through an e7 is not going to do much for the HE-500 :3 did you not know that? I hope you knew before making such a purchase.  The HE-500 can sound pretty good on its own out of a phone or something, but in a proper system it's going to blow that away.  Do I even need to be saying this? jeez.

 

stop complaining about the phone if you're not willing to invest in a system. downgrade or shush if you want your cheapo amp/dac to do magic tricks.  I hope we don't need audio chains explained to us after we've invested 700 bucks into a phone. :|

 

as someone said yes the same tired subjects about proper amplification, news flash here people, (generally) more expensive amplifiers and DACs have better sound in nearly every category.  you can try to guess if the he-500 will benefit from that

post #3978 of 14165
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post

wow this thread has gotten pretty bad haha.  emotiva is just gods gift to the he-500 apparently? people thinking the headphone sucks when listening with a 200$ system that is extremely bottlenecked?  come on guys you can do better than this

listening through an e7 is not going to do much for the HE-500 :3 did you not know that? I hope you knew before making such a purchase.  The HE-500 can sound pretty good on its own out of a phone or something, but in a proper system it's going to blow that away.  Do I even need to be saying this? jeez.

stop complaining about the phone if you're not willing to invest in a system. downgrade or shush if you want your cheapo amp/dac to do magic tricks.  I hope we don't need audio chains explained to us after we've invested 700 bucks into a phone. :|

as someone said yes the same tired subjects about proper amplification, news flash here people, (generally) more expensive amplifiers and DACs have better sound in nearly every category.  you can try to guess if the he-500 will benefit from that
Sounds pretty good from the Magni.
post #3979 of 14165
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Originally Posted by Llloyd View Post

wow this thread has gotten pretty bad haha.  emotiva is just gods gift to the he-500 apparently? people thinking the headphone sucks when listening with a 200$ system that is extremely bottlenecked?  come on guys you can do better than this

 

listening through an e7 is not going to do much for the HE-500 :3 did you not know that? I hope you knew before making such a purchase.  The HE-500 can sound pretty good on its own out of a phone or something, but in a proper system it's going to blow that away.  Do I even need to be saying this? jeez.

 

stop complaining about the phone if you're not willing to invest in a system. downgrade or shush if you want your cheapo amp/dac to do magic tricks.  I hope we don't need audio chains explained to us after we've invested 700 bucks into a phone. :|

 

as someone said yes the same tired subjects about proper amplification, news flash here people, (generally) more expensive amplifiers and DACs have better sound in nearly every category.  you can try to guess if the he-500 will benefit from that

What u say is so right..i believe the same thing...(ssshht..dont tell anyone i said that..lolz).thats why i am going to invest around 2200 on my new to make custommade amp/dac by my own specs by blue circle audio (if i ever get a quote..am waiting for 2 weeks now, but they are extremely busy i understand)

 

It will only have usb input and only balanced output for headphones..nothing more, simple and dedicated design..1 in and 1 out..no filters or gains switches or whatever u can change in the signal with...no flashy screens or lights...only one volume knob in front....it wont even have an on-off switch!only two cases..one for the dac/amp and one for the huge external powersupply...

 

thats why i love my 337 so much..everything is engineered to get the best sound out of the amp for the price..no flashy lights or screens..just dual mono..2 knobs for volume, two powercords for direct delivery of electricity to the dual channels and two on off switches...as if u have two amps in one..all put together in a 18kg (ex tubes!) heavy beast to give u wonderfull music.

 

Upgrading to a better (and in so a much more expensive) amp (or dac!) is only way i think to really get the he500 sound to its extremes.(or any other higher end phone for that matter).and after that its time for me to upgrade to the (its in the pipeline by hifiman...i understand) new uber hifiman called the jade..i read they are working on a new version of the original..

 

but i get a feeliing that i am one of the few who believes that by paying more u can actually get more (its not true for any expensive amps..not all expensive amps are good!) out of higher end ur headphones..any higher end headphones..

 

as lloyd and rezolver said..budget amps can drive those phones reaaly well..my mstage that i had sounded really good with gain on 10db..but i now know..by investing into a better amp i got more satisfaction in listening..

 

Soo..i must be one of the few who thinks that investing in ur rig after buying an expensive headphone is the right path to go...whether cables (power and headphone, rca,xlr,coax), amping,sources(good dac/spdif converter), better powersupply, pc (a ssd harddisk), tuberolling (for tube amps), opamp upgrades, and vibration damping.

But ofcourse i must be crazy to think that..biggrin.gif

have a good one guys!


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/25/13 at 2:54am
post #3980 of 14165

Wow...some of these comments make me want to pull my monoblocks out of storage to run my HE-500's...just kidding.  These cans aren't the easiest to drive...by that I mean make them "shine".  I had this conversation with the techies at Burson Audio after buying the Soloist to drive my HE-500.  They consider the HE-500's a tough load (obviously not one requiring 10-15 watts, but tough nonetheless) and recommend the high gain mode on their very robust headphone amp.  The phones sound very good on that amp - better than they did on my Lyr.  The Lyr has more power - not as much quality power however...IMHO.  The performance exceeds the amp section of my Benchmark DAC1.  The Benchmark amp section is quite good and completely capable of powering the phones, but not with as much control or dynamics of the Burson.  

 

As for the comments in this forum...It's really difficult to compare the sonic qualities of high-end phones - without some good controls (parameters for associated equipment).  High-end phones will report on every aspect of the chain driving them.  I suspect some ppl's DAC's are having more of an impact on the sound of the HE-500's than their amps.

 

For example, right now I am debating placing an asynchronous (V-LINK) usb-to-spdif converter in front of my DAC1 (which is adaptive rather than asynchronous).  BTW, the difference is a little better (wider) soundstaging and details - not that great a difference and more a matter of preference really.   My point is that these phones easily report on this change which is three stages removed in the chain.  

 

In that light, these "strong" exchanges over the impact of different amps is of limited information value (without parity in the rest of the system).  Also once you have $2-3K invested in a headphone system, we are talking preferences and differences on the margins.

 

I also do not think the HE-500's are really "budget" phones - good value...yes, budget..no.  You need a substantial investment upstream to really enjoy them.  Manufacturers try to increase their market penetration by lower expectations around the investment in associated equipment needed.  Don't believe that BUSH (bu--sh--).  It will only get you into online fights...lol.

 

Happy Sounds!!           


Edited by Pasquale - 3/26/13 at 4:33am
post #3981 of 14165

im pretty happy with my V-Link for my DL III, works great, i find my WA6-SE (especially with higher gain tubes), drives them very well. i can agree that they are a tougher load than the rest of my headphones, definitely not budget unless you're comparing it to more expensive options.

post #3982 of 14165

If I lived in the US, I would go for the V-link 192:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MFVL192

 

 

EDIT: the Matrix X-SPDIF:
http://www.matrix-digi.com/en/products/22/index.html


Edited by Anda - 3/26/13 at 11:01am
post #3983 of 14165

Can the he-500 be run reasonably well from the e17? If not would it make a difference if I added an e9? Or would I need to buy another amp?

post #3984 of 14165
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Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post

Can the he-500 be run reasonably well from the e17? If not would it make a difference if I added an e9? Or would I need to buy another amp?

Yes for your first question. You will be missing some dynamics, soundstage, and bass volume though; transparency will also be a little hindered. Of course they still sound like HE500s in terms of refinement, FR and tonal balance.

post #3985 of 14165

Slightly perturbed, ordered HE-500 early this morning from Head Direct only to find our many hours later that they're out of stock, so I cancelled my order (hopefully my refund will be handled quickly). Will go with Audio Advisor (wish me luck) Damn.

post #3986 of 14165
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Originally Posted by gerald410 View Post

Slightly perturbed, ordered HE-500 early this morning from Head Direct only to find our many hours later that they're out of stock, so I cancelled my order (hopefully my refund will be handled quickly). Will go with Audio Advisor (wish me luck) Damn.

That's the second time I've heard of Head Direct doing that lately... I think I'll avoid them. Thanks for the heads up. 

post #3987 of 14165
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Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post

Can the he-500 be run reasonably well from the e17? If not would it make a difference if I added an e9? Or would I need to buy another amp?


e9 would be fine if you listen to lower volumes as it distorts on high volumes

post #3988 of 14165
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post

That's the second time I've heard of Head Direct doing that lately... I think I'll avoid them. Thanks for the heads up. 

Toxic cables is hifiman dealer and they have lots in stock i understand..maybe u can try there?

post #3989 of 14165
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post

That's the second time I've heard of Head Direct doing that lately... I think I'll avoid them. Thanks for the heads up. 

 

Doing what.  Selling headphones until he has no more?  Why would you avoid him?  

post #3990 of 14165
There have been he-400 and he-500 shortages since mid-february

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