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post #3286 of 18011

Did your HE-500s come with the silver cable?

 

I just purchased my HE-500s this past Tuesday... they are burning in with about 96 hours so far. This is my 2nd HE-500s... the other ones I had shortly after they came out. Without being able to directly A-B them, I would have to say they have been improved some. I think the silver cables helped them also.

 

They are really opening up now, and I helped them a little by taking the cloth off the outside metal grills. It was like removing a veil... which actually it is. I also have gone back to the GE tubes in my Lyr from Schiit. And I use the Bifrost with an Oppo 83SE player. I have been switching in and out with several other tubes, including Amperex Orange label, but with the leather pads, the GE's really shine.

 

I tried the velour pads, and they were a little muffled... like a couple of veils. That's strange because I liked the velour pads with the earlier HE-500s and also with the HE-400s.

 

I will say now... hands down... these HE-500s are the best phones I've ever owned... and I've had the HE-5Le, HE-400, Senn 600, 650, 800, AKG 702, Beyer 880/600ohm, Grado 1000, and others. These are keepers!

 

I am interested in getting an upgraded cable. You seem to like the Norn Series 2. But, what are the other pieces in your chain?

 

Also, which Norn series 2 did you get? And how much is it for a 10 foot cable?

post #3287 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post

Did your HE-500s come with the silver cable?

 

I just purchased my HE-500s this past Tuesday... they are burning in with about 96 hours so far. This is my 2nd HE-500s... the other ones I had shortly after they came out. Without being able to directly A-B them, I would have to say they have been improved some. I think the silver cables helped them also.

 

They are really opening up now, and I helped them a little by taking the cloth off the outside metal grills. It was like removing a veil... which actually it is. I also have gone back to the GE tubes in my Lyr from Schiit. And I use the Bifrost with an Oppo 83SE player. I have been switching in and out with several other tubes, including Amperex Orange label, but with the leather pads, the GE's really shine.

 

I tried the velour pads, and they were a little muffled... like a couple of veils. That's strange because I liked the velour pads with the earlier HE-500s and also with the HE-400s.

 

I will say now... hands down... these HE-500s are the best phones I've ever owned... and I've had the HE-5Le, HE-400, Senn 600, 650, 800, AKG 702, Beyer 880/600ohm, Grado 1000, and others. These are keepers!

 

I am interested in getting an upgraded cable. You seem to like the Norn Series 2. But, what are the other pieces in your chain?

 

Also, which Norn series 2 did you get? And how much is it for a 10 foot cable?

Velours muffled???? More then the pleather ones? Ru sure? As i tried both with my also latest batch he500 and my he500 sounded much more airy and clear with the velours (with the protection cloth still on the cups).the pleathers sounded a bit canned...ur the first one though who says the velours sound muffled...

 

ps..as far i know the new with the hifiman he500 supplied 'silver' cable is actually a copper wire with silver layer around it...its not a real silver cable....its better then the old canare cable though in the way of handling it..

post #3288 of 18011

@ToInfinity, well, results from your A/Bing? 

post #3289 of 18011

Unfortunately, I THOUGHT I was going to start testing....but the E9K simply cannot drive the 500's well at all. I ordered the Asgard 2 and Modi a couple of days ago...so hopefully they will come in next week. The Asgard's are backordered at the moment so I'm not sure when they'll come in though. When I checked the order status earlier today it read "Clearing backorders" ...whatever that means! 

 

Rest assured. As soon as I get the chance to A/B and post my opinions I will. I'm quite curious myself as to whether or not my opinion will fall in line with most Head-Fier's here. 

post #3290 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post

Did your HE-500s come with the silver cable?

 

I just purchased my HE-500s this past Tuesday... they are burning in with about 96 hours so far. This is my 2nd HE-500s... the other ones I had shortly after they came out. Without being able to directly A-B them, I would have to say they have been improved some. I think the silver cables helped them also.

 

They are really opening up now, and I helped them a little by taking the cloth off the outside metal grills. It was like removing a veil... which actually it is. I also have gone back to the GE tubes in my Lyr from Schiit. And I use the Bifrost with an Oppo 83SE player. I have been switching in and out with several other tubes, including Amperex Orange label, but with the leather pads, the GE's really shine.

 

I tried the velour pads, and they were a little muffled... like a couple of veils. That's strange because I liked the velour pads with the earlier HE-500s and also with the HE-400s.

 

I will say now... hands down... these HE-500s are the best phones I've ever owned... and I've had the HE-5Le, HE-400, Senn 600, 650, 800, AKG 702, Beyer 880/600ohm, Grado 1000, and others. These are keepers!

 

I am interested in getting an upgraded cable. You seem to like the Norn Series 2. But, what are the other pieces in your chain?

 

Also, which Norn series 2 did you get? And how much is it for a 10 foot cable?


I literally just compared the pleathers and velours on my he500 last night and did not find the velours muffled at all.  I actually found the velours to allow the sound to open up slightly, somewhat more "airy". 

post #3291 of 18011
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Originally Posted by ToInfinity View Post

Unfortunately, I THOUGHT I was going to start testing....but the E9K simply cannot drive the 500's well at all. I ordered the Asgard 2 and Modi a couple of days ago...so hopefully they will come in next week. The Asgard's are backordered at the moment so I'm not sure when they'll come in though. When I checked the order status earlier today it read "Clearing backorders" ...whatever that means! 

 

Rest assured. As soon as I get the chance to A/B and post my opinions I will. I'm quite curious myself as to whether or not my opinion will fall in line with most Head-Fier's here. 

Not to break ur bubble or make u nervous of sort..but..the asgard is just on the border of able to drive the he500 well..better invest a eenie weeny more and get a lyr. That baby for sure drives the he500 well..or get a emotiva..and drive it from the speaker outputs..or go bazoonza and buy the amp i have...that combo makes u almost cry of happiness with certain songs (that actually happened in real life on a meetin i attended..a fellow headfi'er got really emotional while listening to my babies, he even stated that in a post on the thread bout that meeting)Just imho ofcourse..

post #3292 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Not to break ur bubble or make u nervous of sort..but..the asgard is just on the border of able to drive the he500 well..better invest a eenie weeny more and get a lyr. That baby for sure drives the he500 well..or get a emotiva..and drive it from the speaker outputs..or go bazoonza and buy the amp i have...that combo makes u almost cry of happiness with certain songs (that actually happened in real life on a meetin i attended..a fellow headfi'er got really emotional while listening to my babies, he even stated that in a post on the thread bout that meeting)Just imho ofcourse..

$200 isn't a "eenie weenie" bit more lol and if that's true, then I'll upgrade. I'll have to see for myself. 

 

And from what I read around these threads, the Asgard does a good job...and its more a matter or preference between the the Asgard and Lyr....although I will say it seems that the Lyr drives them close to their full potential...just not so much that it warrants a 200 upgrade cost. 


Edited by ToInfinity - 2/23/13 at 8:53pm
post #3293 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Not to break ur bubble or make u nervous of sort..but..the asgard is just on the border of able to drive the he500 well..better invest a eenie weeny more and get a lyr. That baby for sure drives the he500 well..or get a emotiva..and drive it from the speaker outputs..or go bazoonza and buy the amp i have...that combo makes u almost cry of happiness with certain songs (that actually happened in real life on a meetin i attended..a fellow headfi'er got really emotional while listening to my babies, he even stated that in a post on the thread bout that meeting)Just imho ofcourse..

 

+1 for speaker amps. They'll drive both headphones and speakers nicely. Win win situation for much less price. All you need is cables and you're good to go.

post #3294 of 18011

Can someone objectively explain to me (us) how a different ear pad material that doesn't change the distance from the driver to your ear, doesn't cover more or less of the black fabric that covers the driver, or make the opening smaller or larger, change the sound of a headphone?

post #3295 of 18011
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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post

Can someone objectively explain to me (us) how a different ear pad material that doesn't change the distance from the driver to your ear, doesn't cover more or less of the black fabric that covers the driver, or make the opening smaller or larger, change the sound of a headphone?

 

The details aren't anything I've researched on but I'd assume since.. sound = vibrations and the fact that velour and leather absorb vibrations differently has a lot to do with it...

post #3296 of 18011

@ToInfinity

If you specifically have HE500 in mind, I would suggest you to get a Lyr instead of Asgard. I own both Amps and Lyr with mere stock 6B27 tubes makes HE500 reveal more dynamic and resolving. Particularly vocals are significantly better with Lyr. Lyr does much better job with high impedance cans than Asgard. Even sensitive denons i m finding myself I prefer them driven by Lyr to Asgard. You can order both Lyr and Asgard and return one that you don't sit well with. Or can try another amp rec'd by others. Anyway on the matter of Asgard vs Lyr for HE500, Lyr is the one to go.


Edited by ForsakenArcher - 2/24/13 at 12:10am
post #3297 of 18011

Just ordered the HE-500 and quite excited! Hoping to receive it on Wednesday. I'll post impressions after I get a good chance to put it through its paces.

post #3298 of 18011
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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post

Can someone objectively explain to me (us) how a different ear pad material that doesn't change the distance from the driver to your ear, doesn't cover more or less of the black fabric that covers the driver, or make the opening smaller or larger, change the sound of a headphone?

 

Jerg might chime in and explain it to you.

 

The damping is different between pleather and velour. Actually, I think the distance from the driver is also different between the 2.

Add to this the ring foam in the pleather that muddies the sound a lot (not existent in the velour).

 

The pads form the "room acoustic" on a headphone. Like acoustic treatment changes the sound reproduction in a speaker setup, the pads change the sound reproduction of a headphone.

post #3299 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Jerg might chime in and explain it to you.

 

The damping is different between pleather and velour. Actually, I think the distance from the driver is also different between the 2.

Add to this the ring foam in the pleather that muddies the sound a lot (not existent in the velour).

 

The pads form the "room acoustic" on a headphone. Like acoustic treatment changes the sound reproduction in a speaker setup, the pads change the sound reproduction of a headphone.

You pretty much got it. Elaborating on what you said;

 

1) the pleathers have a thicker dust screen that reduces treble quantity, compared to velour dust screen

 

2) the velours are thicker, consequently midrange is less bloomed compared to the pleathers where your ears are much closer to the drivers; it (velours) also allows for stronger clamping which increases bass extension and tactility

 

3) the pleathers stock have no damping to let excess resonance out of the closed internal opening that couples with your ear, so it is prone to midrange "glare" / ringing that velours have no trouble with - the velours themselves are porous and (over)damp the sound

 

Points 1 and 2a are the reason why I tried modifying pleather pads, because their advantages are precisely what I want, and I just needed to eliminate their disadvantages.

post #3300 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Skooks View Post

Did your HE-500s come with the silver cable?

 

I just purchased my HE-500s this past Tuesday... they are burning in with about 96 hours so far. This is my 2nd HE-500s... the other ones I had shortly after they came out. Without being able to directly A-B them, I would have to say they have been improved some. I think the silver cables helped them also.

 

They are really opening up now, and I helped them a little by taking the cloth off the outside metal grills. It was like removing a veil... which actually it is. I also have gone back to the GE tubes in my Lyr from Schiit. And I use the Bifrost with an Oppo 83SE player. I have been switching in and out with several other tubes, including Amperex Orange label, but with the leather pads, the GE's really shine.

 

I tried the velour pads, and they were a little muffled... like a couple of veils. That's strange because I liked the velour pads with the earlier HE-500s and also with the HE-400s.

 

I will say now... hands down... these HE-500s are the best phones I've ever owned... and I've had the HE-5Le, HE-400, Senn 600, 650, 800, AKG 702, Beyer 880/600ohm, Grado 1000, and others. These are keepers!

 

I am interested in getting an upgraded cable. You seem to like the Norn Series 2. But, what are the other pieces in your chain?

 

Also, which Norn series 2 did you get? And how much is it for a 10 foot cable?

 

Skooks...regarding the cable. There are several good cables makers out there. I have had great success with Trevor at Norse and Steve Eddy at Q Audio...both great guys and true craftsman. If you are looking at the Norse, the Skuld and Reign are great choices. PM me if you have specific questions. 

 

Congrats on reaquiring the he500. It means something to me as I was the guy who bought your original pair. biggrin.gif

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