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Thanks for the advice, everyone.  While I do like the excitement of the Grado sound with rock and indie music (and they pair incredibly well with warm recordings), I agree that they're overly bright and they can definitely become grating, which is why I was looking for something new.  I'd say detail is the most important factor to me in headphone choice, so I thought the HE-500s would work well.  And I still think I would be very happy with them if not for the bloomy, congested sound I'm getting, which I assume is different from what you might call smoothness or lushness.  I've heard some people say that the O2 is great with the HE-500s and some people say it's awful.  I've also heard some people say that the HE-500 needs no burn in, and others say it needs 100 hours.  Hard to know what to believe in the audio world, eh?

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Originally Posted by harpsm View Post

Thanks for the advice, everyone.  While I do like the excitement of the Grado sound with rock and indie music (and they pair incredibly well with warm recordings), I agree that they're overly bright and they can definitely become grating, which is why I was looking for something new.  I'd say detail is the most important factor to me in headphone choice, so I thought the HE-500s would work well.  And I still think I would be very happy with them if not for the bloomy, congested sound I'm getting, which I assume is different from what you might call smoothness or lushness.  I've heard some people say that the O2 is great with the HE-500s and some people say it's awful.  I've also heard some people say that the HE-500 needs no burn in, and others say it needs 100 hours.  Hard to know what to believe in the audio world, eh?

Anyone who says the he500 doenst need burn in time is or deaf, or bought an already burned in one(sold as new..it happens!!), or their equipment is not on par with whats needed for a planar to sound good..or simply doesnt have one at all....i listened to a burned in version just before i got mine delivered all virgin..and believe me..it was different..i didnt like the sound first on my he500..it was a bit grainy and muddy (just as my he400 and my he300 i had owned)..but as i knew how it could sound i kept on to it..and let it play in another room on my mstage (sold now) for 100 hours straight..day and night on medium levels..with lots of DIFFERENT kinds of music..my he500 sounded good on my mstage also by the way (on gain 10)...only then iswitched over to my wonderfull 337...believe me..more phone u dont need..only maybe if u spend double the amount u will get better phone..imho...its open, airy, huge soundstage..and those female voices..my god..or violins..am going to invest in a nad m51 in a month or 3...that will be the supercharge on my rig..first going listen to it on the london meet from a fellow headfi'er..and if its as good as they say..well..lets say my wallet and wife wont like it..lolz


Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/28/13 at 3:24pm
post #3393 of 14652
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Originally Posted by harpsm View Post

Thanks for the advice, everyone.  While I do like the excitement of the Grado sound with rock and indie music (and they pair incredibly well with warm recordings), I agree that they're overly bright and they can definitely become grating, which is why I was looking for something new.  I'd say detail is the most important factor to me in headphone choice, so I thought the HE-500s would work well.  And I still think I would be very happy with them if not for the bloomy, congested sound I'm getting, which I assume is different from what you might call smoothness or lushness.  I've heard some people say that the O2 is great with the HE-500s and some people say it's awful.  I've also heard some people say that the HE-500 needs no burn in, and others say it needs 100 hours.  Hard to know what to believe in the audio world, eh?
I'd get a different amp, but not necessarily an expensive one. You need one that properly feeds them. In my experience the O2 doesn't. I was ambivalent regarding amps until I personally experienced the difference a proper amp makes with the HE-500.
Edited by disastermouse - 2/28/13 at 5:22pm
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I'd get a different amp, but not necessarily an expensive one. You need one that properly feeds them. In my experience the O2 doesn't. I was ambivalent regarding amps until I personally experienced the difference a proper amp makes with the HE-500.

Couldn't agree more. A good Amp makes all the difference. Shockingly so. 

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I'm listening to them right now on monoblock 125w amps and they sound almost as good as the 6s. These are hardwired and recabled so I'm sure that helps but the clarity and separation really helps making a soundstage. And no, I'm not using all that power, it's the current reserves that make the orthos sing and few headphone amps have enough.
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post

I'd get a different amp, but not necessarily an expensive one. You need one that properly feeds them. In my experience the O2 doesn't. I was ambivalent regarding amps until I personally experienced the difference a proper amp makes with the HE-500.
You keep going on and on posting this. We get it, you don't have the correct wall wart/gain setting to use the o2 with your specific dac without clipping on the he-500. Just because you can't seem to rap your head around this doesn't mean you need to post everywhere that the o2 doesn't sound well with the he-500. At least set yours up correctly and then you can spout your opinion all over the forums. I think that's fair.

I don't want to come off as a tool, but if I know all about your issue just from browsing the forums you're going a little overboard.
Edited by Shazb0t - 2/28/13 at 6:33pm
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Weird. My experience is completely different as I've experienced zero burn in effect with the HE-500 and struggled for months to get the O2 to sound adequate with the HE-500, ultimately failing completely.

 

Psst, that's because there isn't such a thing as burn in.

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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post


You keep going on and on posting this. We get it, you don't have the correct wall wart/gain setting to use the o2 with your specific dac without clipping on the he-500. Just because you can't seem to rap your head around this doesn't mean you need to post everywhere that the o2 doesn't sound well with the he-500. At least set yours up correctly and then you can spout your opinion all over the forums. I think that's fair.

I don't want to come off as a tool, but if I know all about your issue just from browsing the forums you're going a little overboard.
Why doesn't the O2 come from JDS Labs with a proper wall wart? I listened to people spouting all the objective reasons that the O2 was a proper amp for the HE-500 and it isn't - not the way it comes from the shop. I don't want people running away from a $700 investment in the HE-500 because they're trying to run it on an O2. The O2 is simply not sufficient to drive these headphones! It just isn't...not as given to me by a pre-fab maker.

What's worse is that in the sound science forum and on Voldemort's blog they specifically trash Schiit as an irresponsible amp maker. That scared me away and cost me time and money trying to make the O2 work reasonably well with my HE-500 and they just couldn't do it. I'm reasonably certain that even with a better wall wart, they STILL won't drive them very well. I will give it a shot and eat my words if I'm wrong, but too many people are using this amp in inappropriate applications and being misled to think that the problem is the HE-500 when it's really the amp.

I'm annoyed beyond reason (hence the constant refrain about which you complain) that the O2 is recommended in any capacity for these headphones while the designer of the O2 specifically trashes the only company that I know of that makes an inexpensive amp that does drive these headphones well.

Does it sound like I have a chip on my shoulder? I do! I have a $156 + shipping-sized chip on my shoulder.
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Come on guys keep this thread clean and civilized, I believe there is a thread that discuss about amps for the HE-500

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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


Why doesn't the O2 come from JDS Labs with a proper wall wart? I listened to people spouting all the objective reasons that the O2 was a proper amp for the HE-500 and it isn't - not the way it comes from the shop. I don't want people running away from a $700 investment in the HE-500 because they're trying to run it on an O2. The O2 is simply not sufficient to drive these headphones! It just isn't...not as given to me by a pre-fab maker.

What's worse is that in the sound science forum and on Voldemort's blog they specifically trash Schiit as an irresponsible amp maker. That scared me away and cost me time and money trying to make the O2 work reasonably well with my HE-500 and they just couldn't do it. I'm reasonably certain that even with a better wall wart, they STILL won't drive them very well. I will give it a shot and eat my words if I'm wrong, but too many people are using this amp in inappropriate applications and being misled to think that the problem is the HE-500 when it's really the amp.

I'm annoyed beyond reason (hence the constant refrain about which you complain) that the O2 is recommended in any capacity for these headphones while the designer of the O2 specifically trashes the only company that I know of that makes an inexpensive amp that does drive these headphones well.

Does it sound like I have a chip on my shoulder? I do! I have a $156 + shipping-sized chip on my shoulder.

Well now. That's interesting. Got a link? I love a good scandal. biggrin.gif

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The bass has resolved with more burn in.  It was a little bit underpowered (I'm not a huge bass guy either), but after more burn in, it has penetrated a little more through the track.  They keep sounding better and better.  It's wild!

This.

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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


Why doesn't the O2 come from JDS Labs with a proper wall wart? I listened to people spouting all the objective reasons that the O2 was a proper amp for the HE-500 and it isn't - not the way it comes from the shop. I don't want people running away from a $700 investment in the HE-500 because they're trying to run it on an O2. The O2 is simply not sufficient to drive these headphones! It just isn't...not as given to me by a pre-fab maker.

What's worse is that in the sound science forum and on Voldemort's blog they specifically trash Schiit as an irresponsible amp maker. That scared me away and cost me time and money trying to make the O2 work reasonably well with my HE-500 and they just couldn't do it. I'm reasonably certain that even with a better wall wart, they STILL won't drive them very well. I will give it a shot and eat my words if I'm wrong, but too many people are using this amp in inappropriate applications and being misled to think that the problem is the HE-500 when it's really the amp.

I'm annoyed beyond reason (hence the constant refrain about which you complain) that the O2 is recommended in any capacity for these headphones while the designer of the O2 specifically trashes the only company that I know of that makes an inexpensive amp that does drive these headphones well.

Does it sound like I have a chip on my shoulder? I do! I have a $156 + shipping-sized chip on my shoulder.

 

You have to understand that you need to do some level of research when buying different components from different vendors and putting them together for a system.  Especially DIY open source designs (even if pre-built).  What you need is a dac that doesn't have a >2v input signal.  This is causing your clipping on high gain.  I don't know how much a difference the wall wart will make, I just saw that suggested to you by another member.  Keep in mind the gain/volume system on the o2 is different than the system used in the Magni.  It's not apples to apples.

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Come on guys keep this thread clean and civilized, I believe there is a thread that discuss about amps for the HE-500

 

I think I've been civilized.  I've since looked at his recent post history and forum members have already told him what the issue is and how to resolve it and instead of listening to them or understanding the incompatibility he keeps spreading misinformation.  There is a difference between "the o2 doesn't work with my setup because of electrical engineering" and "the o2 doesn't sound well with the he-500".  That's all I'm trying to point out.  That way when someone comes across this later they don't get the wrong information and think they can't pair these two.  I've said my piece.


Edited by Shazb0t - 2/28/13 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by Shazb0t View Post

 

You have to understand that you need to do some level of research when buying different components from different vendors and putting them together for a system.  Especially DIY open source designs (even if pre-built).  What you need is a dac that doesn't have a >2v input signal.  This is causing your clipping on high gain.  I don't know how much a difference the wall wart will make, I just saw that suggested to you by another member.  Keep in mind the gain/volume system on the o2 is different than the system used in the Magni.  It's not apples to apples.

 

I think I've been civilized.  I've since looked at his recent post history and forum members have already told him what the issue is and how to resolve it and instead of listening to them or understanding the incompatibility he keeps spreading misinformation.  There is a difference between "the o2 doesn't work with my setup because of electrical engineering" and "the o2 doesn't sound well with the he-500".  That's all I'm trying to point out.  That way when someone comes across this later they don't get the wrong information and think they can't pair these two.  I've said my piece.

Hey man,

 

All I want is for people to know that if the they're driving the HE-500 with an O2, the problem might be like mine was.  Had I known I had to be an electrical engineer to use the O2, I'd have passed it up - but I bought the hype about this amp and it didn't live up to my requirements.  I NOW understand the problems, and I'm by no means certain that the O2 + HE-500 = fail, but that because of the complexity of the different options available with this amp, it will frequently fail to drive the HE-500.  My only concern is that people don't overlook the headphone due to failures that have nothing to do with the actual headphones.

 

I would be very happy if I could get the O2 to work with my set-up.  I was under the impression that the amp could do more than it can do - other people may be under the same impression.

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I should also add that, as a newbie to this hobby, I had no idea the extent of the complexities of the interactions between source, amp, and transducer.  It's a learning process for me.

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Can we get back on track here, for the sake of guests and other members reading this.

 

Not trying to take sides or anything, I don't see anything wrong with that diastermouse is saying. He's clearly giving his experiences and seeing how he ACTUALLY owns what he's talking about, I have nothing wrong with him talking whatever about his equipment.

 

^ main reason why I avoid Head-Fi a lot more nowadays...

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