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It seems that you really like Etys too. I will be adding an HF5 to my collection soon as well. It will replace my Phonaks and JVCs. beerchug.gif

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Congrats on that. I'm sure you will enjoy them. They are very good. Interesting. I got mine after my Phonaks fell apart.
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The HE500 do seem slower than my HD700.  It really came as a surprise to me.

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I don't think the He-500 is the slowest hifiman. Just that the not-so-tight bass and the subdued treble gives the impression of being slow. Still faster than most dynamics (sans hd800) and slower than Staxes.

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I know graphs may tell a different story, but to hell with that. To my ears, HD650 is not slow sounding and actually sounds quite snappy with good PRaT. In fact, it often sounds snappier than HE-500 does. Maybe it's due to frequency response differences or something, but that's my experience. I just can't call HD650 slow based on my listening to them so far. And yes, I did try fast and complex music with them and they play it just fine. Also, I am sure Sennheiser wouldn't release what they call a "reference grade" headphone and it wouldn't become so popular among audiophiles, if it choked during complex music passages. wink.gif

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HE-500.

Subdued treble.

The mind reels.


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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

I know graphs may tell a different story, but to hell with that. To my ears, HD650 is not slow sounding and actually sounds quite snappy with good PRaT. In fact, it often sounds snappier than HE-500 does. Maybe it's due to frequency response differences or something, but that's my experience. I just can't call HD650 slow based on my listening to them so far. And yes, I did try fast and complex music with them and they play it just fine. Also, I am sure Sennheiser wouldn't release what they call a "reference grade" headphone and it wouldn't become so popular among audiophiles, if it choked during complex music passages. wink.gif


Most "audiophiles" don't really listen to fast death metal/thrash/speed metal, just saying biggrin.gif. A can is slow doesn't mean it collapse under complex passages - it just means that well... it's slow. Once you try something fast, you'll notice how slow can is ... slow. It's quite apparent even with not so fast music. That's the danger of going to meets/auditions. I used to think my Dt990/600 handles fast metal just fine - until I listen to Staxes and Hd800 .

 

The Hd6xx do most thing fine, excellent even - speed just isn't one of their strengths.

 

Regarding the treble, I guess I could "6moons" it up and write something like "roll off" "effortlessness without subliminal fatigue and greater treble transparency didn’t involve any superficial and stressed analysis"  very_evil_smiley.gif - doesn't change the fact that the He500 treble is rolled off, contributing to its sweet sweet sound (that's not a bad thing!).


Edited by khaine1711 - 3/16/13 at 9:56am
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Regarding the treble, I guess I could "6moons" it up and write something like "roll off" "effortlessness without subliminal fatigue and greater treble transparency didn’t involve any superficial and stressed analysis"  very_evil_smiley.gif - doesn't change the fact that the He500 treble is rolled off, contributing to its sweet sweet sound (that's not a bad thing!).

 

 

I disagree that the treble is rolled off. At least to my ears it doesn't sound like it's rolled off. Sure it hasn't got the amount of treble of a DT880, in fact it has way, way less but I wouldn't called it roll off. It has just the right amount to bring sparkle into the music. I would call the LCD-2 treble rolled off that's for sure.

 

I can't comment on the HD600/650 though. I haven't heard them through a very good amplifier yet. 

 

But still, the HE-500 is just effin sweet (properly amped of course).

 

Oh and also: HE-500 Slow? I don't think so... (Ok, if compared to Staxes, yes it is slow... a lot slower).

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I disagree that the treble is rolled off. At least to my ears it doesn't sound like it's rolled off. Sure it hasn't got the amount of treble of a DT880, in fact it has way, way less but I wouldn't called it roll off. It has just the right amount to bring sparkle into the music. I would call the LCD-2 treble rolled off that's for sure.

 

I can't comment on the HD600/650 though. I haven't heard them through a very good amplifier yet. 

 

But still, the HE-500 is just effin sweet (properly amped of course).

 

Oh and also: HE-500 Slow? I don't think so... (Ok, if compared to Staxes, yes it is slow... a lot slower).

I found out on MY RIG that copper cables affected the sound in a good way..fuller sound and more natural.the AURA powercables gave the sound more air and powerfull..and when i got my hands on herbie's audiolabs tenderfoot to put under my amp the black became blacker..my amp is dead silent now..its a difference u hear with music that has low volumes with lots of details..in past. It had trouble in producing that..but now i can even hear the softest details on my he500 with velours pads..the sound s almost perfect to my ears right now..am working to upgrade my rig to something very special...and much more expensive too..but only this way i thik i can better the sound i have now..the he500 on a 337 with the right tung sol tubes is that good! To my ears anyway..


Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/16/13 at 10:34am
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I found out on MY RIG that copper cables affected the sound in a good way..fuller sound and more natural.the AURA powercables gave the sound more air and powerfull..and when i got my hands on herbie's audiolabs tenderfoot to put under my amp the black became blacker..my amp is dead silent now..its a difference u hear with music that has low volumes with lots of details..in past. It had trouble in producing that..but now i can even hear the softest details on my he500 with velours pads..the sound s almost perfect to my ears right now..am working to upgrade my rig to something very special...and much more expensive too..but only this way i thik i can better the sound i have now..the he500 on a 337 with the right tung sol tubes is that good! To my ears anyway..

 

Yes, I know. Higher end cables can make subtle but noticeable differences in sound but I've already blowed my budget for the Lyr so don't tempt me to buy more. tongue.gif

Though, I have auditioned an ALO Salty Pepper HE-500 cable and it did improve the microdetails and it sounded more fuller, more lush. Also tried a custom 16 braided ALO Reference 16 cable and the soundstage was a lot bigger. But, $500 for cables is pushing it a bit too far for me.

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HE-500 treble is not rolled off. Actually, I find them slightly bright sometimes because of that mid treble peak. Obviously for somebody coming from DT990 or a Grado for example, HE-500 can seem dark by comparison because the highs on those other headphones are even brighter (excessively bright). Also, for someone used to dynamic or balanced armature driver treble presentation, HE-500 highs may seem rolled off because planars produce a softer, less aggressive treble.

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ALO Reference 16

 

500 bucks for 4.5ft of 22awg copper/spc screams overpriced to me; to each his own I guess. Although that's an interesting approach to cable, inter twinning spc with copper. 

 

Also ymmv about the treble. I liked and still like the He-500. The subdued treble should not be construed criticism wink.gif


Edited by khaine1711 - 3/16/13 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

 

Yes, I know. Higher end cables can make subtle but noticeable differences in sound but I've already blowed my budget for the Lyr so don't tempt me to buy more. tongue.gif

Though, I have auditioned an ALO Salty Pepper HE-500 cable and it did improve the microdetails and it sounded more fuller, more lush. Also tried a custom 16 braided ALO Reference 16 cable and the soundstage was a lot bigger. But, $500 for cables is pushing it a bit too far for me.

I have toxic cables black widows 22awg copper cable..its cheaper then i can imagine..but the sound and quality of built....outrageous good,.check their appreciation thread..u will be suprised..i am very satisfied with their cables..i have a second even better cable on its way..and its by far not 500!,,

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Metal is typically so heavily distorted and typically so poorly recorded that I can see how a narrower soundstage can lend itself to a lack of speed, but the actual decay is pretty fast, IMHO. I can also see how a lack of amping power or straight up amp mismatch could do that as well.

As far as comparing them to stats - aren't stats considered the absolutely fastest transducers available?
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Hard to explain. Can't be fast without fast decay, but fast decay itself does not guarantee speed (Grado 225i/325is is a prime example of this). Soundstage doesn't mean much i.e. LCD2 - narrow but still really fast.

 

Speed is irrelevant to most people so let's leave it at that =p. The he500 is fast; just that its sound sig gives the impression illusion of it being slower than other Hifimans.

 

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Metal is typically so heavily distorted and typically so poorly recorded that I can see how a narrower soundstage can lend itself to a lack of speed, but the actual decay is pretty fast, IMHO. I can also see how a lack of amping power or straight up amp mismatch could do that as well.

As far as comparing them to stats - aren't stats considered the absolutely fastest transducers available?
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Hey guys I'm new here, I just got the HE-500, how high should the highs be on these? I listen to quite a bit of Jpop and the is a lot of "sss" and "tsss" pronunciation in their lyrics. Even on half volume they are still sort ear piercing. Are my headphones defective or do I just need burn in?

EDIT: I use an Aune T1 amp/dac with an OTK NOS Voskhod 6n23p tube.


Edited by Ravaholm - 3/16/13 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Hard to explain. Can't be fast without fast decay, but fast decay itself does not guarantee speed (Grado 225i/325is is a prime example of this). Soundstage doesn't mean much i.e. LCD2 - narrow but still really fast.

Speed is irrelevant to most people so let's leave it at that =p. The he500 is fast; just that its sound sig gives the impression illusion of it being slower than other Hifimans.
You compared them speed-wise to Stax and HD800 - two types of cans that are said to excel at soundstage.

Listening to fast classical, the soundstage is a bit of a setback for the HE-500. I am beginning to like classical violin and when listening with the HE-500, I feel like I'm sitting in the violinist's lap. Nonetheless, it handles the speed and dynamic range pretty well.
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