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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Because the HE500's without their worldclass treble, for me is like the LCD2's without their worldclass bass. Not good.  

 

 

This statement is *****EPIC***** it should be framed somewhere..

 

Spot on Lug...

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In regards to the pads. I tried the pleathers again the other day (4th time now..) just to try and like them again, if only for the extra comfort and looks. But yet again I changed them back after 10 mins. There is a clear difference to me, and it is in the treble. They lose the extra air at the top (and the "zing") and this closes the soundstage and turns them into a darker headphone. Of course I can see why some will like this but its not for me. the bass and mids don't seem to be affected. With me switching from the LCD2's to the HE500's frequently, I welcome the extra "air" and "zing" on the hifimans, otherwise they sound like a poormans LCD2.. Because the HE500's without their worldclass treble, for me is like the LCD2's without their worldclass bass. Not good.  

 

Very interesting thoughts LugBug1. Maybe until I get my hands on the LCD2 I will just enjoy the "poorman" version. Then switch back to the velours for the differences you describe. biggrin.gif

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Just compared the pleathers and velours today first time. I don' want write so much yet but if you haven't compared pleathers and velours, do it :). It is a quite interesting change in signature.

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Originally Posted by Acapella11 View Post

Just compared the pleathers and velours today first time. I don' want write so much yet but if you haven't compared pleathers and velours, do it smily_headphones1.gif. It is a quite interesting change in signature.
Which u find better suited for the he500? wink.gif
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Maybe the mod jerg did on the grill makes it sound better with the pleathers.? redface.gif

Absolutely! I wish I had the bottle to do the mod. I've been reading up on it. But the HE500's still cost quite a lot here in the uk and I'm keeping them as an investment incase I get the itch to change and sell... I could possibly make about £150 ($220?) more than what I paid for them... Must keep them in tip top condition.  

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

This statement is *****EPIC***** it should be framed somewhere..

 

Spot on Lug...

Thanks bro!

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Originally Posted by Heathen999 View Post

 

Very interesting thoughts LugBug1. Maybe until I get my hands on the LCD2 I will just enjoy the "poorman" version. Then switch back to the velours for the differences you describe. biggrin.gif

Yeah I was being a little naughty with that comment but I wanted to get the msg across.. biggrin.gif

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Yeah I was being a little naughty with that comment but I wanted to get the msg across.. biggrin.gif

 

I thought it was funny and blunt, but it drove the point home very well. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Which u find better suited for the he500? wink.gif


Depends really on your taste wink.gif. But overall, I will probably stick to velours.

LugBug got a point there. Only it is just one of the points addressed. In my ears, the strength of the velours is the more dynamic representation in treble and bass, overall there is more attack. If you had a LD MKIII and you substitute the 6N6P by 6H30-power tubes, that kind of energy boost. On the other hand the pleathers sound more interesting to me in respect to their better presentation of spatial detail, reverb for example is reproduced better. Additionally, the bass doesn't smear into the other frequencies. The pleathers sound wetter to me compared to the velours and that adds information, which is nice. 

But yeah, treble is slightly rolled off and attack is lesser for the pleathers. So, the velours are more exciting, which is why I will probably stick to them.


Edited by Acapella11 - 12/21/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Acapella11 View Post


Depends really on your taste wink.gif. But overall, I will probably stick to velours.

LugBug got a point there. Only it is just one of the points addressed. In my ears, the strength of the velours is the more dynamic representation in treble and bass, overall there is more attack. If you had a LD MKIII and you substitute the 6N6P by 6H30-power tubes, that kind of energy boost. On the other hand the pleathers sound more interesting to me in respect to their better presentation of spatial detail, reverb for example is reproduced better. Additionally, the bass doesn't smear into the other frequencies. The pleathers sound wetter to me compared to the velours and that adds information, which is nice. 

But yeah, treble is slightly rolled off and attack is lesser for the pleathers. So, the velours are more exciting, which is why I will probably stick to them.

That's a pretty good description of what the difference is. Pleathers give HE500s a more Audeze-like lush gooey tonality, while velours make them keep more to the Hifiman house-sound of being airy and dynamic.

 

Which means it's really down to personal taste indeed. Audezes are awesome but definitely sound a bit too dark for my tastes, meanwhile HE500s have the most well-behaved tame treble out of all Hifiman cans but is still a bit neutral-bright in an objective sense due to its slight 10kHz bump. I feel like the pleathers just nudge that treble down a tad, enough to place these right on the money between bright and dark. Going through all my music, I cannot find a single track where my mind tells me the treble is too harsh or too dim, this I find to be quite incredible.


Edited by jerg - 12/21/12 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

That's a pretty good description of what the difference is. Pleathers give HE500s a more Audeze-like lush gooey tonality, while velours make them keep more to the Hifiman house-sound of being airy and dynamic.

 

Which means it's really down to personal taste indeed. Audezes are awesome but definitely sound a bit too dark for my tastes, meanwhile HE500s have the most well-behaved tame treble out of all Hifiman cans but is still a bit neutral-bright in an objective sense due to its slight 10kHz bump. I feel like the pleathers just nudge that treble down a tad, enough to place these right on the money between bright and dark. Going through all my music, I cannot find a single track where my mind tells me the treble is too harsh or too dim, this I find to be quite incredible.

Yeah I'd also agree with the wetter tonality and the pleathers. I think if I didn't have the lcd2's its possible I may prefer the change of the pleathers, but in my case with both my phones being of a dark nature I want as much light and shade as poss.  

 

Incidently, for what its worth I'm currently enjoying my HE500's more than my LCD2's at the mo.  Had a bit of time on my hands tonight and so I've been swapping my gear around feverishly trying different things. A/bing the two phones through out and I'm so much enjoying the hifimans. It's the treble though, its soooo smooth and free without any hardness. They really do the violin justice!

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

That's a pretty good description of what the difference is. Pleathers give HE500s a more Audeze-like lush gooey tonality, while velours make them keep more to the Hifiman house-sound of being airy and dynamic.

 

Which means it's really down to personal taste indeed. Audezes are awesome but definitely sound a bit too dark for my tastes, meanwhile HE500s have the most well-behaved tame treble out of all Hifiman cans but is still a bit neutral-bright in an objective sense due to its slight 10kHz bump. I feel like the pleathers just nudge that treble down a tad, enough to place these right on the money between bright and dark. Going through all my music, I cannot find a single track where my mind tells me the treble is too harsh or too dim, this I find to be quite incredible.

 

The HE-5LEs and the HE-6 may have something to say about that.

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Yeah I'd also agree with the wetter tonality and the pleathers. I think if I didn't have the lcd2's its possible I may prefer the change of the pleathers, but in my case with both my phones being of a dark nature I want as much light and shade as poss.  

 

Incidently, for what its worth I'm currently enjoying my HE500's more than my LCD2's at the mo.  Had a bit of time on my hands tonight and so I've been swapping my gear around feverishly trying different things. A/bing the two phones through out and I'm so much enjoying the hifimans. It's the treble though, its soooo smooth and free without any hardness. They really do the violin justice!


LB, what violin album are you listening to that has you all entranced?

post #2292 of 18023
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

The HE-5LEs and the HE-6 may have something to say about that.

HE5LE and HE6 have smoother more linear treble responses, and in turn can be more unforgiving to some tracks that have inherent sibilance. HE500 treble is coloured in a way that it minimizes tizziness ( as seen by the depression between 10kHz and 20kHz); that argument is the source of my claim.

post #2293 of 18023
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post


LB, what violin album are you listening to that has you all entranced?

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It's one of my tester recordings as it's very natural and dynamic. It's also a very fine performance of Haydn's really quite neglected violin concerto's.

post #2294 of 18023
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

HE5LE and HE6 have smoother more linear treble responses, and in turn can be more unforgiving to some tracks that have inherent sibilance. HE500 treble is coloured in a way that it minimizes tizziness ( as seen by the depression between 10kHz and 20kHz); that argument is the source of my claim.

 

Gotcha...  I was just picking.  I think the HE-500 has great treble.  Better than most..

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

1000

 

It's one of my tester recordings as it's very natural and dynamic. It's also a very fine performance of Haydn's really quite neglected violin concerto's.


That one I haven't listened to but will keep an eye out for next time I'm at the record store. Thanks :)

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