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post #12811 of 14282
Thanks for the recommendation guys! HE-6 or HD-800, that is the question..
post #12812 of 14282

I've hit a conundrum. I love my desktop rig so much, and the HE-500s sound so good, that I have realized immediately I need to upgrade my IEMs stat, my old ass cx300s just don't cut it, I realized a while ago that I simply don't listen to IEMs anymore, which is a shame considering I could be utilizing them a lot. The conundrum comes in do I get a cheap set now(ety kids or similar) and upgrade to a CIEM, or go for a decent IEM now(hf5 or re-400). I just think that even the hf5 or re-400 or similar is still going to leave a lot to be desired, so I feel like it would be a waste if I shelved them so quickly. The third option is brace my wallet and just go for a nice universal or custom right now.

 

So, suggestions? What are you guys using for portable to scratch the itch when the HE-500 isn't appropriate?

post #12813 of 14282
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post
 

I've hit a conundrum. I love my desktop rig so much, and the HE-500s sound so good, that I have realized immediately I need to upgrade my IEMs stat, my old ass cx300s just don't cut it, I realized a while ago that I simply don't listen to IEMs anymore, which is a shame considering I could be utilizing them a lot. The conundrum comes in do I get a cheap set now(ety kids or similar) and upgrade to a CIEM, or go for a decent IEM now(hf5 or re-400). I just think that even the hf5 or re-400 or similar is still going to leave a lot to be desired, so I feel like it would be a waste if I shelved them so quickly. The third option is brace my wallet and just go for a nice universal or custom right now.

 

So, suggestions? What are you guys using for portable to scratch the itch when the HE-500 isn't appropriate?


Soon, the Martin Logan Mikros 90 and maybe the RE-400

post #12814 of 14282
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Thanks for the recommendation guys! HE-6 or HD-800, that is the question..

Well, I own both.  For me (classical music) it's the HE-6 as I said, with the notable exception of large orchestral works, there nothing can beat the HD-800 for its soundstage.  Disadvantages (imo) of the 800 over the hifiman: more expensive (the cans themselves), easier power requirements but very finicky as to which DAC/Amp combo they pair well with (bright sounding dac/amp + HD-800=torture) and absolutely unforgiving + imo a bit too analytical/detailed, it can take away the enjoyment of the music.  And treble on the hot side.  Those drawbacks can be negated to some extent if you hear them on a good tube amp but that comes at the expense of some resolution and clarity...horses for courses...  Give both a good audition with the type of music you prefer but make sure that you audition them with the amp you'll power them with, that's very important for both albeit for different reasons.  

 

Truth be told, unless you're into large orchestral works I think the HE-6 beat the HD-800 with all genres provided you power them well, I'm convinced that >90% of people who don't like the 6 do so because they've never heard them at their best.  Many amps will get sound out of them at decent volume but it takes a good, powerful amp to let them shine.

 

You've got your work cut out for you, enjoy the ride!

post #12815 of 14282
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Thanks for the recommendation guys! HE-6 or HD-800, that is the question..

Well, I own both.  For me (classical music) it's the HE-6 as I said, with the notable exception of large orchestral works, there nothing can beat the HD-800 for its soundstage.  Disadvantages (imo) of the 800 over the hifiman: more expensive (the cans themselves), easier power requirements but very finicky as to which DAC/Amp combo they pair well with (bright sounding dac/amp + HD-800=torture) and absolutely unforgiving + imo a bit too analytical/detailed, it can take away the enjoyment of the music.  And treble on the hot side.  Those drawbacks can be negated to some extent if you hear them on a good tube amp but that comes at the expense of some resolution and clarity...horses for courses...  Give both a good audition with the type of music you prefer but make sure that you audition them with the amp you'll power them with, that's very important for both albeit for different reasons.  

 

Truth be told, unless you're into large orchestral works I think the HE-6 beat the HD-800 with all genres provided you power them well, I'm convinced that >90% of people who don't like the 6 do so because they've never heard them at their best.  Many amps will get sound out of them at decent volume but it takes a good, powerful amp to let them shine.

 

You've got your work cut out for you, enjoy the ride!

 

Thank you! I will save up as much as I can before getting my own place and at that time the Jade 2 should be out as well, which I'd consider as contender.

I don't really think the new HE560 can be up there with the real big boys, but one might be surprised. 

Who knows, in the meantime an irresistible offer might turn up, it usually does ;). I am on the lookout for several headphones after all.

 

Somehow I am thinking shelving down the hd800 treble 3dB should negate some of the cons with too much treble, doesn't that work well?

Thinking about it, I'd be able to fetch $2-3k if I sold all my gear..

post #12816 of 14282

Frankly, I don't see the new HifiMan products blowing away the already existing ones in a big way either, I have the impression that most improvements will be in the area of ergonomics, looks....but with HifiMan you never know, they've surprised before.  

 

You can take down the treble of the HD-800 via EQ but personally -almost a philosophical point- I think that should be a last resort, the first objective should be to really get as close to the sound you want via just the headphones themselves (I'm  not a big fan of coloured DACS/Amps either, same reasoning:  the fewer variables in the equation, the better).  Also, EQ'ing sounds easy but it's not so, there are factors that are hard to control.  For instance, say you bring down 6.5 kHz by 3 dB. Fine and dandy, but those 3 dB are smeared out over an area around the frequency in question, else you 'd have too large a difference.  With some EQ's you can play around with this 'attenuation distribution' factor but getting it exactly right is no mean feat.

 

One thing's for sure though:   the HD-800, HE-6 and HE-500 are all great cans, each with their specific strong and weak points but I don't think you could go really radically, fundamentally wrong with one vs the other.  It's the difference between a BMW, Mercedes and Porsche, not between a Merc and a cheap Dodge model.

post #12817 of 14282
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post
 

I've hit a conundrum. I love my desktop rig so much, and the HE-500s sound so good, that I have realized immediately I need to upgrade my IEMs stat, my old ass cx300s just don't cut it, I realized a while ago that I simply don't listen to IEMs anymore, which is a shame considering I could be utilizing them a lot. The conundrum comes in do I get a cheap set now(ety kids or similar) and upgrade to a CIEM, or go for a decent IEM now(hf5 or re-400). I just think that even the hf5 or re-400 or similar is still going to leave a lot to be desired, so I feel like it would be a waste if I shelved them so quickly. The third option is brace my wallet and just go for a nice universal or custom right now.

 

So, suggestions? What are you guys using for portable to scratch the itch when the HE-500 isn't appropriate?

 

I'm extremely pleased with the Shure SE846, when I want HE-500 sound in a portable or on the move.  The best I've personally heard of all the IEMs I've tried if the price bracket suits you.

post #12818 of 14282
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

Frankly, I don't see the new HifiMan products blowing away the already existing ones in a big way either, I have the impression that most improvements will be in the area of ergonomics, looks....but with HifiMan you never know, they've surprised before.  

 

You can take down the treble of the HD-800 via EQ but personally -almost a philosophical point- I think that should be a last resort, the first objective should be to really get as close to the sound you want via just the headphones themselves (I'm  not a big fan of coloured DACS/Amps either, same reasoning:  the fewer variables in the equation, the better).  Also, EQ'ing sounds easy but it's not so, there are factors that are hard to control.  For instance, say you bring down 6.5 kHz by 3 dB. Fine and dandy, but those 3 dB are smeared out over an area around the frequency in question, else you 'd have too large a difference.  With some EQ's you can play around with this 'attenuation distribution' factor but getting it exactly right is no mean feat.

 

One thing's for sure though:   the HD-800, HE-6 and HE-500 are all great cans, each with their specific strong and weak points but I don't think you could go really radically, fundamentally wrong with one vs the other.  It's the difference between a BMW, Mercedes and Porsche, not between a Merc and a cheap Dodge model.

Anyone said parametric EQ..? I did :rolleyes:

I don't like EQ either tbh, but for such a simple correction, I'd gladly try it out.

post #12819 of 14282
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I have a question for y'all. If you look at the following picture, you will see at the bottom left on top of the inside magnet strip a fine white dust/powder. It's been there as long as I remember, but could this be a possible sign of overdriving the driver? Maybe some particles coming off of it? Or is it just something to not be concerned about? jerg, any ideas?


Wow...that's freaky!

 

Did you ever think that maybe each white dust particle is a tiny universe with even smaller, tiny little planets revolving around in there? ;)

 

:beerchug:

post #12820 of 14282

...Or maybe that's what happens when you don't use the grills.

post #12821 of 14282
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

I have a question for y'all. If you look at the following picture, you will see at the bottom left on top of the inside magnet strip a fine white dust/powder. It's been there as long as I remember, but could this be a possible sign of overdriving the driver? Maybe some particles coming off of it? Or is it just something to not be concerned about? jerg, any ideas?

Maybe you should have kept this to yourself. Someone from the DEA might own a pair of HE-500's.

post #12822 of 14282
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Wow...that's freaky!

 

Did you ever think that maybe each white dust particle is a tiny universe with even smaller, tiny little planets revolving around in there? ;)

 

:beerchug:

 

Who you callin' tiny, shorty?!

 

I come from one of those "tiny" universes.  I use the power of my HE-500s coupled to Nimzerez's HE-500s as a portal to your dimensions.  The irony is, unless Nimzerz gets AKG Q701 pads for his HE-500s, I may be stuck in this rather dull universe.  It's something to do with Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Tunneling.  Ask StanD about it, he's the EE.  And that lack of appropriate pads will cause me to bug him about those pads all the more.  Red grills also wouldn't hurt my chances.  I just wanna get home, man!

 

See, irony ;)   ... not to mention a bit of a Catch-22 for poor ol' Nimzerz :D

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Who you callin' tiny, shorty?!

 

I come from one of those "tiny" universes.  I use the power of my HE-500s coupled to Nimzerez's HE-500s as a portal to your dimensions.  The irony is, unless Nimzerz gets AKG Q701 pads for his HE-500s, I may be stuck in this rather dull universe.  It's something to do with Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Tunneling.  Ask StanD about it, he's the EE.  And that lack of appropriate pads will cause me to bug him about those pads all the more.  Red grills also wouldn't hurt my chances.  I just wanna get home, man!

 

See, irony ;)   ... not to mention a bit of a Catch-22 for poor ol' Nimzerz :D

THis is not a job for Major Major, more like a situation for Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. where you can have both pads on your cans at the same time while listening to them in the past.

post #12824 of 14282
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Who you callin' tiny, shorty?!

 

I come from one of those "tiny" universes.  I use the power of my HE-500s coupled to Nimzerez's HE-500s as a portal to your dimensions.  The irony is, unless Nimzerz gets AKG Q701 pads for his HE-500s, I may be stuck in this rather dull universe.  It's something to do with Quantum Entanglement and Quantum Tunneling.  Ask StanD about it, he's the EE.  And that lack of appropriate pads will cause me to bug him about those pads all the more.  Red grills also wouldn't hurt my chances.  I just wanna get home, man!

 

See, irony ;)   ... not to mention a bit of a Catch-22 for poor ol' Nimzerz :D


Quantum whaaaat?  I'm confused. Just tell me whether your tiny universe is in a frat boy's thumbnail or hanging around a cat's neck. That's all I need to know, Pinto. :D

 

:beerchug:

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Originally Posted by OldSkool View Post
 


Quantum whaaaat?  I'm confused. Just tell me whether your tiny universe is in a frat boy's thumbnail or hanging around a cat's neck. That's all I need to know, Pinto. :D

 

:beerchug:

If you want to understand Thurston, you will have to read "Slaughterhouse-Five" and watch "12 Monkeys."

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