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post #2446 of 18025
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I'd say the HE-500 is less aggresive. The HE-400 has some kind of treble spike giving it a metallic sound, but still not with much detail in the treble though... The HE-500 seems a tad more relaxed and natural in direct comparison. But no doubt which one is better :P

To be fair HE500 also has a treble peak. The difference is that HE400's treble peak is around 14kHz, while HE500's is around 10kHz. This causes HE500's treble to sound a bit more bright, and HE400's treble to sound a bit more tizzy (aka metallic as you say).

 

If you are looking for a Hifiman without any treble peak at all, HE5LE or HE6 are the ways to go.

post #2447 of 18025
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

To be fair HE500 also has a treble peak. The difference is that HE400's treble peak is around 14kHz, while HE500's is around 10kHz. This causes HE500's treble to sound a bit more bright, and HE400's treble to sound a bit more tizzy (aka metallic as you say).

 

If you are looking for a Hifiman without any treble peak at all, HE5LE or HE6 are the ways to go.

Still, the HE-500 is more neutral in the treble region than the HE-400, and it is a fairly big upgrade to me.

post #2448 of 18025
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Still, the HE-500 is more neutral in the treble region than the HE-400, and it is a fairly big upgrade to me.

 

It certainly SOUNDS more neutral to me too, however Headroom plots are about the worst measurements you can use for reference (even Tyll himself admits that they are terribly outdated in terms of compensation formulae relative to his own IF measurements).

 

Try these instead:

 

HE500

 

700

 

 

HE400

 

700

 

Just based on the measurements you can't claim one is more objectively neutral than the other in the treble. More specifically, HE500s have two chunks removed while HE400 has a broad chunk added to what would otherwise be the imaginary neutral flat treble, and with these colourations in mind, HE500s' treble end up sounding more true. That does make sense as dips in FR tend to be less intrusive than peaks.


Edited by jerg - 1/5/13 at 4:46pm
post #2449 of 18025
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

 

It certainly SOUNDS more neutral to me too, however Headroom plots are about the worst measurements you can use for reference (even Tyll himself admits that they are terribly outdated in terms of compensation formulae relative to his own IF measurements).

 

Try these instead:

 

HE500

 

700

 

 

HE400

 

700

 

Just based on the measurements you can't claim one is more objectively neutral than the other in the treble. More specifically, HE500s have two chunks removed while HE400 has a broad chunk added to what would otherwise be the imaginary neutral flat treble, and with these colourations in mind, HE500s' treble end up sounding more true. That does make sense as dips in FR tend to be less intrusive than peaks.

Ahhh, thought I could trust those damn headroom graphs!

All the terible resonances (lack of better word) of the HE-400, compared to the HE-500, seems quite intimidating. This might also explain why I've found the HE-500 to be more detailed and correct.

 

Thank you for posting!

post #2450 of 18025
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Ahhh, thought I could trust those damn headroom graphs!

All the terible resonances (lack of better word) of the HE-400, compared to the HE-500, seems quite intimidating. This might also explain why I've found the HE-500 to be more detailed and correct.

 

Thank you for posting!

 

The only reason why Tyll never bothered to "update" the compensation on Headroom plots (FR, square waves, etc) is because there is a HUGE archive of past measurements he had done for the site already before he refined his measurements, so it'd be a massive hassle.

 

Yeah HE400s are a bit dirty in the midrange indeed. Its midrange is still fairly resolving (just a tad under HE500) with great separation (on par with HE500) though. Bass on the other hand is a different story, HE400s are actually cleaner-sounding and a bit less loose in that department relative to HE500.

post #2451 of 18025
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


really? the laidback i can understand..but soundstage? may i ask what amp ur using to compare the two? as the sounstage on the he500 is much better then on the hd650 and i listened to both on several amps. only on one the hd650 sounded better..that was on a bottlehead crack. to my ears anyway.

Several sub $1000 amp ranging from Bursons, Graham Slees, to the Portables and DIY like Gainclones, the DAC would be mostly DACmini or CLAS -dB. The HE500 definitely have a more open soundstage than HD650 by a quite margin, but i've always felt on HE500 that the center imaging quite lacking also the depth. That's also the case with LCD2 ( center imaging )

post #2452 of 18025
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post

 

That's true, it's the easiest way. 

I will. I haven't put the velour pads on yet but after reading some info here I think I should be okay to try it.

post #2453 of 18025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post


Yes House sound..

Correct me if I'm wrong.  Is the HE-300 a ortho?  I was under the impression that it wasn't.  If that's the case we're talking about the HE ortho house sound.  HE-6 very low Bass?? Not a chance. 
All HiFiMans has that very sparkly, very good treble energy in common with great air in the presentation.  Some more than others.  But that very good very well extended treble is there House sound.... IMO.  None of the HIfimans lack in bass what so ever..
Lolz..i know he300 is dynamic..i had one.i meant the sound of all hifiman's in general.biggrin.gif
If u mean that the velvetly treble is their house sound then yeah u can call that a house sound..but i dont think u can get customed to it..as i listened to a lcd 3 and if i had the money i would buy that one. biggrin.gif
post #2454 of 18025
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I'd say the HE-500 is less aggresive. The HE-400 has some kind of treble spike giving it a metallic sound, but still not with much detail in the treble though... The HE-500 seems a tad more relaxed and natural in direct comparison. But no doubt which one is better :P
I agree..the he 500 is more balanced and less agressive
post #2455 of 18025

How do the mids of the famous HD650 compare with those of the HE-500? Do you hear more details with it? Is it better layered? Is the soundstage as wide? With the HD650 live recordings sounded exceptionally realistic in terms of soundstage and imaging.

Of course this is addressed to people who owned both cans.

post #2456 of 18025
The lack of a focused centerstage is a sign of underpower.
post #2457 of 18025
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

The lack of a focused centerstage is a sign of underpower.
+1 I agree with that also happy camper
post #2458 of 18025
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Lolz..i know he300 is dynamic..i had one.i meant the sound of all hifiman's in general.biggrin.gif
If u mean that the velvetly treble is their house sound then yeah u can call that a house sound..but i dont think u can get customed to it..as i listened to a lcd 3 and if i had the money i would buy that one. biggrin.gif

 

For me..

 

 

HE-6 --> LCD-3 --> (HD800 / T1) --> HE-5LE --> HE-500 --> LCD-2.2 

post #2459 of 18025
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

The lack of a focused centerstage is a sign of underpower.

I don't understand what centerstage is? Can you explain or give me an example?

post #2460 of 18025

Everything is in the center of your head.  Vocals and instruments.  Instead of being on the left or on the right..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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