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Why would speaker amp seem suspect
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Finally got around to getting a headphone stand. 



Did the grill mod make a big difference? Looks good
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What would be the cheapest  amp that would work well with the 500? Would something like the magni work?

 

Seems people are saying it requires 1-2w which the magni just makes it into. The whole speaker amp thing seems suspect. Also seems people are getting poor results with o2 and fiio amps.

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shure-FP-22-Stereo-Headphone-Amp-/331178361079?pt=US_DJ_Monitoring_Headphones&hash=item4d1bc4c0f7

(there are more on eBay, this may not be the best looking one but it's a steal)

 

You will not regret buying one of these balanced babies. Used by professional musical engineers, mono+stereo+balanced

 

Same signature as the Musical Fidelity M1 HPA which I used to own, but Shure FP-22 has much more voltage swing I only use a fraction of its capacity because opening volume at 20% will already be enough to go deaf. Balanced in, 4 outputs and is a great match with M1DAC. Sold my Musical Fidelity M1 HPA. Enough said? 

 

Edit: this is my favorite setup for my HE-500 with Toxic Cable Silver Poison + J$ pads


Edited by Jobbing - 4/16/14 at 12:58pm
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Did the grill mod make a big difference? Looks good
Yes it sounds more open and slightly brighter.
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Yes it sounds more open and slightly brighter.

cool. Where did you get the grill?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shure-FP-22-Stereo-Headphone-Amp-/331178361079?pt=US_DJ_Monitoring_Headphones&hash=item4d1bc4c0f7

(there are more on eBay, this may not be the best looking one but it's a steal)

 

You will not regret buying one of these balanced babies. Used by professional musical engineers, mono+stereo+balanced

 

Same signature as the Musical Fidelity M1 HPA which I used to own, but Shure FP-22 has much more voltage swing I only use a fraction of its capacity because opening volume at 20% will already be enough to go deaf. Balanced in, 4 outputs and is a great match with M1DAC. Sold my Musical Fidelity M1 HPA. Enough said? 

 

Edit: this is my favorite setup for my HE-500 with Toxic Cable Silver Poison + J$ pads

 

Why would not everyone use them?

 

:SkepticalCat:


Edited by WTFGoD - 4/16/14 at 2:23pm
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Is there not issues... like noise or destroying your headphones? If there was no reason for headphone amps why does everyone not just use a speaker amp? >.>

The HE500s can handle all that power, heck I've even turned up the volume to maximum (deafening volumes) on the speaker amp with no resistors and used it like a speaker. It handles that power with ease. Also 50w into 8ohms isn't the same as 50w into 32 ohms. Theres no issue so long as you're not using something like a 200w amp. The noise is only an issue at deafening volumes and only for the mini-x, my Topping has hardly any noise floor.

 

Why doesn't everyone use speaker amps? Not knowing? fear? marketing? Sorry I don't know

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The shure you mention is very week judging from specs (30 mW into 8 ohms, 20 into 63 ohms before clipping). Has also got an output impedance at around 10 ohms.

I destroyed my he500 from using a 125 watt emotiva power amp despite the protection circuitry (which did kick in). Can't say why it happened, but I doubt it'd happen on a headphone amp.
Edited by davidsh - 4/16/14 at 2:40pm
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The HE500s can handle all that power, heck I've even turned up the volume to maximum (deafening volumes) on the speaker amp with no resistors and used it like a speaker. It handles that power with ease. Also 50w into 8ohms isn't the same as 50w into 32 ohms. Theres no issue so long as you're not using something like a 200w amp. The noise is only an issue at deafening volumes and only for the mini-x, my Topping has hardly any noise floor.

 

Why doesn't everyone use speaker amps? Not knowing? fear? marketing? Sorry I don't know

 

a) Because there's an entire headphone amp industry that wants to perpetuate itself

b) Background noise levels when used with headphones

c) Volume control issues

d) Risk of blowing up drivers or eardrums if one's not careful.

 

There are some pretty good reasons why generally the average user is better/safer off getting a headphone amp imo.  Of course if you know what you're doing and not afraid to experiment/own demanding cans then using a speaker amp *can* represent serious savings and better sound quality.

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Why would not everyone use them?

:SkepticalCat:


They should
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a) Because there's an entire headphone amp industry that wants to perpetuate itself

b) Background noise levels when used with headphones

c) Volume control issues

d) Risk of blowing up drivers or eardrums if one's not careful.

 

There are some pretty good reasons why generally the average user is better/safer off getting a headphone amp imo.  Of course if you know what you're doing and not afraid to experiment/own demanding cans then using a speaker amp *can* represent serious savings and better sound quality.

+1000

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They should

Everyone should be using a speaker amp for the HE500s, such good value. I'd only drop the speaker amps once I start looking at TOTL headphone amps and cans which I'm saving for now. Not sure what I'll get yet but the budget will be roughly $5k for cans and similar for the amp/DAC

post #13378 of 16449
A speaker amp wouldn't fit on my desk :P also I prefer amps whose characteristics are tuned at the impedences headphones normally operate at, and are designed with headphones in mind. At least for the Mjolnir I heard it at a meet first, and got to hear some speaker amps there as well, along with some TOTL amps, and really dug the MJ the most out of the bunch.

Speaker amps are great and I do not discourage people from using them if they want, especially considering the sensitivity and current requirements of the HE-500, but there are certainly headphone amps that excel with them, they just happen to not overlap with most of the commonly suggested amps around head fi.
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Everyone should be using a speaker amp for the HE500s, such good value. I'd only drop the speaker amps once I start looking at TOTL headphone amps and cans which I'm saving for now. Not sure what I'll get yet but the budget will be roughly $5k for cans and similar for the amp/DAC

Reference grade standalone DAC's are about $100-150 nowadays. That includes your choice of DAC chip and op amps.

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Might have to pick up a pair of HE-500's in the next month if I can find them for around $500. With the release of the HE-560 I think I can score a great deal. biggrin.gif

Razordog has "B Stock" HE-500's for $495 right now. Bought a pair myself and they came in perfect like new condition. Couldn't be happier...
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