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post #1681 of 18029

Safe and bright are different ;)  Its safe to run your HE-500 off of 1KW mono blocks, just not bright.  Both can smoke your headphones but only if run at unsafe levels.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Safe and bright are different wink.gif  Its safe to run your HE-500 off of 1KW mono blocks, just not bright.  Both can smoke your headphones but only if run at unsafe levels.

I agree with this caveat.

I would get nervous with 1k amps but the principle is the same. So long as the volume is off and you don't play with the input jacks, there are people running them with 200-300 watt amps. The good Dr. ran them off a 100 watt Threshold speaker amp. I'd only recommend mature hobbyists run a rig like this. You wouldn't want to have to take blood from a friend that didn't know or forgot what was happening and do something like turn the volume knob all the way to maximum.
post #1683 of 18029

I am considering upgrading the stock silver cable on my HE-500s. The SQ seems fine, but I am a bit concerned about the build quality (or rather, the lack of it). The whole thing looks a bit DIY (nasty plastic 1/4" plug, inconsistent braiding, no Y-splitter, little or no strain relief at the earcup end). Therefore, I am considering getting the Toxic Cables pure silver OCC cable, but I could probably source a Hifiman HE-6 cable here in China for much less. Has anyone had a chance to compare these two cables? Is the HE-6 cable better made than the HE-500 one? How do they sound?

 

I will be using them single-ended, and may turn my stock cable into a balanced cable for use with speaker taps (unless I get the HE-6 cable, that is).

post #1684 of 18029
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Hmm that's interesting. Again at the recent meet in Dallas I used them with Woo WA6 and though I did like the sound I don't think it was able to drive them at all. Unlike evanft I am dying to find a good tube amp for the HE-500 (other than the Taboo) that can do justice to the HE-500. I wonder what my problem was with WA6 because when I cranked the volume all the way up then I was able to listen to them with any loudness at all. 

 

I said, "but the WA6 is a little more detailed and spacious and when listening quietly at night it's powerful enough".

 

You were in noisy meet conditions, which is nothing like the environment I described.  At night in my bedroom my WA6 will drive them loud enough to disturb my wife when she is asleep. 

 

I did say they did better with 2 Watts.  The EF5 amp drives them much more authoritatively, but when I was listening in my quiet bedroom I couldn't even use half the power of the WA6, let alone the 2W of the EF5 amp.

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Originally Posted by CJG888 View Post

I am considering upgrading the stock silver cable on my HE-500s. The SQ seems fine, but I am a bit concerned about the build quality (or rather, the lack of it). The whole thing looks a bit DIY (nasty plastic 1/4" plug, inconsistent braiding, no Y-splitter, little or no strain relief at the earcup end). Therefore, I am considering getting the Toxic Cables pure silver OCC cable, but I could probably source a Hifiman HE-6 cable here in China for much less. Has anyone had a chance to compare these two cables? Is the HE-6 cable better made than the HE-500 one? How do they sound?

I will be using them single-ended, and may turn my stock cable into a balanced cable for use with speaker taps (unless I get the HE-6 cable, that is).
I use the silver one but have two HE-6 cables and both have oxidised.
post #1686 of 18029

I ordered an aftermarket cable after having used several OCC and silver ones from hifiman
 

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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

I ordered an aftermarket cable after having used several OCC and silver ones from hifiman
 

 

+1 The stock cables are really not good build quality.

post #1688 of 18029

When in doubt Q out :D

post #1689 of 18029
My silver cable still works fine.
post #1690 of 18029

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Originally Posted by evanft View Post

So, I just got mine and here are my very early, right on the head impressions

 

Good

- The sound is very cohesive and "real" if that makes any sense.  

- Instrumental separation is good, if not particularly better than the Beyers.

- THE BASS IS AWESOME.

- Vocals sound good, very natural

- There doesn't seem to be any part of the sound that's over-emphasized. Everything is very even.

 

Bad

- There's a veil. I don't like that at all. In fact, I'd say that detail retrieval is lower than the Beyers. 

- They're much less comfortable than the Beyers, though I am getting used to them.

 

I'll give them some time. I think I may learn that detail retrieval is really, really important to me, moreso than I thought before. This might push me towards the HD800 if I end up not liking the sound signature. I mean, if I see a pair in the forums for about $1k, I may pick them up just to try them out. Their supposed lack of bass may be a deal breaker, though.

 

 

 

Ok, so I've had some time to really listen to these. I take back anything negative I said about them. There is no veil. If anything, there's more detail than the DT880s. The DT880s just give an artificial sense of air and detail due to their forward treble. The HE-500's smash them in just about every way. Awesome, awesome headphones.

 

The really telling part is that I just don't want to take them off. I just want to listen to more music.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by evanft View Post

They've had a little more time to burn in, and they seem to be opening up. Definitely hearing more detail and depth than before. Again, the vocals and bass stand out as being particularly awesome.

 

If I want more power, I'd think I'd go the speaker receiver/amp route rather than a dedicated headphone amp. I mean, you can get a stereo receiver for less than $200, but it seems like a headphone amp with adequate power costs an arm and a leg. So, does anyone know of a cheap receiver that has specs comparable to an O2? I really like the way this amp sounds, but more power would be nice.

 

 

The O2 is able to push the HE-500's to adequate volumes, but I'm going to investigate more powerful amping solutions. Is there a speaker amp or receiver, preferably in the $200 range, that has good specs that can be used to power the HE-500's or any other demanding ortho? I'm taking a serious look at an Emotiva amp that's on sale for $175. That seems to be a great deal. I'd need to know how to actually connect everything, obviously, before I can really commit. Also, would the speaker amp be usable with other cans, or would I be restricted to only the power-hungry monsters?

post #1691 of 18029

One, use the For Sale forum for amps in that price range.  There are a butt ton available.  Two, worry about performance more than power.  The HE-500, LCD-2 and other high level cans scale up and using them with lesser gear is fine as a stop gap but as much as you like it now, wait til you pair it with a truly great amp.

post #1692 of 18029

In the $100-200 range you can get a vintage amp that will hold you over indefinitely or as a stop gap measure until you buy a dedicated headphone amp.  I've been using a Pioneer SX-737 for the past two weeks and it has been complete joy.  I have set aside my V200 for the time being which shows you how much I think a vintage amp could do for the HE-500.  The 737 has plenty of power out of the headphone out, no need for speaker taps.  I asked plenty of people about speaker taps and all steered me away (for the time being) from them and I can hear why, the rig sounds great as is and I don't feel like spending money on re-terminating headphones.  I haven't gotten around to testing more sensitive IEMs but probably not the best idea.  YMMV depending on what is available in your area and the quality of the receivers.  I'm not trying to steer you away from the Emotiva but if you want to just plug your headphone into a machine and not worry about power or accessories a vintage amp could be the way to go.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/537704/calling-all-vintage-integrated-receiver-owners/5430#post_8518224

 

 

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Originally Posted by evanft View Post

The O2 is able to push the HE-500's to adequate volumes, but I'm going to investigate more powerful amping solutions. Is there a speaker amp or receiver, preferably in the $200 range, that has good specs that can be used to power the HE-500's or any other demanding ortho? I'm taking a serious look at an Emotiva amp that's on sale for $175. That seems to be a great deal. I'd need to know how to actually connect everything, obviously, before I can really commit. Also, would the speaker amp be usable with other cans, or would I be restricted to only the power-hungry monsters?

post #1693 of 18029

The problem with vintage for me is desk real estate.  Vintage makes my B22 look downright tiny ;)

post #1694 of 18029
Very true, not a desktop rig, more of a bookshelf rig. I'm interested to see my electricity bill this month.
post #1695 of 18029
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Originally Posted by evanft View Post

 

 

 

The O2 is able to push the HE-500's to adequate volumes, but I'm going to investigate more powerful amping solutions. Is there a speaker amp or receiver, preferably in the $200 range, that has good specs that can be used to power the HE-500's or any other demanding ortho? I'm taking a serious look at an Emotiva amp that's on sale for $175. That seems to be a great deal. I'd need to know how to actually connect everything, obviously, before I can really commit. Also, would the speaker amp be usable with other cans, or would I be restricted to only the power-hungry monsters?

 

I have an Emotiva BDP-1 (i think that is the model) that does a good job with them, and my vintage Marantz 2240 is even better (slightly warmer and punchier but not as detailed and spacious).  Both were under $200.  I think the EF5 amp is optimal with the HE-500, but it pushes your budget a little bit.

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