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post #3781 of 14897

No problem.. that's exactly what I did with my Lyr.

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Cheers. Wait do I leave it on for 100 hours straight? not sure if that woul make my tube explode.

post #3782 of 14897

I don't find none of the HiFimans to be slow.  However, the 500s are the slowest of the bunch IMO.  The HE-6, HE-4, HE-5LE has more pep to their step in comparison.  

 

Also, just got the hear the HD700s and yes these are pretty detailed headphones with the speed to keep up with any genre.   I will be giving these another listen very soon.

post #3783 of 14897
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Metal is typically so heavily distorted and typically so poorly recorded that I can see how a narrower soundstage can lend itself to a lack of speed, but the actual decay is pretty fast, IMHO. I can also see how a lack of amping power or straight up amp mismatch could do that as well.

As far as comparing them to stats - aren't stats considered the absolutely fastest transducers available?

 

Maybe balanced armatures are comparable. I am not sure though.

post #3784 of 14897

Just listening to Ghosts 'n'  Stuff - Nero Mix & The Veldt by Deadmou5.  The HE500 bass sounds a little slow and sloppy relative to the HD700.  Not knocking the HE500 at all, love them and are keepers for me.  

Preproman.. would like to hear your impressions of the HD700 after you've spent some time with them/  I really like my HE500/HD700 combo. I'm pretty much at the end game for headphones but am looking at other amp options.

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I don't find none of the HiFimans to be slow.  However, the 500s are the slowest of the bunch IMO.  The HE-6, HE-4, HE-5LE has more pep to their step in comparison.  

 

Also, just got the hear the HD700s and yes these are pretty detailed headphones with the speed to keep up with any genre.   I will be giving these another listen very soon.


Edited by MickeyVee - 3/16/13 at 7:50pm
post #3785 of 14897

I think those are two really good headphones.  I must say - both are a step behind it's bigger brother, but good none the less.  IMO..

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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Just listening to Ghosts 'n'  Stuff - Nero Mix & The Veldt by Deadmou5.  The HE500 bass sounds a little slow and sloppy relative to the HD700.  Not knocking the HE500 at all, love them and are keepers for me.  

Preproman.. would like to hear your impressions of the HD700 after you've spent some time with them/  I really like my HE500/HD700 combo. I'm pretty much at the end game for headphones but am looking at other amp options.

 

Just curious why didn't you go for the Hd800 instead of the 700? 

post #3787 of 14897

Dear learned members of head-fi,

 

I intend to get a Hifiman he-500 myself. For a person who has never spent more than $100 on earphones (or any other hifi accessory), this is a big plunge for me; but I figured that I might as well do it so there's some finality in spending.

 

The issue I have now is that it seems I will need an amplifier and DAC to 'drive' this hifiman.

 

The general impression I'm getting is that the amplifier - fiio e11 - I own would be insufficient to reach the full potential of the hifiman. The implication being that I am not enjoying every last dollar of my hifiman he-500 purchase.

 

As such, could I get some recommendations as to what 1) amplifier and 2) DAC I should be getting, if at all?

 

I was thinking of getting the fiio e07k because it's around USD90 where I live (not the US), and fiios (compared to other brands) are generally sold at competitive prices in my area due to a certain dealer. Anything around the USD100 range (excl. shipping) is going to be acceptable to me. However, if this arbitrary USD100 threshold would not do justice to the hifiman he-500 please also list those other options so I may consider them.  e.g. Ideally I'd get both the DAC and amp in a single-unit hybrid (like the e07k) for USD100; but if I have to spend USD200 (in total) I'll also consider it.

 

I listen to music from my laptop (prime concern) and iPhone (secondary concern). I don't know what EQ is but for future-proofing sake it is a plus (as with all other features I'm not able to understand). The main concern would be 'objective sound quality'.

 

Thank you.

 

[TL;DR: what amp and/or DAC should I get to drive the hifiman he-500 for around USD100 (max USD200)?]


Edited by EasySounds - 3/23/13 at 10:49pm
post #3788 of 14897

I wouldn't worry about a DAC and contrary to some opinions, amps don't make that much difference. There are some that don't drive the headphones as efficiently or allow them to get very loud, but the sound doesn't really change from one amp to another, imo (and many, many others). I'm sure lots of people here will dispute this, but unless you're prepared to test different amps, you'll never know the difference between the first amp you buy and any other one.

 

Think of it like someone born blind. That's all they know and no matter how much you try to explain "blue" to them, you can't. If you only buy one amp to use with your headphones, no matter how hard someone tries to explain another amp to you, they can't. They can only give you their opinion

post #3789 of 14897

Best value (for 100-200 bucks) is to make a speaker tap cable and drive them with a integrated  speaker amp.

 

If you are put off by the idea of speaker amp and stuff; there's still the Schiit Magni amp for $100 (temporary solution); then save up for a good dac/amp later on.

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[TL;DR: what amp and/or DAC should I get to drive the hifiman he-500 for around USD100 (max USD200)?]

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I don't find none of the HiFimans to be slow.  However, the 500s are the slowest of the bunch IMO.  The HE-6, HE-4, HE-5LE has more pep to their step in comparison.  

 

Also, just got the hear the HD700s and yes these are pretty detailed headphones with the speed to keep up with any genre.   I will be giving these another listen very soon.

 

i find the HE-500 a little slow at times, but they seem to keep up the pace with most things, its just their smoothness i think.  whenever i need speed, i go to my T1's. they sound quite similar to the HE-500 in many ways, though they are different. 


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Strange, I have just tried the song with my HE500 and I don't hear sibilance on my setup. The HE500 seem to be forgiving when it comes to sibilance even on recordings that are known to be sibilant for e.g, Massive Attack - Teardrop, it's not that noticeable. If you think the HE500 are sibilant, you should try the DT990 biggrin.gif

 

 

+1, dt 990s much more sibilant. the he-500 i found are extremely forgiving of poor recordings, second to the hd 650. you can tell when a recordings bad cause it sounds bad, but it doesn't hurt your ears with the treble and even brickwalled songs don't seem loud or overly compressed. 

 

 

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Just listening to Ghosts 'n'  Stuff - Nero Mix & The Veldt by Deadmou5.  The HE500 bass sounds a little slow and sloppy relative to the HD700.  Not knocking the HE500 at all, love them and are keepers for me.  

Preproman.. would like to hear your impressions of the HD700 after you've spent some time with them/  I really like my HE500/HD700 combo. I'm pretty much at the end game for headphones but am looking at other amp options.

best headphones for Deadmau5 imo are the LCD-2, the veldt sounds amazing on them cause theres a bit more tightness in the bass, the HE500 is no slouch though. 

post #3791 of 14897
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I wouldn't worry about a DAC and contrary to some opinions, amps don't make that much difference. There are some that don't drive the headphones as efficiently or allow them to get very loud, but the sound doesn't really change from one amp to another, imo (and many, many others).
This is terrible advice and an opinion I used to hold. Amps DO matter, and power is key for planars. I can attest that the Schiit Magni is sufficient and that the O2 and FiiO E9 are not. Both the E9 and O2 are sufficient for my dynamic headphones though.
post #3792 of 14897

No matter how much I wanted to like the HD800, I just couldn't. They were probably underamped when I auditioned them next to the HD700 so I found the bass light and the treble harsh.  I really liked the HD650 I had at the time but wanted tighter  bass with great mids and really good highs. The HD700 did that for me. The fact that the HD800 were $400 more and I was already pushing my budget, they were a no go.

I really wished that I auditioned the HE500 at the time but did not know of a local shop that had them.  Finally found one a few three weeks ago and here I am, a happy HE500 owner... though I am listening to Lindsey Stirling on the HD700 as I write this blink.gif

 

Edit: Just switched over the HE500 (forgive self) for Morgan Page's The Longest Road - Deadmou5 Remix. Simply stunning!

Dubstep Girl.. believe me.. the LCD 2.2 have always been on my radar.  Glad there's no local shop where I can try them.

 

 

 

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Just curious why didn't you go for the Hd800 instead of the 700? 


Edited by MickeyVee - 3/16/13 at 8:39pm
post #3793 of 14897
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Originally Posted by EasySounds View Post

[TL;DR: what amp and/or DAC should I get to drive the hifiman he-500 for around USD100 (max USD200)?]

 

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Best value (for 100-200 bucks) is to make a speaker tap cable and drive them with a integrated  speaker amp.

 

If you are put off by the idea of speaker amp and stuff; there's still the Schiit Magni amp for $100 (temporary solution); then save up for a good dac/amp later on.


+1 on this! Also check out the Audio-gd stuff depending on where you're located.

post #3794 of 14897
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Originally Posted by Ravaholm View Post

 

Cheers. Wait do I leave it on for 100 hours straight? not sure if that woul make my tube explode.

 

LOL Don't do that. Tube amplifiers shouldn't be left on for more than 8 (+/-) hours. With solid state, you can have it playing all the time. 

 

With your equipment, I would play it with about 6 hours, or below the max limit suggested for your amp. Let your amp cool down and then listen to it after a break when the tubes have cooled down.

 

Even with solid state amps, I never really played for more than 10 hours straight. HE-500 drivers are supposed to be good at removing heat but I just didn't bother messing with them too much. 10 hours was the max for me with an hour or two of breaks. 

post #3795 of 14897

Thanks for all the replies.

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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post

I wouldn't worry about a DAC and contrary to some opinions, amps don't make that much difference. There are some that don't drive the headphones as efficiently or allow them to get very loud, but the sound doesn't really change from one amp to another, imo (and many, many others). I'm sure lots of people here will dispute this, but unless you're prepared to test different amps, you'll never know the difference between the first amp you buy and any other one.

 

Think of it like someone born blind. That's all they know and no matter how much you try to explain "blue" to them, you can't. If you only buy one amp to use with your headphones, no matter how hard someone tries to explain another amp to you, they can't. They can only give you their opinion

 

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This is terrible advice and an opinion I used to hold. Amps DO matter, and power is key for planars. I can attest that the Schiit Magni is sufficient and that the O2 and FiiO E9 are not. Both the E9 and O2 are sufficient for my dynamic headphones though.

 

So I guess I'll be going for an amp. How about a DAC?

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Best value (for 100-200 bucks) is to make a speaker tap cable and drive them with a integrated  speaker amp.

 

If you are put off by the idea of speaker amp and stuff; there's still the Schiit Magni amp for $100 (temporary solution); then save up for a good dac/amp later on.

 

I don't know what a speaker tap cable is and I don't think I have the equipment to do what is needed so...

 

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+1 on this! Also check out the Audio-gd stuff depending on where you're located.

 

[edited]

 

No longer interested in schiit magni/modi due to certain problems.

 

I wonder what everyone's opinion is of the following for the HE-500:

1)Grant Fidelity TubeDAC-11 D/A Converter (350USD all inclusive)

2) Audinst hud-mx2 (USD249 all inclusive)

3) NFB 11.32 (USD299~ plus shipping)

 

Thanks.


Edited by EasySounds - 3/17/13 at 5:11am
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