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post #2251 of 18011
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Objectively, no, HE500s are fairly neutral. However I think Daniel there is looking for something with a treble tilt, so HE500 might not be the best candidate for him.
If he needs something with a tremble tilt then maybe the he400 is not a bad choice
post #2252 of 18011
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

I tried some grado models, and I strongly disliked them because they sounded too "thin" due to the lack of bass, so I'm afraid the GS1000 will have the same problem. I will also lioke to clarify that I listen to rock and metal (I disliked grado's even for that).

The GS and PS Grados don't sound somewhat thin like the other Grados. The PSs actually have too much bass impact for me.

If you like big bass and big lively highs, the GSs do that.

post #2253 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


If he needs something with a tremble tilt then maybe the he400 is not a bad choice

I'm pretty sure he already decided that he will indeed get the HE400, and report back on how it sounds.

post #2254 of 18011
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

The GS and PS Grados don't sound somewhat thin like the other Grados. The PSs actually have too much bass impact for me.

If you like big bass and big lively highs, the GSs do that.

the gs 1000s can have a thin and recessed midrange though due to their u shaped response though.

 

i've always enjoyed them though every time i heard them, the ps1000 simply being more refined than the gs1000

post #2255 of 18011

I know this is a HE-500 thread..

 

However,  How is the PS/GS 1000 compared to the RS1i?

post #2256 of 18011

Here is a link to my impressions of HE-500 on Emotiva Mini X-a-100 (speaker amp) with regards to JDS Labs O2 (and little bit of E10):

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/hifiman-he-500-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/405#post_8974233

post #2257 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Here is a link to my impressions of HE-500 on Emotiva Mini X-a-100 (speaker amp) with regards to JDS Labs O2 (and little bit of E10):

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/hifiman-he-500-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/405#post_8974233


Thanks for sharing this Zoom25. Very interesting read. I appreciate your attention to detail and the comprehensive description in analysing differences between these two amps. Although I do not own the O2, I have now a better picture of the Emotiva sound.

 

There is obviously the point, in what terms the HE-500 does benefit form additional power. My impression at the moment from reading is that it would be size of sound stage and bass quantity and maybe control as well. However, I find this quite difficult to precisely point out given the fact that you always change the amp itself when changing the amount of power supplied. Additionally, would an amp that delivers sufficient power for the HE-500 (is it 1W at 32 ohm? how do we know...) deliver all the goodness that additional power provides but then what about other qualities as treble extension, imaging, instrument separation etc. When generally saying (not you ;) ) "get an amp that can drive it", it sounds to me a bit like it is assumed power quantity and reproduction quality are interchangeable. I am sure power can help but I am not sure it is the most important thing to take into consideration...


Edited by Acapella11 - 12/20/12 at 3:41am
post #2258 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Acapella11 View Post


Thanks for sharing this Zoom25. Very interesting read. I appreciate your attention to detail and the comprehensive description in analysing differences between these two amps. Although I do not own the O2, I have now a better picture of the Emotiva sound.

 

There is obviously the point, in what terms the HE-500 does benefit form additional power. My impression at the moment from reading is that it would be size of sound stage and bass quantity and maybe control as well. However, I find this quite difficult to precisely point out given the fact that you always change the amp itself when changing the amount of power supplied. Additionally, would an amp that delivers sufficient power for the HE-500 (is it 1W at 32 ohm? how do we know...) deliver all the goodness that additional power provides but then what about other qualities as treble extension, imaging, instrument separation etc. When generally saying (not you ;) ) "get an amp that can drive it", it sounds to me a bit like it is assumed power quantity and reproduction quality are interchangeable. I am sure power can help but I am not sure it is the most important thing to take into consideration...

 

 

It's not.  The quality of the power is much more important.

post #2259 of 18011
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

It's not.  The quality of the power is much more important.

x2

 

Plus having a quality source to begin with and average amp will sound better than having a bad source and loads of power pumped into them. The HE500's aren't as power hungry as say the K701's or HD650's. But because they are a much more sensitive and refined headphone they will respond better to a quality source, and you can use most midrpice headphone amps to power them to great effect.  

post #2260 of 18011
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

x2

 

Plus having a quality source to begin with and average amp will sound better than having a bad source and loads of power pumped into them. The HE500's aren't as power hungry as say the K701's or HD650's. But because they are a much more sensitive and refined headphone they will respond better to a quality source, and you can use most midrpice headphone amps to power them to great effect.  


almost correct..its the quality of the amp altogether! a high quality amp with sufficient power (min 1w. rms per channel) is ALWAYS better then those big output pumping budget amps. And to be honest (and in the danger being slapped down now) i just dont understand why people pay at least 700usd or even 1200usd on a headphone and then get urself a 300usd or less! budget amp to drive it..or only use 128bps mp3 as source files on those instead of lossless.. IMHO


Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/20/12 at 5:01am
post #2261 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


almost correct..its the quality of the amp altogether! a high quality amp with sufficient power (min 1w. rms per channel) is ALWAYS better then those big output pumping budget amps. And to be honest (and in the danger being slapped down now) i just dont understand why people pay at least 700usd or even 1200usd on a headphone and then get urself a 300usd or less! budget amp to drive it..or only use 128bps mp3 as source files on those instead of lossless.. IMHO

Theres nothing "almost correct" about it. If you are going to spend that much money on a headphone and have a bad source (nevermind the high quality amp) you are wasting your money. Most amps in the midprice range will be fine with the HE500's. But you will get a lot better sound with a quality dac or cd player than you will buying a high end amp if you don't have the former.

post #2262 of 18011

Your audio chain is only as strong as your weakest link..

 

That's a old saying that still holds true today.

post #2263 of 18011
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Theres nothing "almost correct" about it. If you are going to spend that much money on a headphone and have a bad source (nevermind the high quality amp) you are wasting your money. Most amps in the midprice range will be fine with the HE500's. But you will get a lot better sound with a quality dac or cd player than you will buying a high end amp if you don't have the former.


thanks...thats what i meant also...i just didnt want to sound to negative biggrin.gif

post #2264 of 18011

I've had my HE-500's for about 5 months now and love them. Unfortunately, I've been using an Essence STX to power them but am about ready to finally buy a real amp.

 

I've had my eye on the La Figaro 339 for quite a while now and I've heard the synergy is fantastic. I listen to a lot of different music, from laid soundtracks to electronic (ie. Lindsey Stirling), but mostly metal (many kinds). I have a pair of 225i that I owned long before the 500s, and with my available amp I think the 500s do a great job with the music I listen to. Wintersun's new album, for example, sounds phenomenal on them compared to the Grado.

 

That being said, is the 339 a great match for my musical tastes? I'm willing to consider other options sub-$600 if something better exists. I can't imagine the 339 changing the sound signature in a bad way versus the STX, but I'm just curious if anyone uses HE-500s with a 339 for metal? Or which amps work well with the 500s for metal?

 

Thanks

post #2265 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Wirbel View Post

I've had my HE-500's for about 5 months now and love them. Unfortunately, I've been using an Essence STX to power them but am about ready to finally buy a real amp.

I've had my eye on the La Figaro 339 for quite a while now and I've heard the synergy is fantastic. I listen to a lot of different music, from laid soundtracks to electronic (ie. Lindsey Stirling), but mostly metal (many kinds). I have a pair of 225i that I owned long before the 500s, and with my available amp I think the 500s do a great job with the music I listen to. Wintersun's new album, for example, sounds phenomenal on them compared to the Grado.

That being said, is the 339 a great match for my musical tastes? I'm willing to consider other options sub-$600 if something better exists. I can't imagine the 339 changing the sound signature in a bad way versus the STX, but I'm just curious if anyone uses HE-500s with a 339 for metal? Or which amps work well with the 500s for metal?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Wirbel View Post

I've had my HE-500's for about 5 months now and love them. Unfortunately, I've been using an Essence STX to power them but am about ready to finally buy a real amp.

I've had my eye on the La Figaro 339 for quite a while now and I've heard the synergy is fantastic. I listen to a lot of different music, from laid soundtracks to electronic (ie. Lindsey Stirling), but mostly metal (many kinds). I have a pair of 225i that I owned long before the 500s, and with my available amp I think the 500s do a great job with the music I listen to. Wintersun's new album, for example, sounds phenomenal on them compared to the Grado.

That being said, is the 339 a great match for my musical tastes? I'm willing to consider other options sub-$600 if something better exists. I can't imagine the 339 changing the sound signature in a bad way versus the STX, but I'm just curious if anyone uses HE-500s with a 339 for metal? Or which amps work well with the 500s for metal?

Thanks

I myself owe a darkvoicE 337..a brother of the lafigaro 339..and believe me..with the he500 u have a match in heaven..i like all music..also those dark metalica ...so very heavy music with fast guitars and low and high voices..with very fast beats..i didnt find any music that this combo didnt shine in..but u have to choose ur tubes carefully..good luck with ur search
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