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^^^^   This is the same exact experience I had in my transition from the hd650 to the he500. 

 

Your impressions are spot on.  I couldn't agree with them more

post #1292 of 18029

These headphones are so amazing, I'm having to force myself to go to bed.  They make me want to listen to just one more album...  lol  The HE-500 have handled any type of music I've thrown at them with ease.  I think this would make a great all around headphone for just about anyone.

 

I'm officially a Hifiman fan now! biggrin.gif

post #1293 of 18029

Good news: HE500 are in and sound great. Bass is just perfect (any more and its too much. good thing I didnt go for LCD2) but a little shy on the treble. I'll change the pads to velour (its going to be hot summer anyway) and burn the headphones in to see if they open up a bit. That and try to get used to the new sound, HE5 was VERY treble heavy. *edit* A quick fix for for the treble is to turn on 192khz resampler in my DA100 dac, it does brighten the sound eenyweeny bit. I dont like the idea of using resamplers though. *edit* Yeah, velour pads helped a bit. Not a huge chance, but its there.

 

Bad news: Cable was faulty out of the box, they cannot be installed properly. The nutscrew on left cable is loose, it pops out of the cable when I try to screw it to the headphone properly. I had to leave it very loose. There is sound but it can fall of anytime and rattles when I move my head. Epic fail Hifiman!

 

What happened to cables that HE5 used? That cable was sturdy and good, well built! Yes, a bit thick but anyone who says it is somehow a hinderance to listening experience should get a reality check. Anyway, the HE500 cable feels cheap and flimsy just like SA5000 one. Have to contact the reseller if I can get the cable changed somehow without sending the whole headphone since I can and WILL start to use HE5 cable.

 

*edit* Damn, 20hz-60hz Sine sweep is audibly right from the bottom without roll of. Incredible from open headphone.

 

 

*edit2* I was contacted and cable is getting changed. That was fast. :)


Edited by MaZa - 5/15/12 at 6:31am
post #1294 of 18029
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*edit* Damn, 20hz-60hz Sine sweep is audibly right from the bottom without roll of. Incredible from open headphone.

 

 

"For an open headphone".  What do you mean?  I think open headphones usually always outperform closed headphones in sub-bass, and closed headphones have the bass/upper-bass/lower-mids hump seen on many, many closed headphone frequency response graphs.  The only closed headphone I have listened to that can reach as low (haven't heard THAT many closed headphones though) is the modified T50RP and maybe the DT1350 (but that's because the DT1350 has slightly overemphasized bass anyways).

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Good news: HE500 are in and sound great. Bass is just perfect (any more and its too much. good thing I didnt go for LCD2)

 

I agree, the bass is amazing on these.  Classical sounds perfect and the bass is not present unless called upon.  Listen to some R&B or Hip Hop and they become tight bass monsters while still keeping the mids and treble clean.

 

I found the Velour's soundstage is a touch more open and the mids a bit fuller, highs are a touch more present as well.

The Pleather pads seem to have more bass definition with a bit more slam and the soundstage shrinks just a hair.

post #1296 of 18029
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Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

 

"For an open headphone".  What do you mean?  I think open headphones usually always outperform closed headphones in sub-bass, and closed headphones have the bass/upper-bass/lower-mids hump seen on many, many closed headphone frequency response graphs.  The only closed headphone I have listened to that can reach as low (haven't heard THAT many closed headphones though) is the modified T50RP and maybe the DT1350 (but that's because the DT1350 has slightly overemphasized bass anyways).

 

 

My experience tells me otherwise and I have heard a million of open ones (look at my profile). Open headphones tend to suck at subbass, 20hz-50hz region, and use midbass to compensate that. Subbass may be audible but it is so weak that it doesnt do much for the music. Everything gets leaked out. DT990 for example was not particularly impressive with subbass. With closed headphones the sound is all reflected into your ears (for good and bad). DT770 Pro 80 and Ultrasone Proline 750 which I own have a really guttural subbass and Ultrasone actually has quite mellow mid-upper bass so the bass doesnt "bloom", its all deep rumble.

 

I admit my experience with closed headphones is limited and both above are known for their bass, former for overall strong and loud bass and latter for just having a deep guttural one. But amongst open headphones bass has always been something that I have found lacking.


Edited by MaZa - 5/15/12 at 11:02am
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I agree, the bass is amazing on these.  Classical sounds perfect and the bass is not present unless called upon.  Listen to some R&B or Hip Hop and they become tight bass monsters while still keeping the mids and treble clean.

 

I found the Velour's soundstage is a touch more open and the mids a bit fuller, highs are a touch more present as well.

The Pleather pads seem to have more bass definition with a bit more slam and the soundstage shrinks just a hair.

 

 

 

Yeah, I am really loving the bass and midrange on these. So far the only downside with this headphone is bit recessed upper midrange/lower treble, 2-4khz region, sucking some power and bite out of the distorted electric guitars, giving the sound an impression like its holding back its true potential or something, so to speak. You know, the region which Grados tend to (over)emphasize and reason why some (yours truly included) love them for rock and metal. Anyway surprisingly my HD600 offers more clarity and bite in this region than HE500 does. That said these headphones still sing beautifully. And interestingly albums that already have this region boosted up sound perfect, without sibilance and plasticky sound that comes with bright headphones when listening those albums.

 

I guess HE5 does not leave this house, it will still have its use on really murky sounding CDs.


Edited by MaZa - 5/15/12 at 11:45am
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My experience tells me otherwise and I have heard a million of open ones (look at my profile). Open headphones tend to suck at subbass, 20hz-50hz region, and use midbass to compensate that. Subbass may be audible but it is so weak that it doesnt do much for the music. Everything gets leaked out. DT990 for example was not particularly impressive with subbass. With closed headphones the sound is all reflected into your ears (for good and bad). DT770 Pro 80 and Ultrasone Proline 750 which I own have a really guttural subbass and Ultrasone actually has quite mellow mid-upper bass so the bass doesnt "bloom", its all deep rumble.

 

As I understand this, and please correct me if I am wrong here, it is not possible to reflect such low frequencies from the headphone’s cup, due to very long wavelength. It is possible, thought, theoretically, to boost low frequencies (even below 50Hz) by mechanical resonance (not of the air cavity) but of the mechanical system consisting of the driver (magnet included) – the suspension – the air ‘spring’. The same effect is used to ‘boost’ low frequencies on some closed box loudspeakers (acoustic suspension). I guess you meant this effect when you mention that closed cans boost low frequencies.

 

Personally, I do not really think that any headphone will care to boost such low frequencies, it will probably choose to boost frequencies around 80Hz, but I may be wrong.

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As I understand this, and please correct me if I am wrong here, it is not possible to reflect such low frequencies from the headphone’s cup, due to very long wavelength. It is possible, thought, theoretically, to boost low frequencies (even below 50Hz) by mechanical resonance (not of the air cavity) but of the mechanical system consisting of the driver (magnet included) – the suspension – the air ‘spring’. The same effect is used to ‘boost’ low frequencies on some closed box loudspeakers (acoustic suspension). I guess you meant this effect when you mention that closed cans boost low frequencies.

 

Personally, I do not really think that any headphone will care to boost such low frequencies, it will probably choose to boost frequencies around 80Hz, but I may be wrong.

 

 

Possibly. I really am not a tech expert, just making assumptions out of experience, assuming that it may be easier for closed headphones to have strong subbass due to closed design. So far in case of open dynamic headphones that I have heard had subbass that was weak and overshadowed by rest of the music, bass didnt have that mild "breathing" sound deep down even with midbass heavy opens like DT990 (and Im not even basshead). This has not been the case with closed ones that I have heard so far, and neither has been with HE-5 and HE-500.


Edited by MaZa - 5/15/12 at 1:24pm
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Yeah, I am really loving the bass and midrange on these. So far the only downside with this headphone is bit recessed upper midrange/lower treble, 2-4khz region, sucking some power and bite out of the distorted electric guitars, giving the sound an impression like its holding back its true potential or something, so to speak. You know, the region which Grados tend to (over)emphasize and reason why some (yours truly included) love them for rock and metal. Anyway surprisingly my HD600 offers more clarity and bite in this region than HE500 does. That said these headphones still sing beautifully. And interestingly albums that already have this region boosted up sound perfect, without sibilance and plasticky sound that comes with bright headphones when listening those albums.

 

I guess HE5 does not leave this house, it will still have its use on really murky sounding CDs.

 

I'm kind of thinking that's because the HD600 has a 2-4kHz spike.

 

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post #1301 of 18029
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Originally Posted by wdahm519 View Post

 

I'm kind of thinking that's because the HD600 has a 2-4kHz spike.

 

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Indeed. Mystery solved.

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3241&graphID[]=573&graphID[]=373

 

With Grado added for comparison. :) That is the region that I am used to hearing strongly (or maybe I have hearing damage in that region?) and thats what gives "buzzsaw" guitars that aggressive sound they have when played in real life, sorely missing in HE500 unless recording is upper midrange/treble heavy to begin with.

 

*edit* Problem was helped with Foobar EQ, 1 notch for 3.5khz and 2 notches for 5khz. Not perfect, but atleast I know what to tinker with. Though I considering EQ cheating but whatever.


Edited by MaZa - 5/15/12 at 1:53pm
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Even the HD800 seems about the same around the 2 - 4 kHz region.

 

 

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Even the HD800 seems about the same around the 2 - 4 kHz region.

 

 

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Yeah, though notice that the spiky range is concentrated on in different area. HE500 its at 10khz, where HD800 its lower in the "presence region". Hard to tell from these graphs exactly, but HD800 seems to keep building up from the 3khz up 7khz and then it falls steadily. HE500 stays low at 3-7khz before spiking up at 10khz.

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I am slowly but surely getting used to the new sound signature. Its odd to hear same details (and actually more aswell) in more relaxed fashion. There is just one thing where this headphone doesnt cut it, movies with CMSS3D-Headphone surround virtualizer on. Effect that tries to turn multichannel audio into binaural. It does good job with it but as a side effect it muffles audio and combined with HE500s warmish sound its just too much, speech clarity is bad. Bright headphones is pretty much a must to counter this. Games with same virtualizer I havent tried yet, thats what I am going to test tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by MaZa View Post

I am slowly but surely getting used to the new sound signature. Its odd to hear same details (and actually more aswell) in more relaxed fashion. There is just one thing where this headphone doesnt cut it, movies with CMSS3D-Headphone surround virtualizer on. Effect that tries to turn multichannel audio into binaural. It does good job with it but as a side effect it muffles audio and combined with HE500s warmish sound its just too much, speech clarity is bad. Bright headphones is pretty much a must to counter this. Games with same virtualizer I havent tried yet, thats what I am going to test tomorrow.

 

I've watched the Matrix trilogy which was re-released in Blu-Ray 1080p and 5.1 Surround through my HE-500's.  With no surround virtualizers it sounded just fine.  Obviously not as 5.1/7.1 as my 7.1 Surround which is not an impressive speaker set up (mid-grade consumer speakers) but it was extremely passable and enjoyable to watch the movie that way.  I used to watch a lot of movies with headphones about one or two years ago, using headphones like the AD700 or the DT990.  I like the HE-500 for movies all the same.

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