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A lot of people (myself included) find the HE-500 to be quite an upgrade over the HD6X0s. The HD800s are a clear step up though in terms of technicality. 

post #13022 of 14659
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post
 

I have been an owner of HE500 for about 1 year. I never regard this headphone as outstanding headphone that can  blew me away esp when I found my endgame for both my HD600 and even my HD800.  When I put it on, I just hear sound .Impressive details and soundstage and warmish sound to me. It never touches my soul. It may touch my heart for certain song but I know it is just not good enough. I even call this headphone as a joke in HD600 forum . In fact has been so lightly used and was laying somewhere in my house for the past few months.

 

 Why I keep this headphone? Hmm there is 2 guys claiming what they heard so amazing music in HE500 First is Dubsteb girl & second  Hifimanrookie.  Dubsteb gal claim that one amp has driven HE500 up t a point it sound like thoudsands dollar cans & i think why she keep it . For her to keep this can excites me because i really believe she wrote. Hifiman rookie, well this guy is not a rookie to me.  I think they both really really really like music and want to find an end game rig. Not sure they are audiophile or not. Sorry guys. One thing I do know, they wanted a rig that moves them.

 

I then been asking in some forums on how to improve my lyr to  drive my HE500. Then I notice 2 guys  said that powercords can really change the performance of lyr provided you have a real good powerline or conditioner. I got to my shifu to make me a powercord made from special factory grade wire  (silver + copper)  like the fusion. Based on what Hifiman rookie claim , HE500 needs really good electricity and I do have a dedicated DIY powerline for my rig which consumes 500 watts of electricity. I know it is not cost effective but my aim is to be in audio nirvana when listening to music.

 

Now, my HE500 sings with  emotion .Love it . It colored the sound but I love it. I always like to watch” the voice” and I need to feel the music as the coach did. The coach will express themselves and I really need to feel just like them to justify my rig performance.  It is really hard when I have an endgame HD800 rig  as my benchmark. HD800 really shines when I played video - Lorde singing David letterman show. With Hd800,  I know why  Lorde won the best pop solo performance for her song Royal in the  2014 academy award. The way every crevices of her voice move up & down like a tidal of sea waves reacted to the movement her whole body is perfectly making sense. It feels that that that is no way she can deliver the song without such movement. Everything about her movement & her voice delivering the song Royals is synchronized perfectly in the video. Nothing should be changed-period

 

Was it as good as my HD800 or HD600. Not yet. These 2 cans have really push my emotion up to a point I can literally have tears tricking my eyes. I have spend month of tweaking these cans . However,  I don’t consider HE500  as joke no more.  I believe it can be tweaked a little bit more and really be one of the awesome cans in my rigs. I completely agree with Hifirookie on the fact that HE500 needs good amount  electricity to shine. They need a pure class A  amp no doubt.

That's one hell of a way to describe your journey with them, I'll give you that :D

post #13023 of 14659
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Originally Posted by RebelRising View Post
 

That's one hell of a way to describe your journey with them, I'll give you that :D

 

  i just wrote what is in my heart and i think it is important for some people  to appreciate music in

  difference perspective

  In my head fi journey , it is not what wow me but  what moves me is important..

  What wow me can deceive me as it can gradually recede as time goes by.;)

post #13024 of 14659
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post

I have been an owner of HE500 for about 1 year. I never regard this headphone as outstanding headphone that can  blew me away esp when I found my endgame for both my HD600 and even my HD800.  When I put it on, I just hear sound .Impressive details and soundstage and warmish sound to me. It never touches my soul. It may touch my heart for certain song but I know it is just not good enough. I even call this headphone as a joke in HD600 forum . In fact has been so lightly used and was laying somewhere in my house for the past few months.

 Why I keep this headphone? Hmm there is 2 guys claiming what they heard so amazing music in HE500 First is Dubsteb girl & second  Hifimanrookie.  Dubsteb gal claim that one amp has driven HE500 up t a point it sound like thoudsands dollar cans & i think why she keep it . For her to keep this can excites me because i really believe she wrote. Hifiman rookie, well this guy is not a rookie to me.  I think they both really really really like music and want to find an end game rig. Not sure they are audiophile or not. Sorry guys. One thing I do know, they wanted a rig that moves them.

I then been asking in some forums on how to improve my lyr to  drive my HE500. Then I notice 2 guys  said that powercords can really change the performance of lyr provided you have a real good powerline or conditioner. I got to my shifu to make me a powercord made from special factory grade wire  (silver + copper)  like the fusion. Based on what Hifiman rookie claim , HE500 needs really good electricity and I do have a dedicated DIY powerline for my rig which consumes 500 watts of electricity. I know it is not cost effective but my aim is to be in audio nirvana when listening to music.

Now, my HE500 sings with  emotion .Love it . It colored the sound but I love it. I always like to watch” the voice” and I need to feel the music as the coach did. The coach will express themselves and I really need to feel just like them to justify my rig performance.  It is really hard when I have an endgame HD800 rig  as my benchmark. HD800 really shines when I played video - Lorde singing David letterman show. With Hd800,  I know why  Lorde won the best pop solo performance for her song Royal in the  2014 academy award. The way every crevices of her voice move up & down like a tidal of sea waves reacted to the movement her whole body is perfectly making sense. It feels that that that is no way she can deliver the song without such movement. Everything about her movement & her voice delivering the song Royals is synchronized perfectly in the video. Nothing should be changed-period

Was it as good as my HD800 or HD600. Not yet. These 2 cans have really push my emotion up to a point I can literally have tears tricking my eyes. I have spend month of tweaking these cans . However,  I don’t consider HE500  as joke no more.  I believe it can be tweaked a little bit more and really be one of the awesome cans in my rigs. I completely agree with Hifirookie on the fact that HE500 needs good amount  electricity to shine. They need a pure class A  amp no doubt.

A very big WOW for this
HE 500 sounds very very good with my 130 watt class A speaker amp
post #13025 of 14659
Yes, they scale up nicely with extra power and the 500 is less sensitive to high gain amps that can produce hiss. What amp are you using? Resistor network to the speaker taps or mainline straight to the cans?
post #13026 of 14659
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Originally Posted by wewewho77 View Post


A very big WOW for this
HE 500 sounds very very good with my 130 watt class A speaker amp

What amp are you running ?

post #13027 of 14659
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post
 

 

  i just wrote what is in my heart and i think it is important for some people  to appreciate music in

  difference perspective

  In my head fi journey , it is not what wow me but  what moves me is important..

  What wow me can deceive me as it can gradually recede as time goes by.;)

 

+7

post #13028 of 14659
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post
 

 

  i just wrote what is in my heart and i think it is important for some people  to appreciate music in

  difference perspective

  In my head fi journey , it is not what wow me but  what moves me is important..

  What wow me can deceive me as it can gradually recede as time goes by.;)

 

I definitely appreciate the point being made here, but after listening to any of the headphones mentioned, I can acclimate enough to be moved by the underlying music.  So to enhance the experience more, we have wow factor.  I think wow factor and emotional involvement can be intertwined.

 

And the answer to the point of wow factor decreasing with continued use?  Just rotate between headphones every (few days/ week/ weeks/ month) and re-experience the wow.

post #13029 of 14659
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Originally Posted by richbass View Post

What amp are you running ?
A Musical Fidelity A3.2 power amplifier with 10 ohm 10 watts paralel across the speaker taps.
I hear more punch and presence down low, more dynamic than from my Vio V200 on the relative same volume level.
I use Audiolab MDAC between my Marantz CD player and amp that control the volume.
Edited by wewewho77 - 3/15/14 at 9:37am
post #13030 of 14659
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

 

I definitely appreciate the point being made here, but after listening to any of the headphones mentioned, I can acclimate enough to be moved by the underlying music.  So to enhance the experience more, we have wow factor.  I think wow factor and emotional involvement can be intertwined.

 

And the answer to the point of wow factor decreasing with continued use?  Just rotate between headphones every (few days/ week/ weeks/ month) and re-experience the wow.

 

+1

 

I go from HE-500s (finely, and finally, tweaked to perfection) to Q701s and occasionally SR-225s and K550s.  They're all different, with the first two being the best.  Going back to the HE-500s always wows me, and I'm instantly pulled into whatever's playing (different music producing different emotions, of course).  Going to Q701s, I'm always impressed with their technical abilities, esp. given their price.  I've done two acoustic mods that have tweaked them to my preferences, without sacrificing too much of what they're known for, but ameliorating certain sonic deficiencies.  They don't wow me like the HE-500s, but as BobJS notes, oen can acclimate to them, and then you stop listening to the cans and start listening to the music.

 

There is a time when listening to the cans is important: when modding.  And when doing various comparisons in general.  I liken this state of mind to those fun visual trick illustrations, like the outline of a cube (simple one), or the "face" shot that can be seen as a profile or a frontal pic.  With practice, one can tune their brain to switch back and forth between the two.  So, even when testing a mod, one can listen to the cans, then the music, then the cans... etc.

post #13031 of 14659

Re: HD650 vs. HE-500 >> Here is a little review I did for a Head-fi member who had asked me to do comp write-up. The question was which one was the better overall headphone. My reply follows:

 

That's a tough question. For a dynamic phone, the HD650 scales up incredibly well. After several experiments I am driving mine using a vintage Onkyo receiver (fantastic synergy).

 

With decent amping the HE-500 is hard to beat. In my experiments there are very few TRS outs that are capable of doing the HE-500 justice. Regardless of the debates on the forum my recommendation for anyone owning an HE-500 is to drive it using the speaker outs of a decent amp. The amp doesn't have to output tons of power, 5 to 8 watts @ 38 ohms is more than adequate. In terms of speaker amps that translates to roughly 24 to 38 watts @ 8 ohms. Vintage amps tend to be in this range hence their popularity (among other things like the way they do analog sound).

 

Okay, so which is the better headphone overall -- the Hifiman HE-500. It just does music right. Sometimes with the HD650 you get the sense that its interpretation is not quite right, even when it's sounding fantastic. But for easing back and simply relaxing without analyzing the music the HD650 wins. This is also because of the comfort level of the HD650 where it is way ahead of the HE-500. If the HE-500 had the comfort of the HD650 it would be my all-the-time favorite headphone.

 

So here is how I would scale the phones (out of 10).

 

Sound / Overall tone / Presentation:

HE-500 - 10 points (simply outstanding)

HD650 - 8.5 sometimes reaching 9

 

Comfort (forget it's on your head factor):

HE-500 - 7.5 maybe 8

HD650 - 9 to 9.5 (excellent design)

 

Chilling / Easing back / Go to sleep time:

HE-500 - 7

HD650 - 9.5 to 10

 

Value retention over time:

HE-500 - 8.5 to 9.5

HD650 - 6.5 to 8

 

I highlighted those qualities because they are what's important for me. As you can tell these headphones complement each other nicely.

 

So the kicker - if I had to keep only one, which would I keep? For serious minded traversing of musical soundscapes - only one answer - I would keep the HE-500.

post #13032 of 14659
I think a more valid comparision is between two rigs: He500+Emotiva vs HD650+Crack With Speedball. Both cost around $700. If anyone here have both setups or have heard before, give me some thoughts. Both are probably one of the very best setups under $800 that do not cost an arm and a leg, performce exceed many more expensive setups.
post #13033 of 14659
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Originally Posted by benjaminhuypham View Post

I think a more valid comparision is between two rigs: He500+Emotiva vs HD650+Crack With Speedball. Both cost around $700. If anyone here have both setups or have heard before, give me some thoughts. Both are probably one of the very best setups under $800 that do not cost an arm and a leg, performce exceed many more expensive setups.
I own both setups and have commented a few times in this thread already on some of the differences. Ultimately it comes down to what kind of music youre listening to. One setup excels at some and the other at some others. Thats why I have both (and another setup for other types of music that I feel neither of these two do as well).
post #13034 of 14659
Just a quickie...

For the ones interested..i hope to have the initial listening impressions about my amp up and running tomorrow evening...as it has now about 100hrs playing time...by long not the advised full burn-in time of 1 month non-stop play time... But its a start right? biggrin.gif

And an update on my rig..i just placed an order for another upgrade again..check my sigature and u will, once again, read an 'awaiting'. biggrin.gif

Damn my wallet is really cursing at me now!!! biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/15/14 at 8:19pm
post #13035 of 14659
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Just a quickie...

For the ones interested..i hope to have the initial listening impressions about my amp up and running tomorrow evening...as it has now about 100hrs playing time...by long not the advised full burn-in time of 1 month non-stop play time... But its a start right? biggrin.gif

And an update on my rig..i just placed an order for another upgrade again..check my sigature and u will, once again, read an 'awaiting'. biggrin.gif

Damn my wallet is really cursing at me now!!! biggrin.gif

 

You so crazy!  Where's your thread for your new amp (or amp + exclusive cans)?  Enquiring Minds Need To Know!  ;)

 

Hope you're enjoying the combo.  Seriously, I'd be shocked if you didn't spend an outrageous amount on a cable.

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