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post #3361 of 18022
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Try a better quality amp or at least a lyr..the he500 needs a good (strong) amp to sound good..as all planars need..and to be honest..the 02 doesnt pair well withthe he500..better try the emotiva and drive it from the speaker leads..much much much better and just as cheap...or do what i did..score urself a strong tube amp..u wont regret it..only ur wallet will..biggrin.gif .imho ofcourse...and throw away that horrible standard hifiman silverplated copper cable and buy urself a decent copper cable (doesnt need to be expensive..a toxic cables scorpion is cheap and very good).am sure that u then will love the sound..if not..sell the he500 and get urself an audeze lcd.as that one is much darker in soundsignature..so maybe more suited for ur tastes..but then again..u still have to invest in good amping also..
ps..just 20 hours burn in time??? The he500 needs at least 100 hours non stop..mine did..
I have to concur - the O2 is not sufficient for the HE-500 but I disagree that a Lyr is needed (I haven't heard a Lyr) -the Magni has provided a night-and-day difference over the O2. I own the E7 (rarely used), E9, and the O2 by JDS Labs. The O2 was the worst amp I tried with the HE-500. It didn't drive them loud enough on low gain and clipped on high gain and it also made for a thin sound and completely collapsed sound stage. My recently acquired Magni has removed all congestion and provided an actual sound-stage for the HE-500. Perhaps a Lyr does this even better, but I can attest to the Magni's proficiency over the E9 and O2.

Interestingly enough, although my HD650 improves noticeably with the Magni, it's not the dramatic improvement that it provides with the HE-500. The O2 is just fine for the HD650 and it 'de-thickens' it compared to the E9 (I have to agree with a certain head-fier here that the E9 is a slightly warm amp). The Magni bests the E9 and the O2 even for the HD650, however not as incontrovertibly as it does for the HE-500. I could even see how some would prefer the O2 for the HD650 if they were looking to mitigate some HD650 weaknesses by thinning out the sound and adding air. I know the O2 is supposed to be transparent and my comparisons can only be made regarding the amps and headphones I own.

Lastly, the Magni has erased the 'lack of engagement with the music' that had plagued me with the HE-500 - they are now more engaging than the HD650. Considering that the HD650 is considered a laid back headphone, it speaks to my insufficient amping that the HE-500 was LESS engaging with the E9 and O2. With the Magni, I'm actually dancing with the music, albeit very carefully. I'd hate to have the HE-500 fall off my head and break my foot!
Edited by disastermouse - 2/28/13 at 9:24am
post #3362 of 18022
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Originally Posted by harpsm View Post

I have a question for the HE-500 experts.  I received a pair about a week ago and I've honestly been disappointed with the sound. I hear hints of greatness, but there's a slight bloom/boominess across much of the frequency spectrum, and I mostly notice it in the mid/vocals range.  It's slight, but it makes the music just muddy and congested enough to keep the music frustratingly at arm's length.  I listened to a wide variety of music, and since I'd heard that the HE-500s are especially sweet with female vocals I listened to a decent amount of well-recorded female vocal music, and my experience was nothing like the liquidy-real sound others report.

 

I am using the velour pads and listening using Foobar (no gain, DSPs, etc.) out to ODAC/O2.  I've also tried a different computer with the ODAC/O2 as well as a Fiio E17 and a receiver headphone jack with the same results.  Also tried 20+ hours of burn-in with pink noise.  Is it possible I got a bad pair (it was an Amazon Warehouse deal, so the provenance is unknown), or am I just expecting too much?  Most of my headphone listening for the past 10 years has been with the Grado SR-80 and I haven't listened to any other headphones over $100, so I don't have much of a frame of reference in the HE-500's price/performance class.  I'm also wondering if I'm just too accustomed to the Grado sound profile, though I would have thought that a few days with the HE-500 would help my ears to "burn in."  I've already started the return process at Amazon, but I'm wondering if I should try again with another pair of HE-500, or maybe give the HE-400 a shot.  For what it's worth, I want to stick with the O2 so I'm not interested in getting any new amps.

I found myself in the same boat, vis a vis Grado SR-80's & higher priced phones. A few weeks ago I auditioned the PSB M4U-2's, expecting to end up getting a pair of the M4U-1's but they didn't have the definition of the Grados. This past weekend I tried the HE-400's & ended up liking the Grado's better again (the PSB dealer had Grados there & I took my own to the HE-400's dealer). But like harpsm I've been used to the Grado signature for over 15 years so have been trying to take that into account. I didn't hear the boominess you describe in the 400's but did get that impression from the M4U-2's. The Grados do  have prominent mids though & after being so used to that everything else will take some adjusting to. I did pick up a refurb pair of Sennheiser HD 598's this week & am listening to them a lot to try to wean myself from the Grado sound & will try the HE-400's out again in the future - the dealer doesn't have a pair of the 500's unwrapped. So yes, being used to the Grado sound will definitely color your opinions if you like that sound to start with, which I do.

post #3363 of 18022

just purchased the HE-500, should get them tomorrow!!!

 

will the WA6-SE drive them well? and any cable recommendations (that won't cost as much as the headphone)? 

post #3364 of 18022

Had the Toxic and Q cables when I had my HE400. Kept the Q as it has a better feel;  don't even know its there.  Copper Toxic is a good bargain. After a few hours of burn in, put the Q on and there's no looking back.  The stock cable will never see the light of day again.  

Not sure of what everyone else thinks and I'm still halfway into the burn in process, but so far, preferring good copper over the stock silver.  

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

just purchased the HE-500, should get them tomorrow!!!

 

will the WA6-SE drive them well? and any cable recommendations (that won't cost as much as the headphone)? 

post #3365 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

just purchased the HE-500, should get them tomorrow!!!

 

will the WA6-SE drive them well? and any cable recommendations (that won't cost as much as the headphone)? 

Check out the Cablepro Freedom cable  5ft is 169.00 list and is an outstanding cable. ia m working on my review of the he500 and LCD2 using the Freedom cable. it transformed the he500.

post #3366 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

just purchased the HE-500, should get them tomorrow!!!

 

will the WA6-SE drive them well? and any cable recommendations (that won't cost as much as the headphone)? 

 

Personally, I'm on the DHC boat. Even though you won't be able to buy something like my DHC prototype, you can still purchase the Macromolecule or Molecule cables, both of extreme quality.

 

Yes, the WA6 should be sufficient, but for pairing, it depends.

post #3367 of 18022
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Originally Posted by harpsm View Post

I have a question for the HE-500 experts.  I received a pair about a week ago and I've honestly been disappointed with the sound. I hear hints of greatness, but there's a slight bloom/boominess across much of the frequency spectrum, and I mostly notice it in the mid/vocals range.  It's slight, but it makes the music just muddy and congested enough to keep the music frustratingly at arm's length.  I listened to a wide variety of music, and since I'd heard that the HE-500s are especially sweet with female vocals I listened to a decent amount of well-recorded female vocal music, and my experience was nothing like the liquidy-real sound others report.

 

I am using the velour pads and listening using Foobar (no gain, DSPs, etc.) out to ODAC/O2.  I've also tried a different computer with the ODAC/O2 as well as a Fiio E17 and a receiver headphone jack with the same results.  Also tried 20+ hours of burn-in with pink noise.  Is it possible I got a bad pair (it was an Amazon Warehouse deal, so the provenance is unknown), or am I just expecting too much?  Most of my headphone listening for the past 10 years has been with the Grado SR-80 and I haven't listened to any other headphones over $100, so I don't have much of a frame of reference in the HE-500's price/performance class.  I'm also wondering if I'm just too accustomed to the Grado sound profile, though I would have thought that a few days with the HE-500 would help my ears to "burn in."  I've already started the return process at Amazon, but I'm wondering if I should try again with another pair of HE-500, or maybe give the HE-400 a shot.  For what it's worth, I want to stick with the O2 so I'm not interested in getting any new amps.

 

Okay, two things, since I also have the O2.

 

1) HE-500 needs a burn in of some time. The reason being I got a used HE-500 initially and fell in love with it. Then I got it replaced with a brand new one and I hated it. After 2 weeks of burn in, it got much better

 

2) It took me quite a while to get used to O2. It took me about 5 minutes to get used to Fiio E10. A month with the Emotiva Mini-x-a-10. With O2, about 3 months.

 

At first I really missed the bass impact of the E10 but after getting used to it, everything is actually quite good. Although recently I've almost exclusively switch to the mini. I noticed the same thing when I used O2 with LCD-2. After a while, it sounded very clean and full.

post #3368 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Okay, two things, since I also have the O2.

1) HE-500 needs a burn in of some time. The reason being I got a used HE-500 initially and fell in love with it. Then I got it replaced with a brand new one and I hated it. After 2 weeks of burn in, it got much better

2) It took me quite a while to get used to O2. It took me about 5 minutes to get used to Fiio E10. A month with the Emotiva Mini-x-a-10. With O2, about 3 months.

At first I really missed the bass impact of the E10 but after getting used to it, everything is actually quite good. Although recently I've almost exclusively switch to the mini. I noticed the same thing when I used O2 with LCD-2. After a while, it sounded very clean and full.
Weird. My experience is completely different as I've experienced zero burn in effect with the HE-500 and struggled for months to get the O2 to sound adequate with the HE-500, ultimately failing completely.
post #3369 of 18022
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Try a better quality amp or at least a lyr..the he500 needs a good (strong) amp to sound good..as all planars need..and to be honest..the 02 doesnt pair well withthe he500..better try the emotiva and drive it from the speaker leads..much much much better and just as cheap...or do what i did..score urself a strong tube amp..u wont regret it..only ur wallet will..biggrin.gif.imho ofcourse...and throw away that horrible standard hifiman silverplated copper cable and buy urself a decent copper cable (doesnt need to be expensive..a toxic cables scorpion is cheap and very good).am sure that u then will love the sound..if not..sell the he500 and get urself an audeze lcd.as that one is much darker in soundsignature..so maybe more suited for ur tastes..but then again..u still have to invest in good amping also..

ps..just 20 hours burn in time??? The he500 needs at least 100 hours non stop..mine did..

 

Definitely not much much much better. Have you tried the O2? For one, the O2 is much much much cleaner than the Emotiva wink.gif

post #3370 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

just purchased the HE-500, should get them tomorrow!!!

 

will the WA6-SE drive them well? and any cable recommendations (that won't cost as much as the headphone)? 

 

Hey, congrats! You're going to love them.

 

You definitely need to get rid of that stock cable. I got mines from Headphone Lounge. I got a 3 piece set from them (Chris_Himself on head-fi) for about $200. Works quite well. 

 

1) 4 pin balanced XLR cable for HE-500

2) Female XLR to banana plugs

3) Female XLR to 3.5 mm (also add on 1/4 adapter)

 

The benefit from this is that you don't have to unscrew the cable from the Hifiman connectors, which can make it worse over time. This way you can use it with any amplifier.

 

Don't know about WA6-SE, but I would recommend getting any decent speaker amp in general. You can double it for speakers and headphones. WIN WIN biggrin.gif

post #3371 of 18022
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


Weird. My experience is completely different as I've experienced zero burn in effect with the HE-500 and struggled for months to get the O2 to sound adequate with the HE-500, ultimately failing completely.

 

Which pads did you use them with? I personally still can't tolerate the velours with the O2. The pleather and O2 gives a very dark blackground, IMO better then LCD-2 Rev2 and with better imaging.

 

With E10 and Emotiva, I can't stand the pleathers.

post #3372 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

Which pads did you use them with? I personally still can't tolerate the velours with the O2. The pleather and O2 gives a very dark blackground, IMO better then LCD-2 Rev2 and with better imaging.

 

With E10 and Emotiva, I can't stand the pleathers.

Pleathers have a nasty ringing issue though. Better fix it with my pad mod if any of you are thinking of having HE500s forever.

post #3373 of 18022
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Which pads did you use them with? I personally still can't tolerate the velours with the O2. The pleather and O2 gives a very dark blackground, IMO better then LCD-2 Rev2 and with better imaging.

With E10 and Emotiva, I can't stand the pleathers.
I started with the pleathers and moved to the velour in trying to get the sound right. It's the missing dynamism and sound stage from the O2 that was most frustrating, as well as the clipping. I'm told a more powerful AC plug would help and that the O2 is a mismatch for the HRT MSii+.
post #3374 of 18022
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Had the Toxic and Q cables when I had my HE400. Kept the Q as it has a better feel;  don't even know its there.  Copper Toxic is a good bargain. After a few hours of burn in, put the Q on and there's no looking back.  The stock cable will never see the light of day again.  

Not sure of what everyone else thinks and I'm still halfway into the burn in process, but so far, preferring good copper over the stock silver.  

No looking back?? Ru serious? What toxic cable u compared the q cable to? The black widows 22 awg? As that one is even 100 usd less expensive and at least as good sounding if not better then q audio ( toxic uses stranded litz 2 occ copper wire, and still not sure what wire q audio uses)

ps..a few hours burn in is not enough to compare any cable!! But have a feeling u compared the least expensive solid core copper cable of toxic..(as the black widow just got delivered to customers since recently) the scorpion..try the black widow for a change..burn it in for at least 5 days straight and then tell me u like the q audio better..if ur objective i have a feeling ur feeling can change..wink.gif i know listening is personal..but saying no turning back is a bit overstated...

post #3375 of 18022
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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post


I started with the pleathers and moved to the velour in trying to get the sound right. It's the missing dynamism and sound stage from the O2 that was most frustrating, as well as the clipping. I'm told a more powerful AC plug would help and that the O2 is a mismatch for the HRT MSii+.

Just try other amps..only then u will find right synergy for ur he500..but first burn ur he500 in for at least 100hours.

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