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Originally Posted by ieee754 View Post
 

Looks like O2 could output about 500-600mW at 38ohms. If 1W is optimal for HE-500, then in theory I could get only 3dB queiter than that with O2, because double power equals to double sound intensity, which is 3dB difference.

 

If I will feel that O2 is not sufficient, how much would I have to spend on transparent solid-state amp that could power these (and maybe also even more power hungry headphones like HE-6)? I could chain it with my O2 to reuse ODAC.

Your reasoning is correct but it's not just as simple as volume output.  You can get the 500 and even the 6 louder than what your ears can take with an O2.  But quality won't be good.  Every amp is a compromise and pricing is all across the board, as is sound preference.  Set yourself a budget and then audition, audition, audition is the best advice I can give.  For some people a low end Emotiva will be 'good enough', others end up with a >10k DAC/amp combo.  Diminishing returns apply fiercely and it will primarily be your finances that determine how much those last couple % are worth.

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The HE-500s have been with me a long time and that is through hearing pretty much every other planar there is(albeit briefly) alpha dogs, mad dogs, lcd2.2,3,X. HE-5LE. The 500s are still my favorite, though I have been wondering about upgrading to an LCDX or HE-6 or HE-560, the 560 being the most likely candidate. The 500s do so many things well, and they make me smile the same way I smile when I listen to the symphony live. Comfort can be improved with better pads, also the sonics can be modified that way to your tastes, as well as modding the cans is easy. To have a can that is just as good with rock as classical with a mostly neutral balance is what truly impresses me about the 500s. 

Unrelated, has anyone heard a current amplifier with the 500s/he-6? Something like the First Watt f1 or f4? Or for that matter what the maximum power handling of the 500 is? The F1 seems like it would be underpowered and the F4 in SE would be fine but in dual balanced mode with two would be too much at 100W at 8ohms. Granted such a setup would cost $4400 to have haha, just curious as it could always be used for a speaker setup as well. 
I believe my friend xenophon has experience with a firstwatt amp and his he500 and his he6.. Ask him. wink.gif

Oops..i saw he already did..AND I agree WITH HIM on That the 337 he has makes the he500 sound glorious..not a word of that is lied upon..sometimes i think about the beautiful glow of those 4 tubes at night, sticking out between those 2 huge powersupply bulges, glowing softly..while the music in ur ears take u to another place..u almost automatically close ur eyes....yes..xenophon made a deal of the century buying that amp for the price he did...

But am also glad he appreciate it as it should...as i did once... The others who were doubtful...u missed out on a very unique buy..damn..i am talking as if its mine..u see..that amp still has that impact on me...for the he500 i never heard a better amp..with the tubes xenophon also has...

But am curious how the firstwatt will do with the he6... So keep me informed buddy...and still interested in a cup of coffee on neutral grounds? Lolz

Am now watching 'need for speed' the movie..damn..as if i am again playing the game..lolz. Cool movie if ur into hyper cars..or just raw speed!
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/23/14 at 4:35pm
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I believe my friend xenophon has experience with a firstwatt amp and his he500 and his he6.. Ask him. wink.gif

Oops..i saw he already did..AND I agree WITH HIM on That the 337 he has makes the he500 sound glorious..not a word of that is lied upon..sometimes i think about the beautiful glow of those 4 tubes at night, sticking out between those 2 huge powersupply bulges, glowing softly..while the music in ur ears take u to another place..u almost automatically close ur eyes....yes..xenophon made a deal of the century buying that amp for the price he did...

But am also glad he appreciate it as it should...as i did once... The others who were doubtful...u missed out on a very unique buy..damn..i am talking as if its mine..u see..that amp still has that impact on me...for the he500 i never heard a better amp..with the tubes xenophon also has...

But am curious how the firstwatt will do with the he6... So keep me informed buddy...and still interested in a cup of coffee on neutral grounds? Lolz

Am now watching 'need for speed' the movie..damn..as if i am again playing the game..lolz. Cool movie if ur into hyper cars..or just raw speed!

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At least that's easy to do with ellipses. Line breaks are a whole different beast.

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Yup. Now, someone hand me their lcd-2.2 rosewood. Pls. :P

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Xenophon, thanks for the thorough response, I was going to run the f4 from the mjolnir which at 18 gain and 45v seemed enough, though I'll look at the f1 and f3.

So give it to me straight, what advantages does a well driven he6 offer over the 500?

And hifirookie, I'm sure the 337 is amazing but I prefer solid state, your blue circle is more to my taste
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Xenophon, thanks for the thorough response, I was going to run the f4 from the mjolnir which at 18 gain and 45v seemed enough, though I'll look at the f1 and f3.

So give it to me straight, what advantages does a well driven he6 offer over the 500?

And hifirookie, I'm sure the 337 is amazing but I prefer solid state, your blue circle is more to my taste

No worries..tube is not to everyones taste...but that amp is rather non tubey sounding compared to other tube amps..but its still warmer then a solid state amp wink.gif

Blue circle also has an affordable (around 1200usd) solid state headphone amp to drive a he500 (and can be upgraded for some headroom to spare). wink.gif

And talking about he6.. U guys know there is a code-x on sale right? Because of personal reasons one of the 20 owners is selling his..its a brown woody..not black woody like mine...its said its better then a he6 or lcd3.. And comes close the the soundstage of the hd800... I have one..being driven by my PaG.. And i can tell ya..u have to listen to it to believe it...u will be owning a very rare phone (they are extremely modded NOS he-5's)... I understand he asks 1250usd for it..check the code-x thread for more info..am just trying to help out a fellow headfi'er..
For ideas how it looks..but in brown ofcourse..check my pics... cool.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/23/14 at 7:10pm
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For that amount of SS amp cash I can't wait to see what Garage1217's upcoming SS amp sounds like... And below $300 perhaps as well?!?
post #13179 of 16548
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post

Xenophon, thanks for the thorough response, I was going to run the f4 from the mjolnir which at 18 gain and 45v seemed enough, though I'll look at the f1 and f3.

So give it to me straight, what advantages does a well driven he6 offer over the 500?

And hifirookie, I'm sure the 337 is amazing but I prefer solid state, your blue circle is more to my taste

Short and sweet: significantly more clarity, more resolution and a better soundstage. Also perfectly neutral (500 have a slightly advanced midrange and sound a bit on the warm side).

 

Flipside:  absolutely unforgiving regarding source quality (depends also on the amp of course):  Garbage in will get you garbage out any day, the 500 are more forgiving.

 

For the Firstwatt amps:  it'll be torture as he has a -ahem- somewhat verbose writing style but read Srajan Ebraen's reviews of those amps on 6moons.  He is to my knowledge the only reviewer who has heard ALL of them.  The F4 is said to sound a bit soft/mellow, F1 is ruthlessly neutral/energetic, F3 neutral but with a bit of warmth/musicality, F5 supposed to be between those.  Research this very well, especially if you'd decide to go with an F4, this amp seems like the most risky proposition to me (though I'm fascinated by it).  I'd strongly advise you to audition it first with the gear you're going to be using it with or to order one with an option of returning/swapping it out if you don't like it.  I'd never purchase that particular model blind.  All FirstWatt amps are highly specialised tools as I'm sure you're aware of.  Absolutely brilliant but the best knife in the world won't get you anywhere if you come to realise that what you actually need is a spoon.

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Only go for O2 with HE-500 if you're stuck for a little while because of budget. If you're looking for long term satisfaction with O2 + HE-500, don't do it. I used O2 as a stepping stone for a few months before getting Emotiva. Also, Audezes suck as well on O2. Denon's on the other hand are much better suited for O2.

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How many of you have woodied HE-500s? I know a user on here makes cups (MunkeyNutz?) and I bet Martin Custom Audio could do it as well (I've seen him do the HE-6). I know it's purely aesthetic, but I was going to get my D2k's done as well. Post pics if possible!

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I have been using the HE-500s with the Bottlehead Mainline for a few weeks now, but went back to the slightly less refined, but more powerful Bottlehead S.E.X. today with surprising results. While the Mainline is probably technically superior, the HE-500 + S.E.X. combo is wildly enjoyable and kept the Mainline and beyer T1s "on the shelf" for the whole afternoon!!

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

I have been using the HE-500s with the Bottlehead Mainline for a few weeks now, but went back to the slightly less refined, but more powerful Bottlehead S.E.X. today with surprising results. While the Mainline is probably technically superior, the HE-500 + S.E.X. combo is wildly enjoyable and kept the Mainline and beyer T1s "on the shelf" for the whole afternoon!!

Nice! Can't wait to properly compare the T1 with the HE-500. I just got the HE-500 but I already want a HE-560 lol. Easier to drive and brighter sounds good to me. 

post #13184 of 16548
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Originally Posted by TooPoor View Post
 

How many of you have woodied HE-500s? I know a user on here makes cups (MunkeyNutz?) and I bet Martin Custom Audio could do it as well (I've seen him do the HE-6). I know it's purely aesthetic, but I was going to get my D2k's done as well. Post pics if possible!

I think there are only 2-3 out there that are completed, one I know being from MCA (they were also measured, you can find the post on his blog site somewhere) but yes, the consensus is that it doesn't really alter the sound (maybe a tad).  I have a pair of cups from MunkyNutz but that project is long delayed due to busy schedule :o Here are some pics of the pair Martin did:

 

http://www.martincustomaudio.com/2013/01/walnut-burl-hifiman-he-500s.html

post #13185 of 16548
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Originally Posted by ieee754 View Post
 

If I will feel that O2 is not sufficient, how much would I have to spend on transparent solid-state amp that could power these (and maybe also even more power hungry headphones like HE-6)? I could chain it with my O2 to reuse ODAC.

 

Good european amp alternatives could be Lake people g109 (409 € at Thomann) and Meier Audio Corda Classic (normally 595€ inside EU, 515€//705 USD outside EU, now on sale at Meier Audio with a 75€/105 USD discount). These prices include p&p. Both are neutral and transparent solid-state amps having enough power to drive he500. If I remember correct, g109 produces about 2 W max output and Classic about 3 W when listening a 38 ohm HP like he500. Classic has also a crossfeed function. Some owners of the Corda Classic have used it with HE-6 and think that it has enough power to drive them.

 

I own a Corda Classic and he500 myself and have been very pleased with this combo.

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