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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

I see, I used to own the DT-880, very good value overall but I didn't care for their treble, tried the T1 in a store and decided it was just the Beyer 'house signature' which wasn't my thing.  Barring perhaps some electrostats one day (bank account shivers when contemplating an SR9 and bhse), for the foreseeable future my present headphones bring me all I could wish for.  Especially the 6 though it's a bear to drive well.

 

Yeah, T1s definitely need the right chain and amp, but to my ears they're way ahead of the rest of the beyer range.

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Thanks for your feedback on the Bottlehead amps as I was quite interested in both of these as an option. From your description they sound too euphonic tube-like that I would enjoy them. I guess the La Figaro 339 would be a nice option for tube amp with a more solid state like sound.

 

The HE-500 is definitely not peaky, though it does have a couple of dips in the upper midrange which you can pick up if you play a frequency sweep. If you want to redefine your views on peakiness go give a couple of Grado headphones a listen. It was difficult to enjoy the RS1i's after I got used to the HE-500s once you notice their peaky behaviour and colourations.


Edited by daerron - 4/4/14 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post

 

S.E.X.

 

  • Smoother sound
  • More forward, creamy vocals
  • Lush and liquid sounding
  • Possibly slightly more bass presence and impact, but it's very, very subtle if at all and may depend on the output setting of the Mainline too

This is how I expected this kit to sound paired with the HE-500 based on other impressions and it's specs.  Being a SET fan, it's definitely one of the better values out there considering you can also doubles as a speaker amp for some near-field monitors and finding good matched tube pairs is pretty inexpensive.

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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

Thanks for your feedback on the Bottlehead amps as I was quite interested in both of these as an option. From your description they sound too euphonic tube-like that I would enjoy them. I guess the La Figaro 339 would be a nice option for tube amp with a more solid state like sound.

 

The HE-500 is definitely not peaky, though it does have a couple of dips in the upper midrange which you can pick up if you play a frequency sweep. If you want to redefine your views on peakiness go give a couple of Grado headphones a listen. It was difficult to enjoy the RS1i's after I got used to the HE-500s once you notice their peaky behaviour and colourations.

 

Sorry if my description was misleading. Those 2 Bottlehead amps are really not euphonic and the Mainline in particular is as accurate and detailed (i.e. not rolled off or euphonic) as any sold state amp I've tried thanks to significant power regulation ensuring very tight control over the performance of the tubes.

 

I have listened to many different Grados and beyers, both of which are significantly "peaky". The HE-500s are far from this, but do still have a little peak in the treble at 9k:

 

 

I really like the HE-500s so this isn't a criticism. My point was that I bought them for a lusher sound so I'm choosing to pair them accordingly. Is it less accurate and possibly not hearing them to their technical full potential? Probably, but I have the T1s for that... so long as we're all happy with our various setups, that's what matters.

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Your description was extremely helpful and it's much appreciated.  Just finished reading your very comprehensive review of the mainline, congratulations!

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Originally Posted by inertianinja View Post
 

 

I switched the tubes for a different set entirely, and through 3 power cycles now (complete warm-up, cool-down) the issue hasn't happened.

 

I'm hesitant to keep switching tubes, since i'm entirely new to tube amps and I'm not sure how much swapping the sockets can take.

 

Glad to hear you're enjoying those HE-500 with the Lyr....excellent excellent synergy from what I remember.  That is one setup hard to beat for the $$.  You want to quit switching tubes?  IMO put endgame tubes that are more of an all around performer in the Lyr and listen to your heart's content.  I'd suggest Lorenz Stuggart 2 or 3 mica.....or Telefunken/Siemen cCA (big $$ though).....or also the the Amperex USN-CEP 6922's.  You won't need to roll any further IMO except for specifc tastes (trying to accentuate highs or bass etc....or a creamier sweeter tube like Mullard etc).  But yeah....with the ceramic base plate I'd doubt you can harm anything tube rolling for years continuously.  It's part of the fun with the Lyr.  Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by sensui123 View Post

 

Glad to hear you're enjoying those HE-500 with the Lyr....excellent excellent synergy from what I remember.  That is one setup hard to beat for the $$.  You want to quit switching tubes?  IMO put endgame tubes that are more of an all around performer in the Lyr and listen to your heart's content.  I'd suggest Lorenz Stuggart 2 or 3 mica.....or Telefunken/Siemen cCA (big $$ though).....or also the the Amperex USN-CEP 6922's.  You won't need to roll any further IMO except for specifc tastes (trying to accentuate highs or bass etc....or a creamier sweeter tube like Mullard etc).  But yeah....with the ceramic base plate I'd doubt you can harm anything tube rolling for years continuously.  It's part of the fun with the Lyr.  Enjoy!

 

The NOVIB socket savers from Tubemonger will let you roll to your heart's content.  I love mine, and not just because they raise the tubes.

 

After tons of reading and research, I find the tube rolling game to be buy-and-try.  If you really don't like how a pair sounds, or want to sell in order to finance a different pair, you can usually find a buyer.  You'll probably have to eat a small "rental" fee (that's how I think of it), but you can probably recoup most of the cost.

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Agreed with the try and buy game. I ended up trying lots of tubes with the Project Sunrise 2 (which was a lot of fun btw), but sold most of those I didn't like which happened to be about 6/8. Imagining it is like drinking different types of wines which is great fun, but It can also be a bit maddening, thinking about which next great tube to try, or whether you are getting close to the max potential (is that new valve really endgame?)! It can feel a bit like trying to setup up a turntable when you are a newbie.. I must have messed around with the setup around a hundred times when I got a new cartridge for it, measuring the arc, alignment and VTA and then lots of head scratching when it doesn't sound right and then eventually realising its the stylus running in.. :p 

 

I guess that is one of the reasons why I prefer solid state in the end even though I do feel vinyl and tubes do have an edge, particularly when you hit a magic combination, it can be a really rewarding pursuit. With solid state what you is what is you get, especially once gear is burned in, it takes out the guesswork a bit, but also some of the fun away, but gives one more time to focus on the music!


Edited by daerron - 4/5/14 at 7:32pm
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With me it's the other way around, I started out with a strong preference for SS gear but lately it's been my DV 337 tube amp that's been getting all the head-time with my HE-500 and HD-800 (not with the 6 as it lacks some power to drive them really well).  I'm hard to please, my ss amp is said to be among the most 'tube' sounding ones on the market and the DV is very neutral for a tube amp (depending also on the tubes used of course).  I auditioned a couple other tube amplifiers and don't really like those who sound overly 'tube-like' and get adjectives such as 'laid-back', 'syrupy', 'lush'. Also depends on the music of course but with classical I feel tubes do bring something extra to the table.

 

Have been rolling a load of 6AS7 and 6080 variants lately, together with the same pair of RCA 6SJ7WGT mesh plates.  Will do a complete write-up with pics in the appropriate thread once I'm done but generally I prefer the 6AS7 over the 6080 and -sad to say due to their insane pricing- at the moment the TungSol 5998 seem to rule the roost, power tube wise.  

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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

With me it's the other way around, I started out with a strong preference for SS gear but lately it's been my DV 337 tube amp that's been getting all the head-time with my HE-500 and HD-800 (not with the 6 as it lacks some power to drive them really well).  I'm hard to please, my ss amp is said to be among the most 'tube' sounding ones on the market and the DV is very neutral for a tube amp (depending also on the tubes used of course).  I auditioned a couple other tube amplifiers and don't really like those who sound overly 'tube-like' and get adjectives such as 'laid-back', 'syrupy', 'lush'. Also depends on the music of course but with classical I feel tubes do bring something extra to the table.

Have been rolling a load of 6AS7 and 6080 variants lately, together with the same pair of RCA 6SJ7WGT mesh plates.  Will do a complete write-up with pics in the appropriate thread once I'm done but generally I prefer the 6AS7 over the 6080 and -sad to say due to their insane pricing- at the moment the TungSol 5998 seem to rule the roost, power tube wise.  
Lolz..mate..ur starting to sound like me when i had that 337, but i agree, It has a very addictive sound with the right tubes(yep same ones u prefer) on the he500...almost unbeatable..as its fast and neutral almost like a good SS, but with the the soundstage and organic sound only a good tube amp can provide...

For MUCH better u have to invest hugely amp wise... As i did...
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Originally Posted by sensui123 View Post
 

 

Glad to hear you're enjoying those HE-500 with the Lyr....excellent excellent synergy from what I remember.  That is one setup hard to beat for the $$.  You want to quit switching tubes?  IMO put endgame tubes that are more of an all around performer in the Lyr and listen to your heart's content.  I'd suggest Lorenz Stuggart 2 or 3 mica.....or Telefunken/Siemen cCA (big $$ though).....or also the the Amperex USN-CEP 6922's.  You won't need to roll any further IMO except for specifc tastes (trying to accentuate highs or bass etc....or a creamier sweeter tube like Mullard etc).  But yeah....with the ceramic base plate I'd doubt you can harm anything tube rolling for years continuously.  It's part of the fun with the Lyr.  Enjoy!

 

Definitely enjoying them. With regard to the sound cutting out, I reseated the headphone cables and I haven't had the issue repeat, so I think I'm okay.

 

I have promised myself that I'm going to take some time to get into these (stock tubes & 1974 Voskhod Rockets) before upgrading...especially to any big money tubes. Changing the tubes themselves is weird for a noob - they feel fragile (sockets soldered to the PCB, glass...all fragile things), but require a ton of force to move. But after a few switches I think i'll get the feel.

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Lolz..mate..ur starting to sound like me when i had that 337, but i agree, It has a very addictive sound with the right tubes(yep same ones u prefer) on the he500...almost unbeatable..as its fast and neutral almost like a good SS, but with the the soundstage and organic sound only a good tube amp can provide...

For MUCH better u have to invest hugely amp wise... As i did...

MUCH is a very relative term and not quantifiable but I am glad you feel so.  Wait, feeling is also relative.  Nvm.  :D

 

Glad Xenophon is taking over the 337 torch for you.  Someone got to do it.

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MUCH is a very relative term and not quantifiable but I am glad you feel so.  Wait, feeling is also relative.  Nvm.  biggrin.gif

Glad Xenophon is taking over the 337 torch for you.  Someone got to do it.
Dude..i knew that when i say something etremely good about that 337 u or that other dude start saying its all relative, and trying to push it into the 'bragging about' corner or something....well..its not.. I had that amp and heard lots more expensive headphone amps..and only this amp that i have now really is better by a huge margin.. But as u know..i paid for that quality wink.gif

But the hard truth is that if u wanna better that amp (with the right tubes) big time with a he500 u have to invest big.. Thats not relative..its a fact..and if u ever listen to a 337 or 339 on a he500 u will find out urself.

and if u read up on xenophon trying out high end tube speaker amps and saying and i almost quote him: those amps are better..but not by big margin..so that means this 337 punches big time..and reading that i have a feeling the wa22 could be crying out if it would go one on one with that particular modded 337 with a he500... And that amp goes almost 4times the price of a 337.

But pls..as u say..its all relative...and its ofcourse my opinion...u dont need to believe it..even if u never ever heard that amp or any 337/339 amp for that matter...if u dont believe its not as good as we say so..its ur right, as yeah its all relative biggrin.gif

And xenophon doesnt need to to take over the torch..no need to..its a good amp..period...am just glad my amp went to the right person..

Maybe u should buy one also? Its cheap..And i understand the 337 does well with the hd800 and he500...so u can sell ur wa22 then and keep some money in ur pocket then and use it on both ur phones biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 4/7/14 at 2:30am
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^ good idea but not going to happen.  No need for another 337 testifier in this thread.  2 is already plenty.  My Fiio 09K also sounds exceptional with HD800 by the way.  You should try it if you end up with HD800 someday. :D  I just love getting a page long back from you. :p

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