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I think you're talking power where roadcykler was talking sound quality. I do agree that sound does not change much between (well designed) amps--it's very, very subtle. Where a headphone is being plain underdriven, that's a different thing.

I sgree with u..plNrs need some headroom of extra power..BUT..maybe its better to say they need QUALITY power..not just raw power..and  no matter the power it has..if it doesnt synergize with the phone u have it doesnt matter how powerfull it is..synergy is the secret ingredient..

like he 500 is perfect with 337

but 337 not so with lcd 2 and 3

but lcd 2/3 do perfectly with v200

hd800 is horrible with 337 ( i actually bought my amp from a newly owner of ahd800biggrin.gif)

but bada amp does perfectly with the hd800

and so the list can go on and on and on..

post #3797 of 16548

...Also let's not forget that DAC's are just as crucial with these type of high end planars.

post #3798 of 16548
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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post

 I'm sure lots of people here will dispute this, 

 

 

 

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This is terrible advice and an opinion I used to hold. Amps DO matter, and power is key for planars. I can attest that the Schiit Magni is sufficient and that the O2 and FiiO E9 are not. Both the E9 and O2 are sufficient for my dynamic headphones though.

 

There's one now. I stand by my original statement and unless someone can produce objective, measurable results, my opinion won't change, but that's another forum.

post #3799 of 16548
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

 

I think you're talking power where roadcykler was talking sound quality. I do agree that sound does not change much between (well designed) amps--it's very, very subtle. Where a headphone is being plain underdriven, that's a different thing.

You are correct, sir. 

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There's one now. I stand by my original statement and unless someone can produce objective, measurable results, my opinion won't change, but that's another forum.
I'm not trying to convince you - anyone who trusts measurements wholly over his or her own ears is looking for something I no longer understand.

I was simply trying to counter what I believe to be a foolish opinion for the benefit of another.
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I'm not trying to convince you - anyone who trusts measurements wholly over his or her own ears is looking for something I no longer understand.

I was simply trying to counter what I believe to be a foolish opinion for the benefit of another.

I understand and I don't rely solely on measurements but when claims are made that cable xxx or amp xxx sounds "faster" or "crisper" I think it's mostly marketing/placebo/hope. But, each of us hears differently so maybe you or others can hear things I can't or maybe you or others hear things that aren't really there. I don't know.

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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post

I understand and I don't rely solely on measurements but when claims are made that cable xxx or amp xxx sounds "faster" or "crisper" I think it's mostly marketing/placebo/hope. But, each of us hears differently so maybe you or others can hear things I can't or maybe you or others hear things that aren't really there. I don't know.
I'm not a cableist, but I used to be quite agnostic about amps. Planars need power. That I've learned firsthand. The other subtleties regarding amps - I'm simply not experienced enough yet.

I only beg that people avoid using an O2 with these headphones.
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Weird though that some of you guys liking the HD700.

I heard the HD700 and it left me a bit unimpressed. It's a bit like Sennheiser deliberately slotted the HD700 between the HD650 and HD800 so perfectly in everything (price, SQ, quality...) that it sounds as if it can sound much better but can't because it mustn't excel the HD800.

I would take the HE-500 any day over the HD700.


Edited by VortexBlast - 3/17/13 at 2:51am
post #3804 of 16548
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I'm not a cableist, but I used to be quite agnostic about amps.

 

I guess you mean you believed that the existence of amps couldn't be proved or disproved.

 

They do exist, I assure you. tongue.gif

post #3805 of 16548
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

I guess you mean you believed that the existence of amps couldn't be proved or disproved.

They do exist, I assure you. tongue.gif
LOL! No, I mean that I wasn't convinced that an amp could really affect a headphone's sound that much.
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LOL! No, I mean that I wasn't convinced that an amp could really affect a headphone's sound that much.

A neutral amp, no. A colored amp, yes - depending on the coloration

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A neutral amp, no. A colored amp, yes - depending on the coloration
What's the color of an amp that increases sound stage?
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


What's the color of an amp that increases sound stage?

Sounstage is comparably much more a characteristic of speakers than headphones. If you have acquaintances practicing tube rolling - tweaks in speakers systems, you could easily dedect fairly big changes in sounstage (often at the cost of ... other sound characteristics). I suppose this applies to headphones at a lesser degree, but I have no clue of the extend of that.

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

I sgree with u..plNrs need some headroom of extra power..BUT..maybe its better to say they need QUALITY power..not just raw power..and  no matter the power it has..if it doesnt synergize with the phone u have it doesnt matter how powerfull it is..synergy is the secret ingredient..

like he 500 is perfect with 337

but 337 not so with lcd 2 and 3

but lcd 2/3 do perfectly with v200

hd800 is horrible with 337 ( i actually bought my amp from a newly owner of ahd800biggrin.gif)

but bada amp does perfectly with the hd800

and so the list can go on and on and on..


Yes, synergy IS the secret ingredient.

 

It appears that you, my friend, are no longer a rookie. biggrin.gif

 

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Yes, synergy IS the secret ingredient.

 

It appears that you, my friend, are no longer a rookie. biggrin.gif

 

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Thank u my friend wink.gif

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