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I have had a very similar experience with the Fidelio L1. I paid $100 for the L1 and its a great value at that price. The headphone is just so comfy, for most general listening I usually grab it now and keep the HE-500 for the serious listening. I might eventually look at the L2, but heard it was brighter than the X2 and L1 which makes it a bit more fatiguing, so the X2 would definitely be on the radar! Thanks for the impressions and comparisons!

 

I've never heard any of the older Fidelios, but Tyll's review, and one in Head-Fi, made me want to try the X2s.  Definitely glad I did, and glad I thought to try the HM5 velours on them.  Better velour, softer, and to my ears bring out more details and improve vocals without really sacrificing the bass.  And they pass the sibilants/glare test.  The trick is finding the best way to attach them, but it doesn't take an Einstenian imagination to come up with a few to try.  The stock pads are probably a little more forgiving for less-than-ideal indie rock recordings, for example.  I put the HM5 pads to the test on an album that can be downright unlistenable on some cans, and it was fine.

 

I'll also add that while the sound stage is smaller than the HE-500s, the imaging is better.  The X2s don't approach the HE-560s in staging, but to me they're a bit more 3D than the HE-500s.

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Soundstage is also smaller on the L1, but quite airy and the imaging is very good due to the angled drivers. Main advantage of the X2 is the removable pads, the L1 can't be replaced which is a bummer, would have liked to try velours on them!

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I've had the L2 before the He-500, to my opinion they don't quite compete, it's simply not the same league. Clarity, balance, instrument separations, punch, speed, exention, everything is much better to my ears. 

 

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Are these the HM5 pads?

 

Hi Hotdogseller, sorry for the late answer. Yes, both were HM5s even though for the velour ones, there was no indication of a certain product ID, but they should also be regular HM5 substitutes. This is the amazon(.co.uk) link to the valours. The pleather ones were $8.50 / pc for me before, incl. international shipping. It seems, they have ramped up the prices for those, as they are now $22.50 / pair, still incl. international shipping though.


Edited by Acapella11 - 12/15/14 at 12:34pm
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I just got a new pair of he500s and coming from AT a900x, the he500 sounds soft and veiled. The great mid range I've been led to believe these cans are supposed to have is simply not there, sounding distant and recessed. This is about 8-10hrs in. I'm driving them via a audio gd nfb15
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I just got a new pair of he500s and coming from AT a900x, the he500 sounds soft and veiled. The great mid range I've been led to believe these cans are supposed to have is simply not there, sounding distant and recessed. This is about 8-10hrs in. I'm driving them via a audio gd nfb15


Give it time. They don't have the rep they do for nothing.

 

What pads are you using?

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Give it time. They don't have the rep they do for nothing.

What pads are you using?

So they will improve with time? It says in the little pamphlet from hifiman 150hrs burn in is recommended, do they change significantly over this period? As it is I'm pretty underwhelmed. I put the stock velour pads on there instead of the pleather
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So they will improve with time? It says in the little pamphlet from hifiman 150hrs burn in is recommended, do they change significantly over this period? As it is I'm pretty underwhelmed. I put the stock velour pads on there instead of the pleather

 

My burn-in time with these headphones was about 1.5 years maybe? :cool: Heard them extensively several times and always found something off with them - the most natural tonality I have ever heard (this is what I told myself each time) but technically not completely there (primarily lack of sense of openness, soundstage dimensionality and ultimate bass tightness + some mid treble emphasis). However, extensive modding helped to transform them into extremely good allrounders (jack of all trades, master of none)...

 

... but if you REALLY don't like their tonality from the start, I don't think that could change over time. If you really don't like the way they sound, just sell them and get something else.

 

In terms of mids, only Paradox Slant came close from the headphones I heard... Even Audeze don't have as natural-sounding mids.


Edited by Ron12 - Today at 5:57 pm
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I feel as though they are very flat and soft sounding. The mid treble emphasis may be why they seem to be more fatiguing than my a900x even though they are softer/smoother sounding. I do agree the tonality is nice and natural, but I'm just not hearing the mids as u describe. Agree on the lack of sense of openness/sound stage dimentionality. It just doesn't sound very 'dynamic'. I thought only the hd6xx were supposed to be veiled?
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I feel as though they are very flat and soft sounding. The mid treble emphasis may be why they seem to be more fatiguing than my a900x even though they are softer/smoother sounding. I do agree the tonality is nice and natural, but I'm just not hearing the mids as u describe. Agree on the lack of sense of openness/sound stage dimentionality. It just doesn't sound very 'dynamic'. I thought only the hd6xx were supposed to be veiled?

 

As for the mid-treble emphasis, this can be mitigated with something like foam, felt or shelf-liner inserted underneath pads (just remove pads, put the material onto metal magnet to cover the whole circular area and mount the pads again)... Not difficult to do and easy to revert but it does mean modifying the headphone which may not be something you are willing to do. Each type material as well as specific variation you buy behaves slightly different and therefore it requires some experimenting (or asking someone experienced).

 

As for the lack of dynamics and openness, try to remove stock grills (and use the current Hifiman velour pads instead of pleathers, as you already do). Oh, you could also try to use pads that are deep and angled for improved soundstage dimensionality and imaging precision (not to confuse with sense of openness, though!). I personally modded my jerg pads to be angled to provide me this.

 

As for the veil, I never really found them veiled, even coming from Sennheiser HD800... HD600/HD650? Yes, quite a bit grainy and veiled. HE500 have somewhat a bit muddy bass (+ they are not as superfast as HD800) but that's about it for me.


Edited by Ron12 - Today at 6:29 pm
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As for the mid-treble emphasis, this can be mitigated with something like foam, felt or shelf-liner inserted underneath pads (just remove pads, put the material onto metal magnet to cover the whole circular area and mount the pads again)... Not difficult to do and easy to revert but it does mean modifying the headphone which may not be something you are willing to do. Each type material as well as specific variation you buy behaves slightly different and therefore it requires some experimenting (or asking someone experienced).

As for the lack of dynamics and openness, try to remove stock grills (and use the current Hifiman velour pads instead of pleathers, as you already do). Oh, you could also try to use pads that are deep and angled for improved soundstage dimensionality and imaging precision (not to confuse with sense of openness, though!). I personally modded my jerg pads to be angled to provide me this.

As for the veil, I never really found them veiled, even coming from Sennheiser HD800... HD600/HD650? Yes, quite a bit grainy and veiled. HE500 have somewhat a bit muddy bass (+ they are not as superfast as HD800) but that's about it for me.
Man, I'm not too keen to modify my new he500s just yet....
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