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try out as many headphone setups as you can to get to know what you really like in a headphone, oh and you should definitely try the he-6 on a high-powered speaker amp based on how I understand your stated preferences :)

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Originally Posted by Espresto View Post

Spec-wise what would you guys say an ideal amp for the HE-500 would be? I live in China so I have the option of having one custom built for a surprisingly reasonable price. 
China is: darkvoice 337 and lafigaro339.. Ur in luck dude..u dont need to pay a fortune to get those heavy monsters to be shipped far! Try them locally and get some good tung sol tubes (5998 and sj7gt mesh plates)

U wont regret those! wink.gif
And they make u a very special custom if u have the budget. wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 8/26/14 at 9:50am
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To those that have tried both FocusPad and FocusPad-A on the HE-500:  Which would you consider the better pad if you prefer the stock Pleather to the Velours?

 

Personally, I prefer the stock pleather pads to the stock velour pads (in both sound and comfort).  Of the two new pads, which would be similar to the stock pleathers in terms of sound?

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I have a feeling focus A might do the best as it resembles the jerg pad mods the most.

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Originally Posted by borrego View Post
 

Finally got the Q701 pads installed on my HE-500.

 

 

The Q701 pads adds more air to the HE-500, sound stage is wider as expected and bass is tuned down a bit. Less V shape sounding compare with the HE-560 production Focus pads.

 

With the Q701 pads, I am not sure if I still want to do the open grill mod. The sound stage is wide enough for me now. But comfort wise I prefer the HE-560 production Focus pads a little bit more if the temperature is not high.

 

After listening with the Q701 pads for a few days, I decide to go back to the HE-560 production Focus pads. I realized the bigger sound stage given by the Q701 pads was actually "illusion" caused by reflection echo of the larger inner space of the Q701 pads. I find the echo will obscure bass details.

 

The Q701 pads mounting plate opening is actually a few mm smaller than the stock Hifiman pads mounting ring, thus it is causing additional reflection which offsets the benefits of my black pearl mod. If I have bigger ears then I may not have the echo problem with the Q701 pads

 

I may try sticking thin sound absorption foam to the Q701 mounting ring to see if it will cut down the reflection and echo. Until then I will keep using the HE-560 Focus pads.


Edited by borrego - 8/27/14 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


China is: darkvoice 337 and lafigaro339.. Ur in luck dude..u dont need to pay a fortune to get those heavy monsters to be shipped far! Try them locally and get some good tung sol tubes (5998 and sj7gt mesh plates)

U wont regret those! wink.gif
And they make u a very special custom if u have the budget. wink.gif

I'm almost definitely going custom. I have some very nice DAC components lying around and I'm ordering a DAC/Amp combo. What kind of power output would be optimal? I hear that 1w is considered the minimum for good performance with the HE-500, but does it benefit from more power? 

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Originally Posted by Liu Junyuan View Post
 

I also have the HE-500 and HD650 paired with the Lyr. The reason I got the Lyr was the same as yours, so that I could drive both high impedance cans and inefficient orthos. From my experience of tube rolling on the Lyr, the HE500s go very well with Amperex Bugle Boys and the HD 650s with Amperex  Orange Globes. I also roll Vokshod Rockets with both. I haven't ventured into any other tubes for the sake of my wallet. I hope you enjoy your Lyr 2. 

 

Thank you! My he-500 and Lyr2 came finally. I can't get over how amazing this combo sounds already, did you feel tube rolling changed the sound signature much? I'm not sure there is much I'd want to change honestly everything sounds so good lol

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For my case it's rather weird, i did change my Russian tube because i was asking the same question. The change in the sound signature seemded to be unsignificant first, but after a litle while i could detect that my Amperex 12at7 was colder, less lush, more clinical than my 6h23N, it's weird because it doesn't stands out at first as a change...then the more you listen to the tubes, the more you are able do hear the differences. It's alltogether subtle and obvious changes...

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Originally Posted by gregr507 View Post
 

 

Thank you! My he-500 and Lyr2 came finally. I can't get over how amazing this combo sounds already, did you feel tube rolling changed the sound signature much? I'm not sure there is much I'd want to change honestly everything sounds so good lol

I pretty much agree with everything Drrizzt said. I would say that if you are really enjoying the combo as it is, refrain from buying tubes until/if you ever feel the itch. Happy you are enjoying your new amp!

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Originally Posted by gregr507 View Post
 

I'll be using a schiit modi. I know, it'll be a "weak link" in my chain, but I'm not so sure I really buy in to the whole idea of spending a lot of money on a DAC. To me, they pretty much all do the same thing, and if working properly shouldn't really affect the sound. That being said, I haven't tried one of the more expensive DAC's to compare it with, but I'm not willing to spend that much money on something I'm not sure will do much (probably not a popular opinion around here, but i'm a student and money is pretty tight)

I'm a little late to this one, but I wanted to throw in my $0.02.  I bought an optical Modi as an upgrade to my Sound Blaster's DAC and couldn't hear any difference, so I returned it.  Later I purchased the Audio-GD NFB-15 and heard a very noticeable improvement in clarity, separation and black background.  

 

I thought there might have been a problem with me since I couldn't hear how awesome the Modi supposedly sounded (if you believe what everyone on Head-fi writes).  After upgrading to a much better DAC, I realize that the DAC in my sound card was just as good as the Modi, which is why I couldn't hear the difference.

 

The moral of the story for me is that the DAC is definitely an important part of the chain and if the rest of your gear is up to par, you can definitely benefit from jumping up to something nicer.  I agree with Thurston regarding diminishing returns tho.  I doubt further upgrades will be nearly as impressive.

 

Now, back to the original reason I can in here.  Please excuse the cross post, but can anyone in here speak to the differences between the HE-500 and the HE-4?  I'm borrowing a friend's HE-4 now and it's amazing and I am thinking about buying one.  However looking for reviews has led me to the HE-500 as another potential option.  I've read nothing but amazing reviews of this can, but I'm not sure if it will be worth the price difference from the HE-4.  Innerfidelity and the 50 Flagships thread both neglect to mention the HE-4.  

 

EDIT - Oh and will my NFB-15 drive them/pair well with them?


Edited by Stillhart - 9/8/14 at 2:36pm
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Stillhart your best would be to get the HE-500 from Hifiman and compare it with your friend's HE-4. Hifiman should allow you to exchange HE-500 for HE-4 if you end up preffereing the other or get a full refund and buy it used.
Edited by .Sup - 9/8/14 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post
 

I'm a little late to this one, but I wanted to throw in my $0.02.  I bought an optical Modi as an upgrade to my Sound Blaster's DAC and couldn't hear any difference, so I returned it.  Later I purchased the Audio-GD NFB-15 and heard a very noticeable improvement in clarity, separation and black background.  

 

I thought there might have been a problem with me since I couldn't hear how awesome the Modi supposedly sounded (if you believe what everyone on Head-fi writes).  After upgrading to a much better DAC, I realize that the DAC in my sound card was just as good as the Modi, which is why I couldn't hear the difference.

 

The moral of the story for me is that the DAC is definitely an important part of the chain and if the rest of your gear is up to par, you can definitely benefit from jumping up to something nicer.  I agree with Thurston regarding diminishing returns tho.  I doubt further upgrades will be nearly as impressive.

 

Now, back to the original reason I can in here.  Please excuse the cross post, but can anyone in here speak to the differences between the HE-500 and the HE-4?  I'm borrowing a friend's HE-4 now and it's amazing and I am thinking about buying one.  However looking for reviews has led me to the HE-500 as another potential option.  I've read nothing but amazing reviews of this can, but I'm not sure if it will be worth the price difference from the HE-4.  Innerfidelity and the 50 Flagships thread both neglect to mention the HE-4.  

 

EDIT - Oh and will my NFB-15 drive them/pair well with them?

HE-500

center imaging

sound stage (the HE-4 is a bit more distant, but HE-500 defined the lines very well)

micro-detail

extension (on both sides)

bass (the 500's has a little bit of the Audeze house sound going on, the bass encompasses much of the head room)

class (again, I won't say this isn't my bias speaking, but I believe the HE-500's are much more classier than the HE-4's)

warmth

 

HE-4

perceived detail (a little hot for some, I had no issues with it)

crispier

timbre (depends if you're more for the high or low end)

air (14 K monster)

speed (bounces back like a champ, it could go toe to toe with the Fostex t50rp's)

fun factor (I could live with the 4's without ever caring for the 500's, ever)

 

If you like the HE-4's, you'll probably enjoy the HD800's (nice, but very sterile in my opinion) and the HE-6's (not as distant sounding as the 4's, but more resolving). If you prefer the HE-500's, then you'll probably prefer the Audeze LCD-2/3 (I know I did, those cans are absolutely mystifying), and the Beyer T1's (I thought the T1 's sound very similar to the He-500's, but with more stride).


Edited by headphonatic - 9/8/14 at 5:23pm
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"If you like the HE-4's, you'll probably enjoy the HD800's (nice, but very sterile in my opinion) and the HE-6's (not as distant sounding as the 4's, but more resolving). If you prefer the HE-500's, then you'll probably prefer the Audeze LCD-2/3 (I know I did, those cans are absolutely mystifying), and the Beyer T1's (I thought the T1 's sound very similar to the He-500's, but with more stride)."

if you had to pic one for everyday use, which would it be and why ?

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Originally Posted by shayson1357 View Post
 

"If you like the HE-4's, you'll probably enjoy the HD800's (nice, but very sterile in my opinion) and the HE-6's (not as distant sounding as the 4's, but more resolving). If you prefer the HE-500's, then you'll probably prefer the Audeze LCD-2/3 (I know I did, those cans are absolutely mystifying), and the Beyer T1's (I thought the T1 's sound very similar to the He-500's, but with more stride)."

if you had to pic one for everyday use, which would it be and why ?

The LCD-3's, any day of all eternity.

 

Audeze house sound really is something else. The bass extension on the LCD's is so low, it encompasses the entirety of the sound like none other.

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Originally Posted by headphonatic View Post
 

The LCD-3's, any day of all eternity.

 

Audeze house sound really is something else. The bass extension on the LCD's is so low, it encompasses the entirety of the sound like none other.

To me, the HE-6 and LCD3 have a visceral, textured bass that is quite on par with one another at high volumes. For lower volume listening, I'd give the nod to the LCD3, but in terms of pure potential, I'd say they are pretty evenly matched in almost all regards. 

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