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+1 This is one of my favorite things to do with my hobbies.

 

I have also been doing this with my Oculus Rift. It's great to give people an experience they would never have on their own.

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I have also been doing this with my Oculus Rift. It's great to give people an experience they would never have on their own.

 

Rift is pretty amazing!  I love mine.

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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

Oh man I used to do that with the HE-6. But that was the only headphone I ever wanted to.listen to for that long.
Hopefully the 560 will fix it.

It's a night and day difference, trust me on that. You'd hardly recognize the (lack of dis)comfort as being a Hifiman headphone!

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It's a night and day difference, trust me on that. You'd hardly recognize the (lack of dis)comfort as being a Hifiman headphone!

Yep the HE-6 liked to extort pressure on the top of my head... Maybe I'll be finally able to fully concentrate on the sound! eek.gif
Can't be here soon enough wink.gif
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Funny how this is an individual thing, I often wear my HE-500 or HE-6 for hours on end (the benefits of having a private office) and have no issues with pressure on the top of my head, it's a wide headband that seems to distribute the weight well in my case.  Occasionally I feel some discomfort on my cheekbones (pressure) but that's mainly when I'm busy with running training and very skinny.

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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

Funny how this is an individual thing, I often wear my HE-500 or HE-6 for hours on end (the benefits of having a private office) and have no issues with pressure on the top of my head, it's a wide headband that seems to distribute the weight well in my case.  Occasionally I feel some discomfort on my cheekbones (pressure) but that's mainly when I'm busy with running training and very skinny.

The individual thing is more about tolerances. Different people, different tolerances for discomfort. I have been wearing my HE500s for sometimes 10 hours a day for the past year too, but that doesn't mean the drastic comfort improvement with HE560 has not been extremely welcome.

 

I really wish the new headband would be backward-compatible...that plus the new earpads would probably do it for me for HE500 even without the reduced weight.

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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
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So this may be of some interest:

 

I am the only one I know (family, friends, co-workers) who gives a crap about their audio setup. Most people I know are fine with their Apple earbuds and don't care to try anything else. I'm sure many of you can relate. The real shame is that almost everyone in my family is either a musician or really into music - they just don't care to get into the tech of higher-quality listening.

 

I had my family and a few friends over my apartment last night, I took the opportunity to demo my HE-500 / Lyr setup. I made sure that I had some FLAC files of each person's favorite music beforehand. Everyone was blown away...

but the best was my father. He used to be a total music nerd, but in the past 30 years he's become the kind of guy who has replaced all his hobbies with work.

 

I let him listen to the Beatles, Neil Young, Jethro Tull, and a few others. It was amazing - it's the first time I have ever seen him concentrate on something that's not work related since I was a kid. He even listened to a new band (to him)-  Radiohead's OK Computer - and liked it. He was like "wow, these guys really have a lot going on in their music."

 

So, fun little anecdote I guess. Quality audio is worth sharing.  

 

My dad was the same the first time he listened to my Grado RS1i. I've recently got both my parents more into audio and it quite fun seeing them starting to buy CDs etc. They also travel a lot they've realised the importance of having nice headphones for air travel. My dad also purchased my HE-500s in Beijing which I received as a X-mas gift and he was hugely impressed by them, except the weight! I think he listened to them on some very fancy tube setup in the store and he didn't have a clue what half of the stuff in the shop was.:p 

 

Last year they purchased a B&W Panorama 2 soundbar and they seem very happy with it. My parents were quite annoyed and confused by the complexity of modern sound systems. The Panorama soundbar is just plug 'n play, whether the set-top box is hooked up or the CD-player. It plays decent stereo music, makes the flat screen TV sound better and decodes movie soundtracks.

 

I'm still trying to convince some of our musician friends, one who is busy with a music PhD (organ) and her husband is a very gifted player of the violin and has played in a couple of orchestras. They just have a Samsung HT setup in their home! She listened to my HE-500s and thought they were pretty terrific, but they haven't rushed out to buy a pair! There is definitely a huge difference in interest between playing and listening to music. They are visiting again later this month and I can't wait to hear what they think of the KEF LS50 speakers.

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FWIW,

time to depart with my mint HE-500 and like-new jergpads.

in the For Sale forum at a good price if anyone is interested.

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Balanced obviously adds to the power. I hear a little larger soundscape, and placement of instruments and voices are very solid. 

 

I am also using balanced right now with the new HE560 and get the same results. Very open, dynamic pinpoint imaging. The 500 and 560 do sound different but feel the 500 is a great phone to go with, just a little different sound, with the 560 having a little more extension and speed. Like venues either at a recording or live, sound changes and so with headphones, nothing being totally better, just a different view of the music. 

 

The 560 are a review sample. 

 

I found that the key to using the WA22 is to ONLY use the balanced input.  Doing so will make the balanced output and the 1/4" jack both sound much better, and both will perform much closer to each other in all areas except power.  

 

But if all I had was a single ended DAC I would not bother with the WA22 - I compared it side by side with my single ended ZDT for 2 weeks, and with a single ended DAC the ZDT was a noticeable step ahead of the WA22.  In single ended mode the WA22 felt more like my WA6, with less dynamics, depth of stage, and width of stage.  But with a balanced DAC the WA22 could come within a few percentage points of my ZDT (with RS-1 and HD800, while with D7000 the ZDT still ran away).

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HeadphoneAddict, how is the WA6 w/ the HE-500 in your opinion? I'm still looking for a 'near' end game amp for the HE-500 without breaking $1500... I'd be using my Bushmaster MKII for a DAC.

 

Also, if you've (or anyone) heard the WA6-SE, is it twice as good (considering it's 2x the price)?

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The feedback I've heard from Woo Audio with the HE-500 has been mixed on this thread. Looking beyond Woo Audio there is too much choice at the price bracket! Just to think of couple that could be classified as near end game...

 

Audio-GD Master 9

Burson Soloist

Darkvoice 337/La Figaro 339 with upgraded tubes

Hifiman EF-6

Pathos Aurium

Violectric V200

 

If I was in your position I'd probably look at the Violectric V200. It sounds from going by other users feedback like the best near end game quality amp one could find. As a bonus it plays nice with a wide variety of headphones. Only thing its due for replacement in the near future.


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Originally Posted by TooPoor View Post
 

HeadphoneAddict, how is the WA6 w/ the HE-500 in your opinion? I'm still looking for a 'near' end game amp for the HE-500 without breaking $1500... I'd be using my Bushmaster MKII for a DAC.

 

Also, if you've (or anyone) heard the WA6-SE, is it twice as good (considering it's 2x the price)?

 

My maxed WA6 has great detail, ambience, and air with the HE-500, but it seems to lack a little in the bass foundation and impact.  Bass is there, but it just feels a little soft since the power is not very high for use with inefficient low impedance phones.  

 

Gobs of power is there with something like a D5000, D7000, Edition 9 or any Grados, and also plenty with a high impedance HD600 or HD800.  But most orthodynamics don't have the same punch on the WA6 as the other phones.  I'm told the WA6 SE has 3x the power, and so that could be a great match, but I haven't tried it.  I have tried the WA7 with the HE-500 at RMAF, and the combo was excellent, and yet it sounded great with HD800 too.

 

The DACmini has noticeably more power and impact, yet sounds a lot like my WA6 that's using Sylvania VT-231 tubes with adapters and a Sophia Princess 274b.  But DACmini also has a wider soundstage.  On the other hand, my HD800 can sound a little bright and fatiguing with the DACmini sometime, while with the WA6 I can tone things down a bit with warmer or darker tubes.  

 

So, for the HE-500 I'd pick the DACmini over the WA6, unless it was the SE. A better near end game amp for HE-500 would be the EF6 amp, which is under $1500.

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 The LaFigaro is on my short list the more I hear/read. Also, the LD MKVI+ (balanced/powerful). I've had the V200 and it was awesome with my HD800. But I'd want to wait to hear some feedback on the the new V282 (I think?).

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GREAT info, guys. Honestly, so much appreciated. I'll be comparing my modded HE-500 to the new HE-560 soon. The 500 is really killing me in the comfort department, though I love the 'phone. I'm hoping to grab a 560 + sub-summit fi tube amp and call it a day for awhile.

 

 The DV/LaFigaro seems like the $$ I want to spend, but it's not balanced. Whereas, the LD MKVI+ is with just as much power... I just havent heard much of anything about the LD.

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Originally Posted by TooPoor View Post
 

GREAT info, guys. Honestly, so much appreciated. I'll be comparing my modded HE-500 to the new HE-560 soon. The 500 is really killing me in the comfort department, though I love the 'phone. I'm hoping to grab a 560 + sub-summit fi tube amp and call it a day for awhile.

 

 The DV/LaFigaro seems like the $$ I want to spend, but it's not balanced. Whereas, the LD MKVI+ is with just as much power... I just havent heard much of anything about the LD.

Opinions differ on this but I've found the balanced/SE advantage to be very relative, putting things mildly.  If you look at my sig you'll see I own the V200 as well as the DV337, predecessor to the 339.  Can only confirm that both play very nice with the HD-500 and also the HD-800 (the last one's made for tubes imho, they take off the edge a bit.  V200's just a little on the warm side for an ss amp, dv 337 sounds quite ss (for a tube amp and depending on the tubes).  If you get the 337 or better yet, the 339, budget something extra because you'll want to replace the stock tubes and the really good stuff comes at a hefty price (5998, Graphite 6080's....).  The dark voice/la figaro amps are built exceedingly well, point to point wiring, very neat, top quality soldering.  Can't say anything about the LD amps.

 

Only drawback to the V200 (very relative) is that it's not the ultimate in detail retrieval and resolution but as an upside, with its 2750 mW into 50 Ohm it drives even the HE-6 well, not to the limit of what it's capable off but trust me it sounds good and you can get all the volume you'd want.

 

I can unhesitatingly recommend both but as was remarked, an upgrade for the V200 will soon become available, no definite info on specs yet except that it's supposed to deliver a bit more power.  But the privilege comes at the expense of an extra slice of cash.  If I were you I'd wait for the upgrade or for a used V200 to become available at lower prices once people start to trade up, which -this hobby being what it is- some will inevitably do.

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