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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

 

a) Because there's an entire headphone amp industry that wants to perpetuate itself

b) Background noise levels when used with headphones

c) Volume control issues

d) Risk of blowing up drivers or eardrums if one's not careful.

 

There are some pretty good reasons why generally the average user is better/safer off getting a headphone amp imo.  Of course if you know what you're doing and not afraid to experiment/own demanding cans then using a speaker amp *can* represent serious savings and better sound quality.

+1000

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They should

Everyone should be using a speaker amp for the HE500s, such good value. I'd only drop the speaker amps once I start looking at TOTL headphone amps and cans which I'm saving for now. Not sure what I'll get yet but the budget will be roughly $5k for cans and similar for the amp/DAC

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A speaker amp wouldn't fit on my desk :P also I prefer amps whose characteristics are tuned at the impedences headphones normally operate at, and are designed with headphones in mind. At least for the Mjolnir I heard it at a meet first, and got to hear some speaker amps there as well, along with some TOTL amps, and really dug the MJ the most out of the bunch.

Speaker amps are great and I do not discourage people from using them if they want, especially considering the sensitivity and current requirements of the HE-500, but there are certainly headphone amps that excel with them, they just happen to not overlap with most of the commonly suggested amps around head fi.
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

Everyone should be using a speaker amp for the HE500s, such good value. I'd only drop the speaker amps once I start looking at TOTL headphone amps and cans which I'm saving for now. Not sure what I'll get yet but the budget will be roughly $5k for cans and similar for the amp/DAC

Reference grade standalone DAC's are about $100-150 nowadays. That includes your choice of DAC chip and op amps.

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Originally Posted by GeneraI View Post

Might have to pick up a pair of HE-500's in the next month if I can find them for around $500. With the release of the HE-560 I think I can score a great deal. biggrin.gif

Razordog has "B Stock" HE-500's for $495 right now. Bought a pair myself and they came in perfect like new condition. Couldn't be happier...
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Reference grade standalone DAC's are about $100-150 nowadays. That includes your choice of DAC chip and op amps.
reference grade? 150usd? And Standalone in metal case? I dont know what brand ur referring to, but reference dacs for sure dont cost 150usd, maybe u missed a zero behind the figures?

Am wondering..what u mean with reference grade?

In my dictionary thats TOTL stuff...

But i have a feeling reference grade in ur book means something different...but i old-fashioned in my ways and believes..so i must be missing something i guess. tongue.gif

@spurxiii
For that amount of money u can get urself an amp hand built by ur own specs, no matter how crazy!
I did it and i couldnt be happier, so if u do have 5000usd for amp/dac to spend..check a certain blue circle company..u wont regret it tongue.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 4/16/14 at 5:57pm
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Thanks, let's see if I get the money in time before the sale ends. 

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Originally Posted by headphonatic View Post

Reference grade standalone DAC's are about $100-150 nowadays. That includes your choice of DAC chip and op amps.
reference grade? 150usd? And Standalone in metal case? I dont know what brand ur referring to, but reference dacs for sure dont cost 150usd, maybe u missed a zero behind the figures?

Am wondering..what u mean with reference grade?

In my dictionary thats TOTL stuff...

But i have a feeling reference grade in ur book means something different...but i old-fashioned in my ways and believes..so i must be missing something i guess. tongue.gif

 

Isn't it obvious? That can only be the ODAC :p

 

Personally, I have settled on thinking that my DAC and cabling situation is transparent to such a degree that I won't think about it. Am doing pretty well in that regard, I feel no urge to upgrade my source.

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Wait a little longer..as soon the 560 appears on the market and more talked about, more people will want to sell their he500... I am not surprised if they get as low as 450usd or less. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by headphonatic View Post
 

Reference grade standalone DAC's are about $100-150 nowadays. That includes your choice of DAC chip and op amps.

It's not (yet) mandatory to drink the ODAC kool-aid.....so I guess different interpretations of 'reference grade' are permissible.  Nothing against the product, it's great and at its price, unbeatable.  But a long shot from what I expect to find in a TOTL DAC, feature wise.

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ODAC + O2 = G.O.A.T :D

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I quite dig the Dangerous Source, seems to me it has great potential to be 'reference'.

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


reference grade? 150usd? And Standalone in metal case? I dont know what brand ur referring to, but reference dacs for sure dont cost 150usd, maybe u missed a zero behind the figures?

Am wondering..what u mean with reference grade?

In my dictionary thats TOTL stuff...

But i have a feeling reference grade in ur book means something different...but i old-fashioned in my ways and believes..so i must be missing something i guess. tongue.gif

@spurxiii
For that amount of money u can get urself an amp hand built by ur own specs, no matter how crazy!
I did it and i couldnt be happier, so if u do have 5000usd for amp/dac to spend..check a certain blue circle company..u wont regret it tongue.gif

Depends on what you're willing to do in order to get it. A lot of Chinese made DACs feature chips like the AD1955, ES9018, etc, and the design isn't lacking either. A dual design might cost couple hundred more, but nothing too big. Price doesn't really mean anything anymore, cause nowadays someone somewhere can provide the same thing for a lot cheaper.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Topping-D20-High-Bit-DAC-Multi-function-USB-Optical-Coaxial-Decode-/161184097911?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-SMSL-Sanskrit-24bit-192kHz-USB-DAC-Coaxial-Optical-Decoder-SD-1955-upgrade-/261384157525

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WM8741-DIR9001-CS8421-fiber-coaxial-Up-Sampling-DAC-Decoder-/251473429943

Spec wise, these guys play at the top of the line.


Edited by headphonatic - 4/16/14 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

I quite dig the Dangerous Source, seems to me it has great potential to be 'reference'.

It really is reference material. Easily takes on DACs up to 2-3k (Bryston BDA-2, NAD M51, Arcam D33, some Marantz reference stuff).

 

The headphone amp is very neutral but still packing in the bass with just the right amount of air and so damn fine to listen to. It's the funnest thing I've heard while being neutral and non fatiguing. Tames the treble of every headphone I've heard on it including D2000 and HD800. The HD800 on the Source beats every HE-500, HE-6, LCD-2 and LCD-3 combo I've ever tried to date with rigs going up to 8k.

 

Having said that, I still prefer using my Source with powered monitors. Makes me not even want to touch headphones at all. The DAC and pre-amp is full on studio reference grade. Dangerous supposedly removed some features on their much higher end models but the sound for the features is exactly the same. Everyone with other Dangerous stuff seems to agree so far on the performance of it being the same on the Source.

 

I love it the most for gaming and watching movies. It's dead on real life sounding.


Edited by Zoom25 - 4/16/14 at 7:31pm
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Sooo, whats the best bang for the buck way to get a four conductor cable i can splice an XLR plug onto?     I've tried searching the diy cable thread for sources of cable and it just made my head hurt. Interested to hear what everybody else has done...

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