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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I know this is a HE-500 thread..

 

However,  How is the PS/GS 1000 compared to the RS1i?

GS1000i is much more open and spacious than the RS1s I have (I have not heard the RS1i).

RS1s have nice tonality but can be sibilant and present a flat stage and be a little closed in.

I hate to use the term, but in this case the GS is in another league.

The PS1000s have even more rounded mids than the GS, but the PSs have too many other faults and I feel they are a work in progress.

 

The GS phones are definitely a dynamic phone, as opposed to the Hifimen and Audezes (and Stax for that matter), which all have a detectable planar character.

Dynamics seem to highlight images showing their definitive edges, whereas planars do not emphasize edges, and are smooth, sometimes smooth to a fault 

when contrasted with dynamics.

For instance, Senn HD800s and Grados especially (along with Fostexes and Denons and AT phones, and even R10s to my recollection, but to a lesser degree), clearly show each

image standing out from the background with the boundary around it, even with a touch of grain sometimes (and that grain can actually be satisfying).

Planars seem to suppress that. Even Stax 009s. 

So planars and dynamics are sort of like Venus and Mars, and vive la difference, and never the twain shall meet, or whatever your metaphor of choice is.


Edited by rgs9200m - 12/20/12 at 5:17pm
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Has anyone else stuck with pleather pads for their HE500s?

 

I found myself liking its tonality quite a lot, the pleathers give a blacker background, more midrange bloom, and a slightly smoother and more laid-back treble. Bass extension is also boosted due to the more air-tight seal.

 

I was afraid the soundstage/openness would be greatly reduced, but that turns out not to be the case.

 

Lastly it seems to be more comfortable than the velour pads on these; strange because on the HE400s the velours are far better for comfort.

 

There does seem to be some inconsistencies with regards to the foam used in the pleather pads though, I have 3 pairs (1 from the HE500, 1 from a HE300 I bought some time ago, and 1 from HE400s), and one of the three pairs has SIGNIFICANTLY superior foam compared to the other two - much softer, has much better shape memory, and is more supple. 

post #2268 of 18028
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Has anyone else stuck with pleather pads for their HE500s?

 

I found myself liking its tonality quite a lot, the pleathers give a blacker background, more midrange bloom, and a slightly smoother and more laid-back treble. Bass extension is also boosted due to the more air-tight seal.

 

I was afraid the soundstage/openness would be greatly reduced, but that turns out not to be the case.

 

Lastly it seems to be more comfortable than the velour pads on these; strange because on the HE400s the velours are far better for comfort.

 

There does seem to be some inconsistencies with regards to the foam used in the pleather pads though, I have 3 pairs (1 from the HE500, 1 from a HE300 I bought some time ago, and 1 from HE400s), and one of the three pairs has SIGNIFICANTLY superior foam compared to the other two - much softer, has much better shape memory, and is more supple. 

 

I'd agree with that

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

I'd agree with that


guys ru sure? funny...i went on my he300 from velours to pleather as it made the sound more conherent..next i went from pleather to velours on my he400 because of better soundstage and more balanced open sound..with my he500 i changed for the velours without even trying the pleathers..u guys make me curious to give the pleather a try...

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


guys ru sure? funny...i went on my he300 from velours to pleather as it made the sound more conherent..next i went from pleather to velours on my he400 because of better soundstage and more balanced open sound..with my he500 i changed for the velours without even trying the pleathers..u guys make me curious to give the pleather a try...

Velours are necessary on HE400s to complement its strengths (airiness / openness / laid-back sound), and to remedy its flaws (velours raise the recessed upper midrange somewhat and smooth out the treble response - it was empirically measured to be true).

 

These effects don't seem to do HE500s as much good though, I think.

 

HE500 upper mids are forward enough, so withdrawing it a tad with the pleathers is actually beneficial. Also the reduction of overall treble quantity with the pleathers is a nice touch, makes the HE500s sound just a tiny bit closer to utter neutrality (it is a hair on the bright side from complete neutral with velours IMO). Lastly, the HE500s don't seem to "open up" with the velours as the HE400s do, so it's useless in that regard.

 

The "bloom" effect with the pleathers on the HE500s I'm fairly sure is from your ears being much closer to the drivers, as the pleathers are softer than velours so they depress more when you wear them. It works really nicely with vocals / intimate live music etc, maybe not as much with orchestral music where you want a more distant sound signature.


Edited by jerg - 12/20/12 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Velours are necessary on HE400s to complement its strengths (airiness / openness / laid-back sound), and to remedy its flaws (velours raise the recessed upper midrange somewhat and smooth out the treble response - it was empirically measured to be true).

 

These effects don't seem to do HE500s as much good though, I think.

 

HE500 upper mids are forward enough, so withdrawing it a tad with the pleathers is actually beneficial. Also the reduction of overall treble quantity with the pleathers is a nice touch, makes the HE500s sound just a tiny bit closer to utter neutrality (it is a hair on the bright side from complete neutral with velours IMO). Lastly, the HE500s don't seem to "open up" with the velours as the HE400s do, so it's useless in that regard.

 

The "bloom" effect with the pleathers on the HE500s I'm fairly sure is from your ears being much closer to the drivers, as the pleathers are softer than velours so they depress more when you wear them. It works really nicely with vocals / intimate live music etc, maybe not as much with orchestral music where you want a more distant sound signature.


interesting...well.then..i will give it a try! did u try the pleathers with the earcup mod or just standard more closed cups?

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


interesting...well.then..i will give it a try! did u try the pleathers with the earcup mod or just standard more closed cups?

You mean the grill mod? On my HE500s I only removed the fabric from the stock grills, didn't actually cut out a new grill for it. HE500s don't seem to need as much "open" construction as HE400s to reach optimal performance.

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Originally Posted by Wirbel View Post

I've had my HE-500's for about 5 months now and love them. Unfortunately, I've been using an Essence STX to power them but am about ready to finally buy a real amp.

I've had my eye on the La Figaro 339 for quite a while now and I've heard the synergy is fantastic. I listen to a lot of different music, from laid soundtracks to electronic (ie. Lindsey Stirling), but mostly metal (many kinds). I have a pair of 225i that I owned long before the 500s, and with my available amp I think the 500s do a great job with the music I listen to. Wintersun's new album, for example, sounds phenomenal on them compared to the Grado.

That being said, is the 339 a great match for my musical tastes? I'm willing to consider other options sub-$600 if something better exists. I can't imagine the 339 changing the sound signature in a bad way versus the STX, but I'm just curious if anyone uses HE-500s with a 339 for metal? Or which amps work well with the 500s for metal?

Thanks

Good amount of individuals have reported on how well the HE-500 and LaFigaro 337/339 meld. Try searching for "LaFigaro and HE-500" and see what comes up.
A DAC upgrade would be in order as well.

Soon you will realize how poorly most metal music is mastered, that is if you haven't already. smily_headphones1.gif

The HE-500 do great with metal. Kalmah, DT, Mors, Karl Sanders and others sound great on my setup (wrote this while listening to Kalmah - 12 Gauge. Great album, poorly mastered. Noisy from the moment the acoustic guitar stops playing. WTH!)
Edited by rezolver - 12/21/12 at 12:21am
post #2274 of 18028
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Originally Posted by rezolver View Post


Good amount of individuals have reported on how well the HE-500 and LaFigaro 337/339 meld. Try searching for "LaFigaro and HE-500" and see what comes up.
A DAC upgrade would be in order as well.
Soon you will realize how poorly most metal music is mastered, that is if you haven't already. smily_headphones1.gif
The HE-500 do great with metal. Kalmah, DT, Mors, Karl Sanders and others sound great on my setup (wrote this while listening to Kalmah - 12 Gauge. Great album, poorly mastered. Noisy from the moment the acoustic guitar stops playing. WTH!)


+1 i agree..as i also said..the darkvoice 337 matches perfectly with a he500..and his brother the lafigaro 339 also. check for reviews of the darkvoice 337.

post #2275 of 18028
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

You mean the grill mod? On my HE500s I only removed the fabric from the stock grills, didn't actually cut out a new grill for it. HE500s don't seem to need as much "open" construction as HE400s to reach optimal performance.


yep i meant that... wink.gif i asked it as i read that the opengrill mod makes the tremble get a bit more prominent..and i am afraid that as i have the normal grill still on that the pleather can make the he500 sound to dark?

post #2276 of 18028
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


yep i meant that... wink.gifi asked it as i read that the opengrill mod makes the tremble get a bit more prominent..and i am afraid that as i have the normal grill still on that the pleather can make the he500 sound to dark?

Nah,the open grill mod doesn't increase treble level, it just improves treble extension and cleans up the treble decay.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Nah,the open grill mod doesn't increase treble level, it just improves treble extension and cleans up the treble decay.


soooo..if i do the easy grill mod (u dont have any protection now?) and put the pleathers on..i will have a even more balanced phone then its now?

as i remember how i really loved how the sound changed on my he300 going from velours to pleathers..more balanced..more full!  wink.gif

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In regards to the pads. I tried the pleathers again the other day (4th time now..) just to try and like them again, if only for the extra comfort and looks. But yet again I changed them back after 10 mins. There is a clear difference to me, and it is in the treble. They lose the extra air at the top (and the "zing") and this closes the soundstage and turns them into a darker headphone. Of course I can see why some will like this but its not for me. the bass and mids don't seem to be affected. With me switching from the LCD2's to the HE500's frequently, I welcome the extra "air" and "zing" on the hifimans, otherwise they sound like a poormans LCD2.. Because the HE500's without their worldclass treble, for me is like the LCD2's without their worldclass bass. Not good.  

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Now that I have had my HE-500's for close to 2 months and all but the first week has been with the velours. After jerg's comments above I am going to go back and revisit the pleathers. I have felt for a while now that these are borderline being to bright for me, so maybe this will change that. 

 

Thanks for the thoughts jerg!!

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

In regards to the pads. I tried the pleathers again the other day (4th time now..) just to try and like them again, if only for the extra comfort and looks. But yet again I changed them back after 10 mins. There is a clear difference to me, and it is in the treble. They lose the extra air at the top (and the "zing") and this closes the soundstage and turns them into a darker headphone. Of course I can see why some will like this but its not for me. the bass and mids don't seem to be affected. With me switching from the LCD2's to the HE500's frequently, I welcome the extra "air" and "zing" on the hifimans, otherwise they sound like a poormans LCD2.. Because the HE500's without their worldclass treble, for me is like the LCD2's without their worldclass bass. Not good.  
Maybe the mod jerg did on the grill makes it sound better with the pleathers.? redface.gif
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